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A model for revitalizing Catholic parish life
The Wanderer's From the Mail ^ | September 24, 2004

Posted on 09/23/2004 5:56:29 PM PDT by AskStPhilomena

A Wanderer reader from Chicago has reminded FROM THE MAIL that it has been several years since we have reported on the revitalized St. John Cantius parish in Chicago, and the thriving new order of priests, the Society of St. John Cantius, and that we owe readers an update.

After looking at the materials she sent in, FTM agrees, and so we'll look at St. John's and the Order - in the context of the crucial question of what is happening in Catholic parish life in the United States today - but, first, an update on "the singing ex-Jesuit, Dan Schutte" and his domestic partner Mike Gale.

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After FTM revealed, in the July 29 edition, that former Milwaukee Jesuit Dan Schutte, who is still making the rounds on the Catholic music circuit, was a partnered gay man teaching at the University of San Francisco, where he is "musician in residence," some Internet bloggers picked up the article and began a disinformation campaign insisting that: 1, the "Dan Schutte" FTM was writing about was not the popular "Catholic" musician whose songs have become a staple in modern parishes, and, 2, that FTM's "negative" publicity was actually increasing sales of his "music."

Well, the way things work today, FTM has no doubt that the negative publicity is increasing sales - because that's the nature of the Amchurch beast. There are still too many homosexuals directing parish music programs.

But the "Dan Schutte" whose music is sung in thousands of parishes is an ex-Jesuit and he is a partnered gay man.

And affirmation of this comes from occasional Wanderer contributor, Dr. Brian J. Kopp, a Catholic in the Diocese of Altoona-Johnstown, who recently sent FTM some research he has completed on Schutte after he read that Schutte was to be a guest of the Diocese of Altoona-Johnstown.

When he learned that Schutte was to be a music workshop leader at Mt. Aloysius College, Dr. Kopp sent the following letter to the local Johnstown, Pa., Tribune Democrat, which was published September 9:

"To the Editor:

"It appears that the Diocese of Altoona-Johnstown is up to the same old tricks. On Saturday September 11 at Mount Aloysius College there will be a liturgical music workshop by the former St. Louis Jesuit priest Dan Schutte.

"Schutte is a leader of the dreadful movement in modern liturgical music that has changed the emphasis of our hymns from adoring, praising, and glorifying God to pridefully asserting how wonderful and faithful and loving and marvelous We ourselves are. A discerning eye will note how often these new hymns mention 'I' and 'My' and 'Us' and 'Our' far more often than the Holy Trinity, the Blessed Eucharist, God the Father, Jesus Christ, the angels and saints, or even the wages of sin or the grace that saved a wretch such as 'me.'

"More troubling is the fact that Schutte is no longer a priest but is now publicly identified as a partnered gay man. He is best known for his song, Here I am, Lord, a song that has become the anthem for the dissenting gay rights movement within the Catholic Church.

"There should be, and probably are, Church laws against Catholic dioceses and colleges sponsoring workshops by former priests living what most Catholics consider a scandalous lifestyle. But as one of our local pastors quipped, when asked why his parish was making a liturgical change that violated Canon Law, 'In this diocese, we don't obey Canon Law. We obey the bishop.'"

Immediately after that letter was published, Dr. Kopp informed FTM, a rumor began circulating that the Schutte mentioned in the letter is a mistaken identity and is not the ex-Jesuit priest and composer...."

One newspaper reader wrote Kopp: "We have done our own research on the matter of Dan Schutte and found some of the accusations false. There are two Dan Schuttes who live in the Milwaukee area and there are five who live in the San Francisco Bay Area. The Dan Schutte that is mentioned in the obituaries isn't the one we know. After contacting a friend in a high place at GIA, (not OCP) [Oregon Catholic Press, ed., the publisher of most of Schutte's music], I found out that there is not any truth to Dan Schutte being publicly partnered to a man. They actually said this Crux News.com article [a reprint of FTM's July 29 column] was having a reverse effect because in their words so many of the music directors in parishes (many who are gay) are now ordering more of Dan Schutte's music and they had heard of one parish using nothing but Dan Schutte music for two weeks. The 'martyr effect at play' they said...."

To dispel these rumors, Kopp informed FTM that an Internet search using VoyagerSearch finds:

"69. Mike Gale [Dan Schutte's partner]: Pilgrim Music was founded in 2002 by composer Dan Schutte after hearing time and again from folks in the pew how often they were frustrated by not being able to find his music, or that of other well known artists and composers, in the stores.

URL: http://www.pilgrimmusic.com

"The link goes to http://www.pilgrimmusic.com. Here is their Company History, according to their site:

"'Pilgrim Music was founded in 2002 by composer Dan Schutte after hearing time and again from "folks in the pew" how often they were frustrated by not being able to find his music, or that of other well known artists and composers, in the stores. There are many songs that have been standards, not only of worship, but have also become personal to many Christians in their journey of faith. In response, Dan and his associates have developed this site as a vehicle for folks to find music they might enjoy for their personal prayer, or simply to enjoy around the house or in the car as they go about their day. Much of the music you'll find on this site has been personally selected by Dan. We are continually increasing the number of collections we offer as we search for wonderful new music for prayer.

