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Iím Tired of Neo-Cons Being Tired of Conservatives (Rant alert)
Aw, Shucks southern News and Links ^ | 29 January 2004 | Jeff Adams

Posted on 02/02/2004 6:32:01 AM PST by robowombat

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To: Mr. Low Key
This is about National Security, and the WOT. We are in the battle of are lives, and this is no hyperbole. Kerry just said in a recent debate " Terrorism against this country has been completely over hyped" Is this who you want as CIC? If the eclectic, collective thought of the people who invest in our markets, thought we were heading in the wrong direction, it would tank so fast, your head would swim. President Bush has done a masterful job, and this is the reason he has chosen to inoculate himself, against the dim agenda. He needs a second term, the country needs him to have a second term, and no rat should be allowed to turn over the security of our nation to the traitorous U.N.
151 posted on 02/02/2004 9:04:21 AM PST by woodyinscc
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So what should be done?
153 posted on 02/02/2004 9:07:31 AM PST by Constantine XIII
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I was going to guess Franco Harris. :)

154 posted on 02/02/2004 9:08:38 AM PST by michigander
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To: Flyer
:-), I named it correctly doncha think?
155 posted on 02/02/2004 9:10:26 AM PST by MJY1288 (VOTE CONSTITUTION PARTY IF YOU WANT A DEMOCRAT)
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To: Daus
I heard we are going to use the NEA funding to document the history of Janet Jackson's nipple armor!

That's a Borg implant.
Retitstance is futile and all that. :)

156 posted on 02/02/2004 9:11:01 AM PST by michigander
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To: Mr. Low Key
We won't have that leverage after/if he wins Nov. 2.

You do not have to worry about President Bush's conservative "bona fides" When he gets a second term all things will start unfolding, if he does not get a second term, I will be looking for the mythical valley in Colo.

158 posted on 02/02/2004 9:20:02 AM PST by woodyinscc
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To: michigander
Retitstance is futile and all that. :)

:) But of course. Must have been a little buggy though... I heard the second half kick-off streaker was actually Janet as well. :)
159 posted on 02/02/2004 9:20:48 AM PST by Daus
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To: Mr. Low Key
"We won't have that leverage after/if he wins Nov. 2."

A point lost on many.

160 posted on 02/02/2004 9:21:16 AM PST by Ches ("old enough to remember when the air was clean and sex was dirty")
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To: Mr. Low Key
We won't have that leverage after/if he wins Nov. 2.

What leverage do you expect to have if he doesn't win?

161 posted on 02/02/2004 9:21:39 AM PST by EllaMinnow (If you want to send a message, call Western Union.)
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To: woodyinscc
Sorry about the HTML!! The preview button is your best friend.
162 posted on 02/02/2004 9:22:43 AM PST by woodyinscc
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To: MJY1288
This "slippery slope" logical fallacy your clique uses is getting very tiresome.
163 posted on 02/02/2004 9:23:42 AM PST by Doohickey (The ultimate paradigm of government is the public restroom)
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To: Mr. Low Key
Since you seem to sincere, I will post some of Kerry's positions. From the Kerry website:

100 Days to Change America

Rejoin the Community of Nations

We will immediately declare the Bush policy of unilateralism over and work to rebuild our shattered alliances all across the globe. We will launch a successful war against terrorism and also restore trust here at home and abroad by making sure that America always tells the whole truth.

End the ‘Era of Ashcroft’

John Ashcroft has launched an all-out assault on individual rights, allowing for a wholesale invasion of attorney-client conversations, e-mails and telephone calls. Immediately after the election, John Kerry will name a new Attorney General whose name is not John Ashcroft. We will also fight to protect women’s rights, civil rights and workers rights and enforce anti-trust laws.

Create a Middle Class Economy and End the Privileged Class Economy

We will fight to repeal the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans so that we can invest in education and health care. We will also protect middle class tax cuts, such as the child credit and the elimination of the marriage penalty and propose additional tax credits to help middle class families make ends meet.

Making the United States a Safer, Cleaner and Stronger Nation

Creates 500,000 New Jobs Over the Next Decade and Provides Assistance to Assure American Industries Will Lead the New Energy Economy. Kerry believes that we must end this dangerous dependence of foreign oil because it leaves American security and the American economy vulnerable. Kerry’s plan will reduce oil dependence by two million barrels of oil a day, as much as we currently import from the Middle East.

