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An opposing view: Descendant of black Confederate soldier speaks at museum
Thomasville Times-Enterprise ^ | 24 Feb 2004 | Mark Lastinger

Posted on 02/25/2004 11:52:26 AM PST by 4CJ

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1 posted on 02/25/2004 11:52:27 AM PST by 4CJ
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
Making popcorn and pulling up a chair.
2 posted on 02/25/2004 11:55:15 AM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
Excellent!

I've known about Nelson and several other black men who have the courage to stand up against PC history and remind us how it really happened for several years now. The PC crowd wants to ignore or even deny the existence of blacks in gray during the War. For those who may not know, another black Confederate activist, H.K. Edgerton, marches across the South every year to support respect for Confederate history, heritage and symbols.

3 posted on 02/25/2004 11:58:46 AM PST by MarcoPolo
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
Well there's something you don't see every day.
4 posted on 02/25/2004 11:59:20 AM PST by Indrid Cold (He thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.)
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To: facedown; stainlessbanner; billbears; shuckmaster; Gianni; GOPcapitalist; nolu chan; ...
Well, I guess I need to invite a few friends ;o)
5 posted on 02/25/2004 12:05:12 PM PST by 4CJ (||) OUR sins put Him on that cross - HIS love for us kept Him there. (||)
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
If next, they have the grandson of a free black who owned slaves, I am going to faint!
6 posted on 02/25/2004 12:05:44 PM PST by 2banana
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
Years ago, I visited the Cyclorama in Atlanta. I did not know much, but was beginning my life long interest in the War Between the States. I asked a tour guide if any blacks had fought for the Confederacy.

She looked at me like I had two heads and sputtered, "Of course not."

I have since learned more of the truth, and it is an ongoing experience.

Thanks for posting this.

7 posted on 02/25/2004 12:07:17 PM PST by don-o
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
"People ask why a black person would fight for the Confederacy. (It was) for the same damned reason a white Southerner did," Winbush explained.

Unfortunately it's probably going to be a few years until the truth comes out fully over the revisionism that's been forced upon us for years

8 posted on 02/25/2004 12:08:58 PM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice.)
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To: Indrid Cold
I wish I had known about it - I would have drove over to listen. But there are others like Mr. Winbush - Bob Harrison, H. K. Edgerton, Lee & Anthony Hervey to name a few. These men are proud of their ancestors, I along with them. We honour all those that served.
9 posted on 02/25/2004 12:09:44 PM PST by 4CJ (||) OUR sins put Him on that cross - HIS love for us kept Him there. (||)
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
"If you learn anything else today, don't be dumb."

Don't be dumb....don't be dumb...don't be dumb... OK Got it!
10 posted on 02/25/2004 12:14:29 PM PST by Honcho
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
Good to set the story straight about the flag. But for Mr. Winbush to say he would have fought alongside his grandfather strikes me as offensive, knowing what he knows now. Would he prefer the Confederacy had won the war? It is a fact that the war ended the immoral practice of slavery. And though some slaves were content with their conditions, this does not excuse the practice.
11 posted on 02/25/2004 12:20:02 PM PST by Scott Mahrle
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To: don-o; stand watie
I have since learned more of the truth, and it is an ongoing experience.

There are several books on the subject, stand watie can give you the name of one by Professor Blackerby (sp?). Also try Forgotten Confederates: An Anthology About Black Southerners by Charles Kelly Barrow, et. al., Black Southerners in Gray by Richard Rollins, and Black Southern Heritage (video) by Edward Smith and the above-mentioned Nelson Winbush.

12 posted on 02/25/2004 12:21:12 PM PST by 4CJ (||) OUR sins put Him on that cross - HIS love for us kept Him there. (||)
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To: MarcoPolo
...another black Confederate activist, H.K. Edgerton, marches across the South every year to support respect for Confederate history, heritage and symbols.

A hundred years from now, if there is still a United States, black men in gray uniforms will be participants in Civil War battle reenactments. Companies of Confederate soldiers made up of both black and white participants, will be led onto the field by a black man in a gray uniform proudly holding the Confederate Battle Flag. No one will notice.