"A WHO IS search for PILGRIMMUSIC.COM reveals: Domain Name: PILGRIMMUSIC

Administrative Contact: Pilgrim Music, mike@mikegale.net; 231 Mullen Avenue, San Francisco, CA 94110; Phone: 415-505-6440

"On the Pilgrim Music website, their 'Contact Us' link provides an address of: 109 Franconia Street, San Francisco, CA 94110

"A WHO IS search for Dan Schutte's personal website, DANSCHUTTE.COM reveals: 'Domain Name:DANSCHUTTE.COM; Dan Schutte, 109 Franconia Street, San Francisco, CA 94110 Phone: 415-970-1500; fax..: 703-991-8203. Email: dan@danschutte.com

"Obviously," writes Dr. Kopp, both PILGRIMMUSIC.COM under the Administration of mike@mikegale.net and DANSCHUTTE.COM under the Administration of Dan Schutte list this same address, 109 Franconia Street, San Francisco, CA 94110.

"Unfortunately, given that: 1)Dan Schutte grew up in Milwaukee and is mentioned in two obituaries from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel stating the deceased is survived by a son, Dan (partner Mike Gale) of San Francisco. If Dan and Mike were only 'business' partners, the obit would probably not mention the 'partner' at all, or if they did, they would specify 'business' partner, for fear others would think their son was gay. Plus, the obits specifically mention Dan and his partner live in San Francisco. Two guys described as partners means only one thing in San Francisco, to my knowledge.

"2) Dan Schutte founded a website to sell his music, and that website is administered by a Mike Gale of San Francisco, and both share the same street address, and, 3) the public announcements that Schutte is a partnered gay man were published in print and on the internet in July, yet there has been no correction of this charge (to my knowledge) by Schutte, and so it appears that Dan Schutte, the former St. Louis Jesuit and composer is indeed presently 'partnered' with Mike Gale in San Francisco...."

That should end the disinformation campaign.

And kudos to Dr. Kopp, for taking information from The Wanderer to inform Catholics in his diocese, who would, naturally, not be aware of the not-so-hidden agenda of modern liturgical musicians.

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With that out of the way, may FTM propose St. John Cantius as a model for revitalizing parish life in the United States today?

St. John Cantius, founded in 1893, had 23,000 parishioners when the Great Depression hit, and in the following decades of social change its population steadily dwindled until the 1980s when the trends were reversed, largely through the direction of its pastor, Fr. Frank C. Phillips, who recognized that a parish is more than a fast-liturgy outlet for hour-a-week Catholics.

The heart of any parish, he understood, is the liturgy; but it also must provide education and formation for parishioners.

Because of the quality of liturgy at St. John Cantius - Masses include Latin Novus Ordo celebrations, as well as the Tridentine Rite - it began attracting a growing number of Catholics from across Chicago and surrounding areas, especially young men who aspired to the priesthood, and in 1998, Fr. Phillips founded the Society of St. John Cantius, a religious community of men dedicated to the restoration of the sacred in the context of parish ministry.

On December 23, 1999, Francis Cardinal George, Archbishop of Chicago, approved statutes for the Society.

The Society's mission, as explained in its published material, is to "cultivate authentic Catholic life that is rooted in the rich heritage of our faith, so as to promote a true Restoration of the Sacred within the Church....The Society considers the musical, ceremonial and artistic traditions, which have enhanced the liturgy throughout the centuries, as a particularly important part of the Church's patrimony that can help in the revitalization of the faith and the spread of the Gospel...."

Here is what the parish provides or offers:

* Six choirs - the Resurrection Choir, which specializes in classic Viennese Masses and other sacred music; the St. Cecilia Choir, which specializes in Renaissance polyphony; the Sine Nomine Choir, which specializes in small classical works in a liturgical setting; the Holy Innocents Choir, a young people's choir of varied sacred music; and the Cantate Domino Choir, a young people's choir that specializes in polyphonic Masses.

* Eight parish societies: St. Monica Sodality, which prays for the return of family members to the Church; the Confraternity of the Blessed Sacrament, to promote devotion and adoration of the Blessed Sacrament; the Padre Pio Prayer Group, dedicated to the canonized Capuchin Franciscan; the Ladies Rosary Sodality, which fosters devotion to the Rosary; the Knights of Columbus, for charitable works in the parish; and the St. Anne Apostolate, which offers spiritual programs for grandparents; and the Holy Name Society

* Educational and catechetical programs: in addition to a strong parish catechetical program (using the Ignatius Faith & Life series), the parish offers Latin 101, Latin 102, Latin Syntax and Rhetoric, Latin Readings, Greek 100, and Children's Latin, which offers the young people of the parish instruction in Latin prayers and hymns.