Just got off the phone with Mr. Kerry's office. He is firmly opposed to drilling in Anwar... and he is in favor of fillibusturing the new energy plan when it comes for a vote in the Senate.

A New National Education Trust Fund

We will propose a National Education Trust Fund to make sure that, for the first time ever, we fully fund our schools so they have the tools to assure our kids can succeed in the 21st century economy. We will make a new deal on education – if Washington is going to mandate something for our schools, then the funding should be mandatory.

We will fight to allow students to earn four years of college tuition in exchange for two years of national service. His plan will require mandatory national service for high school kids and enlist a million Americans in service a year.

Repeal Bush Assault on the Environment and Make U.S. Energy Independent

We will rollback the George W. Bush assault on clean air and clean water and work to strengthen our nation’s environmental laws. Kerry will also put forward a plan to make the U.S. energy independent of Middle East oil in ten years—and create 500,000 jobs by investing in energy renewable sources, such as ethanol, solar, and wind.

First Major Legislative Plan: Affordable Health Care

John Kerry’s first major proposal to Congress will be a realistic plan that stops spiraling healthcare costs, covers every child in America, and makes it possible for every American to get the same health care as any Member of Congress. Yet, I've heard Mr. Kerry say that he is going to extend healthcare to all children from the moment they are born.

Cut the Deficit in Half in Four Years

We will put forward a budget to restore fiscal sanity, eliminate corporate welfare, and cut the deficit in half in four years. However, we will keep our compact to seniors by securing Medicare and Social Security and protecting our children and veterans.

End Influence Peddling and Secret Deals

We will reinstate the five-year ban on lobbying so that government officials - like Bush’s former campaign manager and FEMA director - cannot cash in by peddling influence. (Repealed by Clinton and not by Bush)We will also shine the light on the secret deals in Washington by requiring every meeting with a lobbyist or any special interest deal inserted into a bill by a lobbyist be made public.

It seems to me that Kerry, in light of the new revelations, should perhaps remove this from his web page.

164 posted on 02/02/2004 9:24:28 AM PST by carton253 (I have no genius at seeming.)
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To: Daus
I heard the second half kick-off streaker was actually Janet as well.

MyDoom infected nanoprobes.

165 posted on 02/02/2004 9:26:59 AM PST by michigander
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How exactly am I dodging your questions?

By not answering them.

Here's the question:

How will making sure a Democrat is elected make things better for your country?

166 posted on 02/02/2004 9:27:27 AM PST by Sockdologer (Yeeeagh!)
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To: Constantine XIII; OWK
No one else has the sort of funds and organization to build a new party from the ground up in 10 months. Unless you can get something like 60-70% of Pubbies and their $$$ to change sides to the CP, LP, or whatever, no pleasant outcome is possible.

I agree 10 months is too short for this amount of change. Four years is not too short, and 2008 could be a whole new ball game with whole new teams.

From 12/08/1941 to 08/06/1945 the US went from severe economic depression to being the undisputed victor in a global war against two nations that had many years headstart on military production and expansion.

The difference now is that the enemies are within, in both parties.

167 posted on 02/02/2004 9:31:56 AM PST by meadsjn
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To: Columbine
The vote for Perot didn't appear to be a clear vote for conservatism. He had populist appeal and represented some kind of vague dissatisfaction with politics and politicians, apparently. A vote for the Libertarian or Constitution candidate would be unmistakeable.
168 posted on 02/02/2004 9:35:26 AM PST by Abe Froman
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To: Mr. Low Key
If you do not understand the differences between Bush and Kerry, you need this 101 course.! I am trying not to be sarcastic.
169 posted on 02/02/2004 9:36:03 AM PST by woodyinscc
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To: robowombat
Okay, so George Bush has shown that his ‘compassionate conservatism’ is really socialism with conservative lip service.
[ED. NOTE: In the last few months, FReeper Southack put together a list of Bush administration achievements over its first three years in office, and tirelessly posted it whenever an opportunity presented itself. Southack gave me permission to take that list, organize it by topics, and enhance it with further research from and other sources. This thread is posted in gratitude to and in honor of Southack.]

Abortion & Traditional Values

Banned Partial Birth Abortion — by far the most significant roll-back of abortion on demand since Roe v. Wade.