In a hundred years, but not now.

13 posted on 02/25/2004 12:21:27 PM PST by elbucko
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
I would greatly appreciate it if you would add me to your Ping list.....


Thanks!
14 posted on 02/25/2004 12:28:36 PM PST by TexConfederate1861 ("Dixie & Texas Forever!")
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
Patty Hearst fought for the SLA.
15 posted on 02/25/2004 12:29:28 PM PST by Agnes Heep
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To: billbears
Hey there pard....haven't seen you posting in a while.
Good to see ya !

Waiting patiently for the "brigade" to make an appearance!
16 posted on 02/25/2004 12:30:12 PM PST by TexConfederate1861 ("Dixie & Texas Forever!")
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To: Scott Mahrle
But for Mr. Winbush to say he would have fought alongside his grandfather strikes me as offensive, knowing what he knows now. Would he prefer the Confederacy had won the war?

Considering that Mr. Winbush states that his grandfather fought for the Confederacy and 'had plenty of chances to make a break for freedom, but never did', and that he [Mr. Winbush] 'would shudder to think what would happen if somebody tried to do something to this particular flag' [that draped his grandfather's coffin], I would guess that he does not consider the Confederacy offensive.

Regarding your latter comment, I would think that his statements would answer that, but only Mr. Winbush could answer for certain.

17 posted on 02/25/2004 12:30:34 PM PST by 4CJ (||) OUR sins put Him on that cross - HIS love for us kept Him there. (||)
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
Read later.
18 posted on 02/25/2004 12:31:21 PM PST by EagleMamaMT
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To: 2banana
One of the first slave owners ever in the colonies was..you guessed it! A BLACK MAN! Little known or reported fact in our history..always overlooked by the commie news media and extortionists.
19 posted on 02/25/2004 12:33:23 PM PST by crz
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To: *dixie_list; Leatherneck_MT; U S Army EOD; CurlyBill; w_over_w; BSunday; PeaRidge; RebelBanker; ...
Honorable Nelson Winbush ping!
20 posted on 02/25/2004 12:35:20 PM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: Capriole; cyborg
Meet Nelson Winbush
21 posted on 02/25/2004 12:39:05 PM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: stainlessbanner
Other than the Passion film, I can't think of anything that makes a lib more angry than a black confederate soldier!
22 posted on 02/25/2004 12:44:13 PM PST by cyborg
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To: Honcho
Don't be dumb....don't be dumb...don't be dumb... OK Got it!

;o)

23 posted on 02/25/2004 12:47:20 PM PST by 4CJ (||) OUR sins put Him on that cross - HIS love for us kept Him there. (||)
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To: TexConfederate1861
I would greatly appreciate it if you would add me to your Ping list.....

Actually I don't have one - I seldom post threads. But I will make remember you in the future.

24 posted on 02/25/2004 12:49:31 PM PST by 4CJ (||) OUR sins put Him on that cross - HIS love for us kept Him there. (||)
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To: Agnes Heep
Patty Hearst fought for the SLA.

Sherman [*spit*], Sheridan, Butler and Grant fought for the Union.

25 posted on 02/25/2004 12:50:36 PM PST by 4CJ (||) OUR sins put Him on that cross - HIS love for us kept Him there. (||)
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To: crz
Your statement that one of the first slave owners in America was black leads me to wonder....What was his name? Where did he live? What did he do? How did he get here, immigate from Africa? I'm sure you have the answers and I'm all ears.
26 posted on 02/25/2004 12:51:18 PM PST by wtc911 (I got the motive which is money and the body which is dead.)
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
Finally!!! There are admittedly far too few who have taken the time and have the whit to properly study the Civil War and it's causes and participants. I have been re-ennacting at living history events for over fifteen years and we do try to get it right. There are even three black men in our unit that participate in roles that are taken from personal diaries and letters of their ancestors who were on one side or the other. It's never an issue with us if we are galvanised into a confederate outfit or into a Union one although it does seem that there are almost always more rebs than yanks. The fact is that there were many black people on both sides in the war and their story isn't told often enough.
27 posted on 02/25/2004 12:52:54 PM PST by Lee Heggy (When truth and logic fail high explosives are applicable.)
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
I know Mr. Winbush and have heard him speak several times. Bless his heart.
28 posted on 02/25/2004 12:54:00 PM PST by varina davis
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To: Agnes Heep
It's called the Stockholm syndrome, identifying with one's oppressor. It showed itself again right after 911 with the otherwise inexplicable rise in conversions to islam among mostly white, liberal women.
29 posted on 02/25/2004 12:54:02 PM PST by wtc911 (I got the motive which is money and the body which is dead.)
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To: stainlessbanner
Meet Nelson Winbush