In addition, the parish has a library and book store, youth groups, a basement café for after-Mass gatherings, etc.

On May 18, 2004, Cardinal George ordained two men of the Society into the priesthood, and another into the diaconate - and more men of the parish are seminarians, preparing for the priesthood.

For those readers in the Chicago area, or planning a trip through, there is now a special attraction at St. John Cantius, a faithful replica of the famous Wit Stwosz altarpiece of Krakow, Poland.

The original altarpiece, built over a 12-year period from 1477 to 1489 by the master carver of Nuremberg, Wit Stwosz, features a five-part polychromed and gilded limewood sculpture depicting the life of the Virgin Mary.

The reproduction, commissioned by Fr. Phillips in 1995, was carved by Polish master carver Michal Batkiewicz over eight years, and is one-third the size of the original, but every bit as stunning - as anyone can see by visiting the Society's web site, at www.cantius.org or by writing the parish and asking for copies of their literature (there is a special brochure, in full color, on the pentatych, including the newsletter, Via Sacra, at The Society of St. John Cantius, 825 North Carpenter, Chicago, Ill., 60622-3654.

Sunday Masses, by the way, are at 7:30 a.m. (Tridentine Low Mass, Latin); 9 a.m. Missa Normativa (English); 11 a.m. Missa Normativa (Latin) and 12:30 p.m. Tridentine High Mass. Confessions are available upon request, at 4:30 p.m. on Saturdays, and before all Sunday Masses.

This is a model parish, one that should be setting the trend for the Church in the United States; it works, it is thriving, it is attracting more and more people to, not only the parish, but the Catholic Church all the time; it is producing priests for the archdiocese (and priests who will, inevitably, be working in more parishes in the archdiocese as the priest shortage intensifies), and it is promoting the Church's greatest possessions: truth and beauty.

Why, after more than 30 years of liturgical and doctrinal chaos, the U.S. bishops do not take the Society of St. John Cantius and the parish as a model for the revitalization of the entire U.S. Church, FTM cannot understand.

But there will always be mysteries.....


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To: sinkspur; SuziQ; thor76
Re: Code words in Novus Ordo music?

You may very well consider thor76’s idea over the top but none of this would be a problem if they were following what Vatican II said on the matter. We get attacked left and right, mostly from the left, for not respecting Vatican II so how come there is so little Gregorian chant around? I am beginning to suspect folks do not want to address this. Could it be because the NO is picking and choosing what it likes from Vatican II, past church documents and even early church practices, while ignoring what they dislike? Seems like itchy ears to me.

By the way complains about homophobic references on FR will be a big problem if you start this now. Have you seen the anti-homosexual references on the political forum. Woe daddy! 20-40% of the posts will have to be pulled.
51 posted on 09/24/2004 8:51:24 AM PDT by Mark in the Old South
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To: sinkspur
Re: "There is a vileness that has come to dominate this forum from those who despise the Church, the Pope, and the Mass that you and I attend."

I do not hate any of the things you site, I just wish they would do a better job. I used to get this from junior personnel in the Navy. If they got a low rating on something, even when they knew it was their weak area, they would whine that I did not like them. They could not understand a person giving a low rating to someone they liked while giving a high rating to someone that they did not like. How I felt about the person, as a person, had nothing to do with how well they were doing their job. I always considered it a mark of immaturity.

I can not speak for everyone but I am sure many (not all) have no desire to speculate about any proclivities you may have. I just don't want to think about it if you do not mind.

Ewwwwweewwwwwww brain must be scrubbed. I need some brain candy. ;-)
52 posted on 09/24/2004 9:01:27 AM PDT by Mark in the Old South
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To: Mark in the Old South
I can not speak for everyone but I am sure many (not all) have no desire to speculate about any proclivities you may have. I just don't want to think about it if you do not mind.

What in hell is this supposed to mean?

You speak of immaturity, then come out with this sophomoric remark?

Are you schizo?

53 posted on 09/24/2004 9:06:01 AM PDT by sinkspur ("John Kerry's gonna win on his juices. "--Cardinal Fanfani)
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To: Dominick; broadsword; Pio; pascendi; Canticle_of_Deborah; ELS; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Having the same address on whois doesn't mean that is your residence.

Hmmm.......I guess you must be correct. Having two things, organizations, or persons at the same address does not mean anything.

Like the two obviously gay men who direct the choir at the local parish church. They happen to share the same address. They happen to share the same phone number. They are regulalrly seen prancing through the local supermarket together.

But of course, all this is meaninless - and proves nothing. They could not possibly be "partnered".

Or, let's take another innocent coincidental situation. Xavier High School in NYC, and the Church of St. Francis Xavier. Both happen to be run by the Jesuits. Both share a common residence for the clergy. Both happen to share a common street address/mailing address: 30 West 16th Street.