Reversed Clinton's move to strike Reagan's anti-abortion Mexico Policy.

By Executive Order (EO), reversed Clinton's policy of not requiring parental consent for abortions under the Medical Privacy Act.

By EO, prohibited federal funds for international family planning groups that provide abortions and related services.

Upheld the ban on abortions at military hospitals.

Made $33 million available for abstinence education programs in 2004.
Supports the Defense of Marriage Act — and a Constitutional amendment saying marriage is between one man and one woman.
Requires states to conduct criminal background checks on prospective foster and adoptive parents.
Requires districts to let students transfer out of dangerous schools.
Requires schools to have a zero-tolerance policy for classroom disruption (reintroducing discipline into classrooms).
Signed the Teacher Protection Act, which protects teachers from lawsuits related to student discipline.
Expanded the role of faith-based and community organizations in after-school programs.

Budget, Taxes & Economy

Signed two income tax cuts, one of which was the largest dollar-value tax cut in world history.
Supports permanent elimination of the death tax.

Turned around an inherited economy that was in recession, and deeply shocked as a result of the 9/11 attacks.
Is seeking legislation to amend the Constitution to give the president line-item veto authority.
In process of permanently eliminating IRS marriage penalty.

Increased small business incentives to expand and to hire new people.

Initiated discussion on privatizing Social Security and individual investment accounts.

Killed Clinton's "ergonomic" rules that OSHA was about to implement; rules would have shut down every home business in America.

Passed tough new laws to hold corporate criminals to account as a result of corporate scandals.

Reduced taxes on dividends and capital gains.

Signed trade promotion authority.

Reduced and is working to ultimately eliminate the estate tax for family farms and ranches.
Fight Europe's ban on importing biotech crops from the United States.
Exempt food from unilateral trade sanctions and embargoes.
Provided $20 million to states to help people with disabilities work from home.
Created a fund to encourage technologies that help the disabled.
Increased the annual contribution limit on Education IRA's from $500 to $2,000 per child.
Make permanent the $5,000 adoption tax credit and provide $1 billion over five years to increase the credit to $10,000.
Grant a complete tax exemption for prepaid or college tuition savings plans.
Reduced H1B visas from a high of 195,000 per year to 66,000 per year.
Character & Conduct as President

Changed the tone in the White House, restoring HONOR and DIGNITY to the presidency.
Has reintroduced the mention of God and faith into public discourse.
Handled himself with enormous courage, dignity, grace, determination, and leadership in the aftermath of the September 11, 2001 hijackings and anthrax attacks. He almost single-handedly held this country together during those searing days:
Just three days after the attacks, in his address at the National Cathedral, the President reassured the nation when he said: "War has been waged against us by stealth and deceit and murder. This nation is peaceful, but fierce when stirred to anger. This conflict was begun on the timing and terms of others. It will end in a way, and at an hour, of our choosing."

On Friday, September 14, 2001, President Bush visited Ground Zero. Standing on a crushed and burned fire engine atop the smoldering pile at Ground Zero, he put his arm around a retired firefighter who had volunteered to help, and began speaking to the crowd. Rescue workers shouted that they could not hear him. Someone handed him a small American flag and bullhorn. The President spontaneously shouted: "I can hear you. The rest of the world hears you. And the people who knocked these buildings down will hear all of us soon." The crowd roared with cheers and chants of "USA! USA! USA!" Then he raised that American flag and rallied a nation:

Education & Employment Training

Signed the No Child Left Behind Act, delivering the most dramatic education reforms in a generation (challenging the soft bigotry of low expectations). The very liberal California Teachers union is currently running radio ads against the accountability provisions of this Act.

Announced "Jobs for the 21st Century," a comprehensive plan to better prepare workers for jobs in the new millennium by strengthening post-secondary education and job training, and by improving high school education.
Is working to provide vouchers to low-income students in persistently failing schools to help with costs of attending private schools. (Blocked in the Senate.)
Requires annual reading and math tests in grades three through eight.
Requires states to participate in the National Assessment of Education Progress, or an equivalent program, to establish a national benchmark for academic performance.
Requires school-by-school accountability report cards.
Established a $2.4 billion fund to help states implement teacher accountability systems.
Increased funding for the Troops-to-Teachers program, which recruits former military personnel to to become teachers.