Mr. Winbush (images from the Sierra Times) and his grandfather

30 posted on 02/25/2004 12:55:55 PM PST by 4CJ (||) OUR sins put Him on that cross - HIS love for us kept Him there. (||)
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To: wtc911
Anthony Johnson, Northampton County, VA
31 posted on 02/25/2004 1:02:22 PM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: Scott Mahrle
thanks for injecting some sanity into this thread

the rebs were not American heroes
32 posted on 02/25/2004 1:04:21 PM PST by dwills
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To: stainlessbanner
Interesting, how did he get here himself?
33 posted on 02/25/2004 1:09:58 PM PST by wtc911 (I got the motive which is money and the body which is dead.)
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To: wtc911
right on, reb apologists shouldn't prey on this man's madness

who wouldn't deny the shame of one's grandfather having been a holocaust collaborator?
34 posted on 02/25/2004 1:11:39 PM PST by dwills
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To: wtc911
One of the original 20 indentured servants brought to Jamestown.
35 posted on 02/25/2004 1:12:20 PM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: Lee Heggy
I have been re-ennacting at living history events for over fifteen years and we do try to get it right. There are even three black men in our unit that participate in roles that are taken from personal diaries and letters of their ancestors who were on one side or the other.

Kudos to you all - our ancestors, of either side, need to be remembered honestly and proudly.

36 posted on 02/25/2004 2:08:33 PM PST by 4CJ (||) OUR sins put Him on that cross - HIS love for us kept Him there. (||)
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To: varina davis
I know Mr. Winbush and have heard him speak several times. Bless his heart.

I would have loved to hear him speak of his grandfather. I will try to find out more about the meeting if possible.

37 posted on 02/25/2004 2:11:05 PM PST by 4CJ (||) OUR sins put Him on that cross - HIS love for us kept Him there. (||)
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To: dwills
who wouldn't deny the shame of one's grandfather having been a holocaust collaborator?

What, your grandfather was in the SS? Hang your head.

Oh, wait, this is America -- we don't do "taint of blood".

Never mind.

38 posted on 02/25/2004 4:29:21 PM PST by lentulusgracchus (Et praeterea caeterum censeo, delenda est Carthago. -- M. Porcius Cato)
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To: dwills
Ummmm.... the Emancipation Proclamation was not signed until after the start of the war. It was never an issue until Europe threatened to get involved. It was done more as a political move to keep Europe than anything. Union General Sherman supported slavery, while Robert E. Lee called it evil. Slavery was a developed issue ... Many have been so indoctrinated into template of political correctness that they cannot bring themselves to think straight on this subject. Don't worry, speech is still free here!

Funny thing is, many people say that it is the south that is still fighting the war, whereas it is the "northerners" who are trying to outlaw any remembrance of the south, in effect attempting to erase its existence. Who is still fighting the war??

39 posted on 02/25/2004 4:39:25 PM PST by CurlyBill (Voter fraud is one of the primary campaign strategies of the Democrats!!!!)
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To: don-o
Years ago, I visited the Cyclorama in Atlanta. I did not know much, but was beginning my life long interest in the War Between the States. I asked a tour guide if any blacks had fought for the Confederacy.

Next time I'm in Atlanta, I'm going to drop by the Cyclorama again (it having been restored since I saw it), just so I can ask your tour guide the same question -- knowing the answer.

Yes, mother, I'm a naughty boy.