As students there in the 70s discovered to their horror, the infamous gay group DIGNITY was founded by Jesuits at 30 West 16th Street.This group held its gay masses at 30 West 16th Street. It held its meeting, planned stretgy, and held social events at 30 West 16th Street. The identity of the Jesuit members, organizers and planners of DIGNITY and the identity of certain faculty members at Xavier High School comprises a list of identical names.

But of course, this is all mere coincidence......is, by itself meaningless, and proves nothing.

Pardon me while I roll on the floor and laugh myself silly.


54 posted on 09/24/2004 9:44:10 AM PDT by thor76 (Vade retro, Draco! Crux sacra sit mihi lux!)
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To: sinkspur
I was referring to your post to Thor76, I got the impression YOU thought HE was making such a reference. See your post to suzyQ. That is the Hell I am referring. I hope it answers your question. I was also referring to the immaturity of those who worked for me in the past but it seemed relevant now as well. Some people can not understand the difference between liking someone or some institution and their views on their performance. Many (but not all) times it is a reflection on the maturity level.

:-O
Oh my!! You didn't think I meant you did you?
55 posted on 09/24/2004 9:48:29 AM PDT by Mark in the Old South
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To: dsc

Having the same address on whois doesn't mean that is your residence.

Agreed. And the same should apply to pianos, and electronic/casio keyboards. The instrument to be used for sacred music is the organ - with the pipe organ (not electronic gizmo)as the instrument of choice.

Such is clearly indicated in the beloved documents of Vatican II.

On your elimination list I would also include, rocks, sticks, percussion instruments in general, anything which uses and amplifier, a whole wealth of bizzare primitive things from tribes of the rain forests of South America; wind chimes, and two hands clapping.


56 posted on 09/24/2004 9:50:02 AM PDT by thor76 (Vade retro, Draco! Crux sacra sit mihi lux!)
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To: netmilsmom; All

hah! WHen I go to the dreaded local parish with my family, there are enough of us to fill our own pew, so we are spared the handholding frenzy at the Peace. However, we are forced to witness what we like to call " raincatching": a whole sanctuary filled with people who appear to believe either a) they are concelebrating priests, or b)that it's raining and the roof is leaking. Either way, we refuse to participate. It's just too silly.


57 posted on 09/24/2004 9:52:47 AM PDT by Temple Drake
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To: heartwood; dsc

I can't believe anyone wants to buy his music

If you want an even more nauseating image, just picture a bunch of bearded & balding Jesuits in casual clothes "gathered" around an altar swaying, holding hands, and singing it, while exchanging meaninful glances with each other, and smiling.........

You just get to imagine the picture I painted above.....I have seen it in living color.


58 posted on 09/24/2004 10:05:38 AM PDT by thor76 (Vade retro, Draco! Crux sacra sit mihi lux!)
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To: AskStPhilomena
This is a model parish, one that should be setting the trend for the Church in the United States; it works, it is thriving, it is attracting more and more people to, not only the parish, but the Catholic Church all the time; it is producing priests for the archdiocese (and priests who will, inevitably, be working in more parishes in the archdiocese as the priest shortage intensifies), and it is promoting the Church's greatest possessions: truth and beauty.

Very bright news. Fr. Phillips reportedly has more traditional priests than he knows what to do with since they only serve that one parish.

59 posted on 09/24/2004 11:07:40 AM PDT by Grey Ghost II
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To: thor76; broadsword; Pio; pascendi; Canticle_of_Deborah; ELS; Convert from ECUSA; sinkspur; ...
Having the same address on whois doesn't mean that is your residence.

Hmmm.......I guess you must be correct. Having two things, organizations, or persons at the same address does not mean anything


Do you have any idea what whois is used for? This is possibly a business office. I don't know and neither do you. I am not willing to charge a person with homosexuality without some proof.

Like the two obviously gay men who direct the choir at the local parish church. They happen to share the same address.

Is this Dan Schutte? So far nobody has posted anything I can hang my hat on.

The identity of the Jesuit members, organizers and planners of DIGNITY and the identity of certain faculty members at Xavier High School comprises a list of identical names.

You can look up Dignity and see it is homosexual. This would be a linkage. A Gay group and a High School shall not be co-located. Schutte and Pilgrim music use the same address for a website. Schutte writes the music and Gale sells it through Pilgrim Music. That is a licit linkage.

I looked it up, and it appears the house would be right next to I-80. I don't think he would want to like next to a highway, the University is a long way from there too, and other fashionable districts are not close by. I think whois found their ISP. I couldn't match names and addresses.

But of course, this is all mere coincidence......is, by itself meaningless, and proves nothing.

Pardon me while I roll on the floor and laugh myself silly.


If you have something tangible, something I can look at and and even raise my eyebrows at I would be happy to agree. Heck, I would start making waves at the parish level here, we would not want to have someone with a secret life doing Liturgy. You have a foregone conclusion, and it is immoral for you to accuse someone of a serious disorder like homosexuality without something tangible. If I had proof I would come to a conclusion myself.