Environment & Energy

Killed the Kyoto Global Warming Treaty.
Submitted a comprehensive Energy Plan (awaits Congressional action). The plan works to develop cleaner technology, produce more natural gas here at home, make America less dependent on foreign sources of energy, improve national grid, etc.
Established a $10 million grant program to promote private conservation initiatives.
Significantly eased field-testing controls of genetically engineered crops.

Changed parts of the Forestry Management Act to allow necessary cleanup of the national forests in order to reduce fire danger.

Part of national forests cleanup: Restricted judicial challenges (based on the Endangered Species Act and other challenges), and removed the need for an Environmental Impact Statement before removing fuels/logging to reduce fire danger.

Killed Clinton's CO2 rules that were choking off all of the electricity surplus to California.

Provided matching grants for state programs that help private landowners protect rare species.

Defense & Foreign Policy

Successfully executed two wars in the aftermath of 9/11/01: Afghanistan and Iraq. 50 million people who had lived under tyrannical regimes now live in freedom.
Saddam Hussein is now in prison. His two murderous sons are dead. All but a handful of the regime's senior members were killed or captured.
Leader by leader and member by member, al Qaida is being hunted down in dozens of countries around the world. Of the senior al Qaida leaders, operational managers, and key facilitators the U.S. Government has been tracking, nearly two-thirds have been taken into custody or killed. The detentions or deaths of senior al Qaida leaders, including Khalid Shaykh Muhammad, the mastermind of 9/11, and Muhammad Atef, Osama bin Laden's second-in-command until his death in late 2001, have been important in the War on Terror.
Disarmed Libya of its chemical, nuclear and biological WMD's without bribes or bloodshed.

Continues to execute the War On Terror, getting worldwide cooperation to track funds/terrorists. Has cut off much of the terrorists' funding, and captured or killed many key leaders of the al Qaeda network.

Initiated a comprehensive review of our military, which was completed just prior to 9/11/01, and which accurately reported that ASYMMETRICAL WARFARE capabilities were critical in the 21st Century.

Killed the old US/Soviet Union ABM Treaty that was preventing the U.S. from deploying our ABM defenses.

Has been one of the strongest, if not THE strongest friend Israel has ever hand in the U.S. presidency.

Part of the coalition for an Israeli/Palestinian "Roadmap to Peace," along with Great Britain, Russia and the EU.

Pushed through THREE raises for our military. Increased military pay by more than $1 billion a year.

Signed the LARGEST nuclear arms reduction in world history with Russia.

Started withdrawing our troops from Bosnia, and has announced withdrawal of our troops from Germany and the Korean DMZ.

Prohibited putting U.S. troops under U.N. command.
Paid back UN dues only in return for reforms and reduction of U.S. share of the costs.
Earmarked at least 20 percent of the Defense procurement budget for next-generation weaponry.
Increased defense research and development spending by at least $20 billion from fiscal 2002 to 2006.
Ordered a comprehensive review of military weapons and strategy.
Ordered a review of overseas deployments.
Ordered renovation of military housing. The military has already upgraded about 10 percent of its inventory and expects to modernize 76,000 additional homes this year.
Is working to tighten restrictions on military-technology exports.
Brought back our EP-3 intel plane and crew from China without any bribes or bloodshed.
Globalization & Internationalism

Challenged the United Nations to live up to their responsibilities and not become another League of Nations (in other words, showed the UN to be completely irrelevant).

Killed U.S. involvement in the International Criminal Court.

Told the United Nations we weren't interested in their plans for gun control (i.e., the International Ban on Small Arms Trafficking Treaty).*
The only President since the founding of the UN to essentially tell that organization it is irrelevant. He said: "The conduct of the Iraqi regime is a threat to the authority of the United Nations, and a threat to peace. Iraq has answered a decade of UN demands with a decade of defiance. All the world now faces a test, and the United Nations a difficult and defining moment. Are Security Council resolutions to be honored and enforced, or cast aside without consequence? Will the United Nations serve the purpose of its founding, or will it be irrelevant?" We all know the outcome and the answer.
Told the Congress and the world, "America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our country."

Government Reform

Improved government efficiency by putting hundreds of thousands of jobs put up for bid. This weakens public-sector unions and cuts undeserved pay raises.

Initiated review of all federal agencies with the goal of eliminating federal jobs (completed September 2003) in an effort to reduce the size of the federal government while increasing private sector jobs.