40 posted on 02/25/2004 4:45:11 PM PST by lentulusgracchus (Et praeterea caeterum censeo, delenda est Carthago. -- M. Porcius Cato)
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To: CurlyBill
remember what south? they never succeeded in seceding, though 600,000 died in the failed treachery

i'm neither ashamed nor proud of my southern roots--since i didn't inherit any wealth from slavery or rebellion, i accept no guilt either

rather, i'm just perplexed by anyone who glorifies a history that should've shamed the actual participants
41 posted on 02/25/2004 5:29:04 PM PST by dwills
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To: Scott Mahrle
Human nature being what it is, there's always someone who wants to go against the tide. Last summer I worked at a national park where we had kids from the local junior high schools help us as volunteers. We had both Union and Confederate uniforms to supply the kids, and to avoid any controversy we allowed the kids to choose which uniforms they would wear. Being in the South, most of the white kids chose Confederate. All of the black kids chose Union uniforms except for one. That young man could not wait to get into a Confederate uniform and was very proud of it. So my guess is, that a small number slaves or freedmen went against the prevailing view among their race and sided with the Confederacy during the Civil War. I'm not basing this on any sources other than my observations of human nature.
42 posted on 02/25/2004 5:39:53 PM PST by flying Elvis
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To: dwills
Not sure where you got your perspective on this. This wasn't a rogue action of a few... the nation was torn in two, and you are calling half of the nation trecherous. Slaves were bought and sold under the American flag... The KKK marched under the American flag, but nobody is trying to ban it or villify any symbolism of pre-Civil War America.

The people of the south ... those with us today, are great patriots and will vote for George Bush in great numbers. The same cannot be said for the likes of Massachusetts, Vermont, Connecticut and Rhode Island. Am I questioning the Patriotism of the Northeast? ... hard not to when they seem to favor someone who protested with the likes of Jane Fonda. It seems to me as though it is the neo-Yankees who are still fighting the war... they just can't let it go... and they cannot accept any mention or recognition that half of America was aligned with the Confederacy.

43 posted on 02/25/2004 6:15:06 PM PST by CurlyBill (Voter fraud is one of the primary campaign strategies of the Democrats!!!!)
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To: 4ConservativeJustices; Honcho
Don't be dumb....don't be dumb...don't be dumb... OK Got it!

Quote of the day material if I've ever seen it!

44 posted on 02/25/2004 6:29:43 PM PST by Gianni (Everyone's a closet economist.)
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To: dwills
who wouldn't deny the shame of one's grandfather having been a holocaust collaborator?

Uhhh... Speak into my good ear?

45 posted on 02/25/2004 6:33:12 PM PST by Gianni (Everyone's a closet economist.)
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To: lentulusgracchus
Yes, mother, I'm a naughty boy.

ROTF! You're bad - but I love the way you think!

46 posted on 02/25/2004 7:14:39 PM PST by 4CJ (||) OUR sins put Him on that cross - HIS love for us kept Him there. (||)
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To: CurlyBill
yes, i'm calling enthusiastic participants in rebellion at that time traitors, including perhaps some of my ancestry (haven't researched that one like the revolutionary war)

i definitely question the patriotism of those who vote against bush, given what's at stake in this election, and that of whoever doesn't vote and lets their state go dem
47 posted on 02/25/2004 11:22:44 PM PST by dwills
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bump
48 posted on 02/26/2004 3:44:04 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
<bows, plume sweeping ground> Whah, thenk kyew, suh! Youa mos' obedient, suh.
49 posted on 02/26/2004 3:45:58 AM PST by lentulusgracchus (Et praeterea caeterum censeo, delenda est Carthago. -- M. Porcius Cato)
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To: dwills
yes, i'm calling enthusiastic participants in rebellion at that time traitors

Here we go again.

You might, before passing a deadly judgment on your own ancestors, try to learn a little about their cause first, and about the legality of secession under the Tenth Amendment -- or even, the legality of secession above the Tenth Amendment, since it was a sovereign act of the People of each State, who by seceding merely reclaimed that which had been delegated, and which they had never lost or given up the right to reclaim.

50 posted on 02/26/2004 3:49:39 AM PST by lentulusgracchus (Et praeterea caeterum censeo, delenda est Carthago. -- M. Porcius Cato)
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