Going around in a public forum and pointing fingers is not right without something concrete. Produce it please.
60 posted on 09/24/2004 11:21:10 AM PDT by Dominick ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
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To: thor76

Bongos. Don't forget bongos. Also those shaking, rattling gourd-like things. I can't remember what they are called. All very indigenous people affiliated instruments.


61 posted on 09/24/2004 11:31:48 AM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah (lex orandi, lex credendi)
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To: Dominick; .45MAN; AAABEST; AKA Elena; al_c; american colleen; Angelus Errare; annalex; Annie03; ...
Produce it please.

It appears Dr. Kopp did his homework...this is from his blog:

The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel Online              www.jsonline.com               Return to regular view

Original URL: http://www.jsonline.com/classifieds/deathnotices/deathnotice.asp?id=59829

Schutte, Richard H.

Publication Date: April 7, 2002
Of Phoenix, AZ, was called home to God on Sat., March 23, 2002. Dick was born the son of Larry and the late Marie Schutte of Elm Grove, WI on May 8, 1951. He is survived by his father and his brother, Dan (partner, Mike Gale) of San Francisco. Visitation at ST. MARY'S CATHOLIC CHURCH, 1260 Church St., Elm Grove, Wed., April 10, 9-10:30 AM. Mass of Christian Burial at 10:30 AM. Burial St. Mary's Cemetery, Elm Grove. condolences to www.krausefuneralhome.com KRAUSE FUNERAL HOME and Cremation Services 9000 W. CAPITOL DR. 414-464-4640


The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel Online              www.jsonline.com               Return to regular view

Original URL: http://www.jsonline.com/classifieds/deathnotices/deathnotice.asp?id=28199

Schutte, Marie

Publication Date: July 12, 2000
Of Elm Grove. Was called home to God on July 10, 2000. She is survived by her husband of fifty three years, Larry, her son, Dick of Phoenix and her son, Dan and his partner Mike Gale of San Francisco. She was born the daughter of Gert and Harry Van Himbergen and sister of Ann, Harry, George, Jack, Fran, Louise, Jeanne, Kathleen and Dick. Visitation Friday, July 14 at St. Mary's Church Elm Grove, 1260 Church Street, from 9:00 AM until the Mass of Christian Burial at 10:30 AM with Fr. Dan Pakenham officiating. Burial St. Mary's Cemetery, Elm Grove.

BECKER RITTER Michael Feerick Associate Brookfield 262-782-5330



62 posted on 09/24/2004 11:38:33 AM PDT by St. Johann Tetzel
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To: Dominick; .45MAN; AAABEST; AKA Elena; al_c; american colleen; Angelus Errare; annalex; Annie03; ...
Produce it please.

It appears Dr. Kopp did his homework...this is from his blog:

The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel Online              www.jsonline.com               Return to regular view

Original URL: http://www.jsonline.com/classifieds/deathnotices/deathnotice.asp?id=59829

Schutte, Richard H.

Publication Date: April 7, 2002
Of Phoenix, AZ, was called home to God on Sat., March 23, 2002. Dick was born the son of Larry and the late Marie Schutte of Elm Grove, WI on May 8, 1951. He is survived by his father and his brother, Dan (partner, Mike Gale) of San Francisco. Visitation at ST. MARY'S CATHOLIC CHURCH, 1260 Church St., Elm Grove, Wed., April 10, 9-10:30 AM. Mass of Christian Burial at 10:30 AM. Burial St. Mary's Cemetery, Elm Grove. condolences to www.krausefuneralhome.com KRAUSE FUNERAL HOME and Cremation Services 9000 W. CAPITOL DR. 414-464-4640


The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel Online              www.jsonline.com               Return to regular view

Original URL: http://www.jsonline.com/classifieds/deathnotices/deathnotice.asp?id=28199

Schutte, Marie

Publication Date: July 12, 2000
Of Elm Grove. Was called home to God on July 10, 2000. She is survived by her husband of fifty three years, Larry, her son, Dick of Phoenix and her son, Dan and his partner Mike Gale of San Francisco. She was born the daughter of Gert and Harry Van Himbergen and sister of Ann, Harry, George, Jack, Fran, Louise, Jeanne, Kathleen and Dick. Visitation Friday, July 14 at St. Mary's Church Elm Grove, 1260 Church Street, from 9:00 AM until the Mass of Christian Burial at 10:30 AM with Fr. Dan Pakenham officiating. Burial St. Mary's Cemetery, Elm Grove.

BECKER RITTER Michael Feerick Associate Brookfield 262-782-5330



63 posted on 09/24/2004 11:38:44 AM PDT by St. Johann Tetzel
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To: Dominick; .45MAN; AAABEST; AKA Elena; al_c; american colleen; Angelus Errare; annalex; Annie03; ...
Produce it please.