Led the most extensive reorganization the Federal bureaucracy in over 50 years: After 9/11, condensed 20+ overlapping agencies and their intelligence sectors into one agency, the Department of Homeland Security.*
Ordered each agency to draft a five-year plan to restructure itself, with fewer managers.
Converted federal service contracts to performance-based contracts wherever possible so that the contractor has measurable performance goals.


Strengthen the National Health Service Corps to put more physicians in the neediest areas, and make its scholarship funds tax-free.
Double the research budget of the National Institutes of Health.
Signed Medicare Reform, which includes:
A 10-year privatization option.
Prescription drug benefits: Prior to this reform, Medicare paid for extended hospital stays for ulcer surgery, for example, at a cost of about $28,000 per patient. Yet Medicare would not pay for the drugs that eliminate the cause of most ulcers, drugs that cost about $500 a year. Now, drug coverage under Medicare will allow seniors to replace more expensive surgeries and hospitalizations with less expensive prescription medicine.

More health care choices: As President Bush stated, "…when seniors have the ability to make choices, health care plans within Medicare will have to compete for their business by offering higher quality service [at lower cost]. For the seniors of America, more choices and more control will mean better health care. These are the kinds of health care options we give to the members of Congress and federal employees. What's good for members of Congress is also good for seniors.

New Health Savings Accounts: Effective January 1, 2004, Americans can set aside up to $4,500 every year, tax free, to save for medical expenses. Depending on your tax bracket, that means you'll save between 10 to 35 percent on any costs covered by money in your account. Every year, the money not spent would stay in the account and gain interest tax-free, just like an IRA. These accounts will be good for small business owners, and employees. More businesses can focus on covering workers for major medical problems, such as hospitalization for an injury or illness. At the same time, employees and their families will use these accounts to cover doctors visits, or lab tests, or other smaller costs. Some employers will contribute to employee health accounts. This will help more American families get the health care they need at the price they can afford.

Homeland Security, Border Enforcement & Immigration

*See Government Reform above. Under President Bush's leadership, America has made an unprecedented commitment to homeland security.
Has CONSTRUCTION in process on the first 10 ABM silos in Alaska so that America will have a defense against North Korean nukes. Has ordered national and theater ballistic missile defenses to be deployed by 2004.

Announced a 9.7% increase in government-wide homeland security funding in his FY 2005 budget, nearly tripling the FY 2001 levels (excluding the Department of Defense and Project BioShield).
Before DHS was created, there were inspectors from three different agencies of the Federal Government and Border Patrol officers protecting our borders. Through DHS, U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) now consolidates all border activities into a single agency to create "one face at the border." This not only better secures the borders of the United States, but it also eliminates many of the inefficiencies that occurred under the old system. With over 18,000 CBP inspectors and 11,000 Border Patrol agents, CBP has 29,000 uniformed officers on our borders.
The Border Patrol is continuing installation of monitoring devices along the borders to detect illegal activity.

Launched Operation Tarmac to investigate businesses and workers in the secure areas of domestic airports and ensure immigration law compliance. Since 9/11, DHS has audited 3,640 businesses, examined 259,037 employee records, arrested 1,030 unauthorized workers, and participated in the criminal indictment of 774 individuals.
Since September 11, 2001, the Coast Guard has conducted more than 124,000 port security patrols, 13,000 air patrols, boarded more than 92,000 vessels, interdicted over 14,000 individuals attempting to enter the United States illegally, and created and maintained more than 90 Maritime Security Zones.

Announced the Student and Exchange Visitor Information System (SEVIS), an internet-based system that is improving America's ability to track and monitor foreign students and exchange visitors. Over 870,000 students are registered in SEVIS. Of 285 completed field investigations, 71 aliens were arrested.

This week, the US-VISIT program began to digitally collect biometric identifiers to record the entry and exit of aliens who travel into the U.S on a visa. Together with the standard information, this new program will confirm compliance with visa and immigration policies.
Eliminated INS bureaucratic redundancies and lack of accountability.
Split the Immigration and Naturalization Service into two agencies: one to protect the border and interior, the other to deal with naturalization.
Signed the workplace verification bill to prevent hiring of illegal aliens.
Established a six-month deadline for processing immigration applications.
Information regarding nearly 100% of all containerized cargo is carefully screened by DHS before it arrives in the United States. Higher risk shipments are physically inspected for terrorist weapons and contraband prior to being released from the port of entry. Advanced technologies are being deployed to identify warning signs of chemical, biological, or radiological attacks. Since September 11, 2001, hundreds of thousands of first responders across America have been trained to recognize and respond to the effects of a WMD attack.
Judiciary & Tort Reform

Is urging federal liability reform to eliminate frivolous lawsuits.

Killed the liberal ABA's unconstitutional role in vetting federal judges. The Senate is supposed to advise and consent, not the ABA.

Is nominating strong, conservative judges to the judiciary.

Supports class action reform bill which limits lawyer fees so that more settlement money goes to victims.

His leadership resulted in Republican gains in the House and Senate, solidifying Republican control of both houses of Congress and the presidency.

Signed an EO enforcing the Supreme Court's Beck decision regarding union dues being used for political campaigns against individual's wishes.

Second Amendment

Ordered Attorney General Ashcroft to formally notify the Supreme Court that the OFFICIAL U.S. government position on the 2nd Amendment is that it supports INDIVIDUAL rights to own firearms, and is NOT a Leftist-imagined "collective" right.
Signed TWO bills into law that arm our pilots with handguns in the cockpit.

Currently pushing for full immunity from lawsuits for our national gun manufacturers.

*See Globalization & Internationalism.

Traditional Values, Compassion & Volunteerism

Endorses and promotes "The Responsibility Era." President Bush often speaks of the necessity of personal responsibility and civic volunteerism. He said, "In a compassionate society, people respect one another and take responsibility for the decisions they make in life. My hope is to change the culture from one that has said, if it feels good, do it; if you've got a problem, blame somebody else — to one in which every single American understands that he or she is responsible for the decisions that you make; you're responsible for loving your children with all your heart and all your soul; you're responsible for being involved with the quality of the education of your children; you're responsible for making sure the community in which you live is safe; you're responsible for loving your neighbor, just like you would like to be loved yourself."

Started the USA Freedom Corps, the most comprehensive clearinghouse of volunteer opportunities ever offered. For the first time in history, Americans can enter geographic information about where they want to get involved, such as state or zip code, as well as areas of interest ranging from education to the environment, and they can access volunteer opportunities offered by more than 50,000 organizations across the country and around the world.

Established the The White House Office and the Centers for the Faith-Based and Community Initiative — located in seven Federal agencies. The faith-based initiative supports the essential work of these important organizations. The goal is to make sure that grassroots leaders can compete on an equal footing for federal dollars, receive greater private support, and face fewer bureaucratic barriers. Work focuses on at-risk youth, ex-offenders, the homeless and hungry, substance abusers, those with HIV/AIDS, and welfare-to-work families.

The White House released a guidebook fully describing the Administration's belief that faith-based groups have a Constitutionally-protected right to maintain their religious identity through hiring — even when Federal funds are involved.
Issued an EO implementing the Supreme Court's Olmstead ruling, which requires moving disabled people from institutions to community-based facilities when possible.
Increased funding for low-interest loan programs to help people with disabilities purchase devices to assist them.
Revised the Department of Housing and Urban Development's Section 8 rent subsidies to disabled people, permitting them to use up to a year's worth of vouchers to finance down payments on homes. HUD has started pilot programs in 11 states.
Committed US funds to purchase medicine for millions of men, women and children now suffering with AIDS in Africa.

Heeding the words of our own Declaration of Independence, the president laid out the non-negotiable demands of human dignity for all people everywhere. On January 29, 2002, he said, "No nation owns these aspirations, and no nation is exempt from them. We have no intention of imposing our culture. But America will always stand firm for the non-negotiable demands of human dignity." As stated by the President, they are a virtual manifesto of conservative principles:
Equal Justice

Freedom of Speech

Limited Government Power

Private Property Rights

Religious Tolerance

Respect for Women

Rule of Law

"I support the rightward most VIABLE candidate."
WF Buckley
170 posted on 02/02/2004 9:36:52 AM PST by Valin (Politicians are like diapers. They both need changing regularly and for the same reason.)
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To: Columbine
Your statement was incredibly ignorant. Don't be sorry for your opinion, just support it. You're move.
171 posted on 02/02/2004 9:49:48 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: Sockdologer
How will making sure a Democrat is elected make things better for your country?