It appears Dr. Kopp did his homework...this is from his blog:

The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel Online              www.jsonline.com               Return to regular view

Original URL: http://www.jsonline.com/classifieds/deathnotices/deathnotice.asp?id=59829

Schutte, Richard H.

Publication Date: April 7, 2002
Of Phoenix, AZ, was called home to God on Sat., March 23, 2002. Dick was born the son of Larry and the late Marie Schutte of Elm Grove, WI on May 8, 1951. He is survived by his father and his brother, Dan (partner, Mike Gale) of San Francisco. Visitation at ST. MARY'S CATHOLIC CHURCH, 1260 Church St., Elm Grove, Wed., April 10, 9-10:30 AM. Mass of Christian Burial at 10:30 AM. Burial St. Mary's Cemetery, Elm Grove. condolences to www.krausefuneralhome.com KRAUSE FUNERAL HOME and Cremation Services 9000 W. CAPITOL DR. 414-464-4640


The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel Online              www.jsonline.com               Return to regular view

Original URL: http://www.jsonline.com/classifieds/deathnotices/deathnotice.asp?id=28199

Schutte, Marie

Publication Date: July 12, 2000
Of Elm Grove. Was called home to God on July 10, 2000. She is survived by her husband of fifty three years, Larry, her son, Dick of Phoenix and her son, Dan and his partner Mike Gale of San Francisco. She was born the daughter of Gert and Harry Van Himbergen and sister of Ann, Harry, George, Jack, Fran, Louise, Jeanne, Kathleen and Dick. Visitation Friday, July 14 at St. Mary's Church Elm Grove, 1260 Church Street, from 9:00 AM until the Mass of Christian Burial at 10:30 AM with Fr. Dan Pakenham officiating. Burial St. Mary's Cemetery, Elm Grove.

BECKER RITTER Michael Feerick Associate Brookfield 262-782-5330



64 posted on 09/24/2004 11:38:54 AM PDT by St. Johann Tetzel
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To: Temple Drake

>>However, we are forced to witness what we like to call " raincatching": a whole sanctuary filled with people who appear to believe either a) they are concelebrating priests, or b)that it's raining and the roof is leaking<<

Could someone please tell me where this crazy idea came from? I never saw it until I moved to MI.


65 posted on 09/24/2004 11:41:54 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: Dominick; Pio; pascendi; pro Athanasius; Maeve; Robert Drobot; Canticle_of_Deborah; ELS; ...

No, it is not Dan Schutte, and has nothing to do with him. The situation described is not even in the same state. But the two men described refer to each other as their "partner". That sews it up nicely.

The purpose of bringing it up was to point out a blatent example of "partnering" and the coincidence of address, which you raised. I raised it as an anonymous example - and it shall remain that way: anonymous.

You can look up Dignity and see it is homosexual. This would be a linkage. A Gay group and a High School shall not be co-located.

REALLY???? You're kidding! No!!!! (feinging shock!)

There is no need for any further conclusive proof regarding DIGNITY and what I referred to. That situation continued overtly for 12 years, until suppressed by Cardinal O 'Connor. While DIGNITY has "officially" moved to other quarters, it still exists at the location named, in spirit. The parish was transformed by the Jesuits into a very large and very openly gay/gay friendly parish.


66 posted on 09/24/2004 11:55:01 AM PDT by thor76 (Vade retro, Draco! Crux sacra sit mihi lux!)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah

I think you mean either/or maracas or the guerro (Spelling???).

Perhaps we could add to the list - to quote William Billings, the first native born American composer: "....the braying of a mule, the squeeling of a pig, the sound of a wet finger on a pane of glass......."

Then of course we have forgotten tambourine, castenets, finger cymbals.......all of which I was told by a music director in one church that: "they are good for liturgy".


67 posted on 09/24/2004 12:04:05 PM PDT by thor76 (Vade retro, Draco! Crux sacra sit mihi lux!)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah

We had a Ukelele and guitar combo at our noon mass. Yuck!

Maybe that's why we don't have a noon mass anymore.


68 posted on 09/24/2004 12:04:15 PM PDT by sneakers
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To: thor76; sneakers

It might be the maracas. That sounds familiar. It was a nun who told me. She also played the tambourine :-D


69 posted on 09/24/2004 12:11:37 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah (lex orandi, lex credendi)
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To: sneakers
We are a divided church in more ways than one.

Yes we are.

Of Peace and Justice and Democratic Talking Points

70 posted on 09/24/2004 12:13:02 PM PDT by Mike Bates (You're getting drowsy. You will buy my book, you will buy my book, you will buy my book. . .)
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To: St. Johann Tetzel
This was refuted as being the wrong person, but there is a Gale and Schutte association. Is there more?
71 posted on 09/24/2004 12:15:32 PM PDT by Dominick ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
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To: Mike Bates

Thanks for the link Mike.

BTW - I'm putting your book on my Christmas list!