Are you honestly incapable of decoupling accountability for your elected officials' actions, with "making sure a democrat is elected"?

He can't be much more leftist than he already is, and not be an open communist..

At what point would you no longer consider him conservative?

172 posted on 02/02/2004 9:52:25 AM PST by OWK
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To: carton253
Good post - a little scary, albeit.
173 posted on 02/02/2004 9:54:54 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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You're still dodging the question.
It can't be that hard to answer.
174 posted on 02/02/2004 9:55:19 AM PST by Sockdologer (Yeeeagh!)
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To: Sockdologer
You're still dodging the question

It isn't even a question.

It is an irrational presupposition on your part.

175 posted on 02/02/2004 9:58:46 AM PST by OWK
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To: Valin
Thanks for your post.
176 posted on 02/02/2004 9:59:11 AM PST by Sockdologer (Yeeeagh!)
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In other words, you can't answer.
*shrug* Bray away then.
177 posted on 02/02/2004 10:01:12 AM PST by Sockdologer (Yeeeagh!)
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To: Sockdologer
You are yet another in a long line of GOP apologists, for whom no republican party leftist can go too far.

Any criticism of GOP socialism is met with the same tired old "but at least they're better than the dems" mantra.

And with each passing year, that mantra becomes less and less true, as the GOP morphs into a socialist machine which will be ultimately indistinguishable from the democrat left.

And all the while you'll be making the same old excuses, and rationalizing your cheerleading.

It grows tiresome.

178 posted on 02/02/2004 10:03:24 AM PST by OWK
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To: Sockdologer
In other words, you can't answer.

Not at all.

The question is based on an irrational supposition on your part. (that any criticism of the GOP will ultimately result in democrats being elected).


Of course it is.

But it doesn't stop the "true believers" from trotting it out.

179 posted on 02/02/2004 10:06:35 AM PST by OWK
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To: cinFLA
Blah, blah, blah....


180 posted on 02/02/2004 10:07:46 AM PST by ksen (HHD - Dilandau sister!)
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To: MJY1288
What's wrong with voting one's conscience?
181 posted on 02/02/2004 10:08:33 AM PST by rcofdayton
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And therefore people best just shut up and take whatever steaming pile of leftist feces that Bush sends their way with a smile and a thank you... Right? Is that how it works?

There are many candidates on many different ballots this November. Promoting conservatism extends well beyond the Presidential candidate. Of course, you don't need a simian like me to call this to your attention . . .

The problem with promoting conservatism via the vote, especially this year, is it requires work; one has to actually study every position and every candidate and determine his or her true stance to the best of one's ability, to determine whether or not that candidate is really conservative. Voting a straight ticket won't cut it; nor will a 'protest' vote for an unelectable, though thoroughly papered, conservative presidential candidate.

Likewise, sitting at home on election day does nothing but affirm moral and intellectual laziness on the part of the sofa warmer.

To thine own self be true . . .

182 posted on 02/02/2004 10:09:07 AM PST by BraveMan
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I'm fully in your camp as usual.
183 posted on 02/02/2004 10:09:16 AM PST by gorush (You're it!)
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To: Mr. Low Key
I am not your son and I don't run your errands.

Conservatives are self reliant.

Try Google.
184 posted on 02/02/2004 10:09:24 AM PST by Columbine (Bush '04 - Owens '08)
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You don't even read what's being written.
You repeat the same line over and over again.
Bush expanded federal programs! Bush expanded
federal programs. Yeah. Right. Okay. We get the point.
I even said you might have a valid complaint - but
when it comes down to the voting, you still have
only two options. One of them is Bush and one of them is the Democrat.

Bush may let us down on a lot of issues, but in letting
a Democrat win, you give up _every_ issue.

I'm not telling you to excuse Bush. But I fail to see
how ensuring a Democratic win will solve your problem.
It's more important to keep the country in the best
state possible than to teach one Republican candidate
a lesson.

If I'm wrong, show me how, but don't keep repeating
your little list of federal programs. I've seen it
185 posted on 02/02/2004 10:10:04 AM PST by Sockdologer (Yeeeagh!)
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To: Sockdologer; OWK
Look. No one's telling you to embrace everything the President's done. But use a little common sense.