72 posted on 09/24/2004 12:32:18 PM PDT by sneakers
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To: sneakers

BLESS you, child. :)


73 posted on 09/24/2004 12:33:33 PM PDT by Mike Bates (You're getting drowsy. You will buy my book, you will buy my book, you will buy my book. . .)
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To: St. Johann Tetzel

16 september blog entry:

http://vivificat.cybercatholics.com/blog/2004_09_01_vivificat_archive.html


74 posted on 09/24/2004 12:40:14 PM PDT by Dominick ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
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To: thor76
As a matter of fact, and quick peek in the door of a gay bar, or at the tv program "Queer eye for the Straight Guy", or the Christopher Lowell show tells it all

My wife refuses to believe that Christopher Lowell is gay. She says he's just effeminate and that he has a wife. I know that's not the topic of this thread, but do you have other information about this? This has become a running joke in our family for a couple of years now - the kids and I tease her about it all the time.

75 posted on 09/24/2004 1:01:42 PM PDT by old and tired
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To: SuziQ
Yes, much of it is pedestrian, but at least it gets people used to singing, and they can be convinced to sing other BETTER music later on.

Actually, they can sing BETTER music right away--e.g., most of what's in the Collegeville hymnal, or in the St Michael Hymnal, or in Hymns, Psalms, and Spiritual Canticles.

NEVER underestimate a congregation. That's called condescension.

76 posted on 09/24/2004 2:49:36 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: Dominick

I'm from Milwaukee, and I ought to know...

Trust me, that's the infamous DannyBoy. He pranced around here for a while after leaving the Jebs, then went off to SF which surprised NOBODY.

He shows up once in a while in places I avoid because I don't carry a can of spray Lysol...


77 posted on 09/24/2004 2:53:55 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: SuziQ; Desdemona
and it enhances their worship of God. Isn't that what music is supposed to do?

Nope.

Properly understood, liturgical music should "glorify God and raise the minds and hearts of the Faithful to God." (Pius X, Tra le Soll.)

Your understanding is elliptical, not aligned with the definition.

78 posted on 09/24/2004 2:57:16 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: heartwood

It could be worse. Imagine Cat Stevens singing that blasted pile of insipidity, which would fit...

And as a matter of fact, "PilgrimMusic" was started precisely because NOBODY wants to buy Schutte's crap--most hymnals have only a few of his doodoodrippings remaining.

That's why the Arizona publishing outfit was started, too. OCP and GIA wouldn't take any more of it...


79 posted on 09/24/2004 3:03:45 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: dsc
and targets it with at least a dozen RPGs.

How about 1500 meters with a Barrett .50?

Or Barrett's newest offering, a 25MM (!!!) HE-tipped, shoulder-fired target accuracy to 2500 meters at 2600 fps?

80 posted on 09/24/2004 3:09:42 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: thor76
The instrument to be used for sacred music is the organ - with the pipe organ (not electronic gizmo)as the instrument of choice.

Correct.

It should be a pipe organ. The Congregation of Sacred Rites specified this a number of times when turning down the requests from the Hammond Organ Company in the late 1930's and through most of the 1940's.

The Congregation of Sacred Rites, however, approved the use of the Hammond Organ @ 1948 if I recall correctly using the "usual excuse" that was employed to sew the seeds for V2 on various and sundry issues: destruction of churches in WW II, lost of male populace, cost of replacement, etc.

This excuse was also used to introduce evening Masses (for the same day) @ 1952, mitigation and lessening of the Eucharistic Fast, and also permitting women in the choir, 12-25-55.

Of course the document never at all addressed Pope Saint Pius X's pronouncement of 11-22-03 that since the choir **AT MASS** substituted for the clergy, it could only be composed of males - the same as for acolytes.

The future Pope Pius X was involved with this issue for over 20 years on various commisions under Pope Leo XIII and as Cardinal Patriarch of Venice in his archdiocese he also banned all women musicians including organists.

Women in the congregation, as were men, were urged to sing, in other liturgical services and devotions such as Vespers, BUT NOT IN THE MASS!!!

P.S. In the preamble of his document of 11-22-03 it is , "actuosa communicatio", actuated communication in uniting oneself with the priest in offering Christ, the Victim, to the Father. It is NOT 'active participation', which commonly appears in the usual intentionally incorrect mistranslations.

This intentional mistranslation of two words in this preamble was used as justification for all that followed in the 20th century.

81 posted on 09/24/2004 4:16:54 PM PDT by Viva Christo Rey
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To: ninenot

"OCP and GIA wouldn't take any more of it..."

Based on their website, it appears as if they just took a bunch more of it. Advent and Christmas music a-la-schutte, just what we need.

http://www.ocp.org/en/index.php


82 posted on 09/24/2004 4:23:23 PM PDT by rogator
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To: Viva Christo Rey; dsc; rogator; ELS; Maeve; Pio; pascendi; pro Athanasius; Canticle_of_Deborah; ...

Thank you for posting that!