JMO, but common sense to OWK is like water being thrown on the wicked witch in The Wizard of Oz.

186 posted on 02/02/2004 10:10:49 AM PST by Dane
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To: robowombat
Mr. Adams,

You don't deserve to wear that name. Mr. Rosenberg would suit you more appropriately as you are willing to put America's future at great risk for the sake of your personal ideals.

187 posted on 02/02/2004 10:11:00 AM PST by Tamzee (W '04..... America may not survive a Democrat at this point in our history....)
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Hey, it's not the criticism I mind. It's the voting
I'm worried about.
188 posted on 02/02/2004 10:11:18 AM PST by Sockdologer (Yeeeagh!)
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To: Dane
189 posted on 02/02/2004 10:12:13 AM PST by Sockdologer (Yeeeagh!)
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To: Sockdologer
You don't even read what's being written.

I read exactly what you wrote.

And I've read it 1000 times before.

Yeah... they're not conservative.. "but the dems"... "the dems"... the boogermen will eat out liver if we dare to criticize the king..


190 posted on 02/02/2004 10:12:46 AM PST by OWK
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It grows tiresome.

Tiresome is the constant, DAILY postings of dispiriting negativity that are posted on FR to accomplish...

Well, we don't know what they are supposed to accomplish except some vague "Make Bush Accountable" idea. Everybody at FR knows how you Disgruntled ones feel now. Fine. But why post DAY after DAY, HOUR after HOUR the same negative stuff.

It's like wormtounge. It's like Terrell Owens. It's like the wife of the referee in the super bowl commercial.

Pure poison.

191 posted on 02/02/2004 10:13:09 AM PST by Warren_Piece (Wake up you Sheeple! The Steelers fan invaders are a bunch of Statists!)
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To: Sockdologer

Just my opinion.

192 posted on 02/02/2004 10:13:42 AM PST by Dane
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To: gorush
Another name it warms my heart to see.

Best Regards.

193 posted on 02/02/2004 10:13:45 AM PST by OWK
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To: kevao
When hundreds of thousands of illegals per year can cross our borders with impunity, our sovereignty is at risk.

To the extent President Kerry would put us at risk? Those are our only two realistic choices... a man who has shown great personal character but not 100% conservative values, or a man who deliberately flies the American flag upside, admires socialism and bows reverently to the U.N.

194 posted on 02/02/2004 10:14:26 AM PST by Tamzee (W '04..... America may not survive a Democrat at this point in our history....)
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Alright. If you don't think the dems are worse,
tell me why. Tell me how. I'm waiting.
195 posted on 02/02/2004 10:14:30 AM PST by Sockdologer (Yeeeagh!)
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The quantum leap to the left aside, the biggest threat to freedom I see is the Kremlin-style, toe the party line mentality that has emerged in our national politics. Don't question, don't think. Our leaders know better, our motives are pure, we know what's best for you. If you do not conform, we will punish you in a hundred different ways. Those who control by threat or intimidation are not leaders at all.
196 posted on 02/02/2004 10:15:01 AM PST by Ches ("old enough to remember when the air was clean and sex was dirty")
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To: Abe Froman
The vote for Perot didn't appear to be a clear vote for conservatism. He had populist appeal and represented some kind of vague dissatisfaction with politics and politicians, apparently. A vote for the Libertarian or Constitution candidate would be unmistakeable.

Good Lord! Why is it so hard to understand that the split vote elected Bill Clinton?

Split it again and maybe you will get Hillary. Or if not Hillary, maybe it will be Kerry who pretended to throw away his medals in an anti-war protest.

197 posted on 02/02/2004 10:16:28 AM PST by Columbine (Bush '04 - Owens '08)
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To: Warren_Piece
Tiresome is the constant, DAILY postings of dispiriting negativity...

Awwww.... negativity.. (sniff sniff)

I am critical of socialism and leftism.

I criticize Bush for his socialism, and his leftism.

Want to hear less criticism of Bush?

Encourage him to behave like less of a leftist.

Pretty simple.

198 posted on 02/02/2004 10:16:31 AM PST by OWK
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To: Columbine
199 posted on 02/02/2004 10:16:56 AM PST by Sockdologer (Yeeeagh!)
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To: robowombat
"I’m Tired"

Maybe you should look at your attachment to being tired.

200 posted on 02/02/2004 10:16:58 AM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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