Now before someone who does not know any better claims that you, the church, or several popes are women haters, let's examine the reason for the prohibtion of women in choirs and as musicians.

A choir is properly composed of clerics (or major and/or minor orders), or religious. Lay persons were not admitted to choirs at first, as it was a liturgical office - which properly belongs to men. The use of non ordained men as singers was restricted to seminarians, scholastics, students......hence the developement of the boy choir.

At first the choir sang "in choir" - in stalls provided fro them, either in, or just outside the altar rail - depending on whether they were composed of clerics/religious, or lay persons (boy choirs).

It was only at a much later date that choirs were moved to a read gallery. Why? Because they were exclusively compoased of lay persons, who were not allowed in the sanctuary, and secondly becuase the were placed in the back loft so as not to be a visual distraction at mass.

Their role was liturgical - not that of a concert performance!

So why not women? Firstly - when a choir was located in or near the chancel of a church, women were not allowed in the chancel/sanctuary AT ALL. Secondly, a woman singing in public would have been a cause of grave scandal, as she would be a distraction & possible occasion of sin for the eyes. This is also why a woman was to cover her hair/head in church - humility....and that her glory (her hair) not be a distraction.

Once choirs were relagated to a rear gallery the presense of a woman would no longer be an occasion of sin to men in the congregation (as they were supposed to be looking at the altar). But, she would be a distraction to men in the choir. Also, there is still the problem of a woman holding and exercising aliturgical function at public mass.

The only exception to this might have been in monastaries of women relgious. The would sing their office in common. And if they utilised a choir for daily or Sunday mass, it was of their members.The only male present would have been the priest - and possibly an acolyte from the local parish to act as a server.

The ultimate bases for this is in the fact that Christ did not extend any type of priestly ministry to women. Also, we have the words of St. Paul in his epistles.

My apologies to the ladies....but these are the facts as I know them to be. Besides, a woman had enough work to do in making a home, raising children, and cleaning up after the lazy lump of flesh which is her husband!

The real work of women in the church was that of the teaching of children in the home - of setting their feet on the path of righteousness. That is more then enough work.....and sometimes even superhuman!

Patriarchy? Perhaps.......but who REALLY runs the home? For that, women should get the credit they deserve!


83 posted on 09/24/2004 4:45:32 PM PDT by thor76 (Vade retro, Draco! Crux sacra sit mihi lux!)
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To: thor76; All

"Secondly, a woman singing in public would have been a cause of grave scandal, as she would be a distraction & possible occasion of sin for the eyes. This is also why a woman was to cover her hair/head in church - humility....and that her glory (her hair) not be a distraction. "
Not to go off topic completely, but I want to add that St. Charles Borromeo demanded that his priests(he was archibishop of Milan and a major architect of the Counter-Reformation)be clean shaven -- for similar reasons. These days, we are obliged to look at all sorts of weird facial fur-growth at the altar -- and I don't just mean the mustached sisters. Satanic Van Dyke whiskers may be popular among pro baseball players -- but on priests, they are just nasty and to my mind signify a deeply inappropriate devotion to grooming in order to stand out, not blend in.


84 posted on 09/24/2004 5:07:15 PM PDT by Temple Drake
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To: Temple Drake; rogator; dsc; Pio; pascendi; Canticle_of_Deborah; broadsword; Maeve; ELS; ...

St. Charles Borromeo may well have had one thing in mind when he made the prohibition against facial hair: VANITY.

Indeed, a priest who grows facial hair - and I have yet to meet one who was not meticulously groomed - do spend an inordinate amount of time grooming themselves.

The same might be said to apply to haircuts. I see all too many priests who obviously spend much more money on a haircut then I do. This is that same problem: vanity.

Similar with the abandonment of the habit - for preists and religious.

One rarely sees a priest in a cassock - anywhere - much less on the street. On the day of his ordination he was set apart from all other men. Even if he does not take a vow of poverty, he should be not caught up in maintaining his personal appearance.

He exists to help souls find the way to salvation - not to find Brooks Brothers! The habit has a very good reason: humility, sublimation of the self.

Universal vows of poverty for all clergy would be far better - of material sufficiency. They may have only what they truly need for care of body, and the performance of their duties. They should only own something if it is necessary - and not of harm to their souls.

But as Our Lady said at LaSallette - the clergy have become lax, prideful, and seek only after riches and honors. And that was nearly 150 years ago!


85 posted on 09/24/2004 6:25:26 PM PDT by thor76 (Vade retro, Draco! Crux sacra sit mihi lux!)
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To: ninenot
Your understanding is elliptical, not aligned with the definition.

Most folks wouldn't make much of a distinction between the two, they just enjoy singing and believe they're Praising God when they do.

86 posted on 09/24/2004 6:32:48 PM PDT by SuziQ (Bush in 2004-Because we MUST!!!)
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To: afraidfortherepublic; dsc
Music had all but disappeared from regular parish masses before Vatican II. Unless it was a "high" Mass for a special occasion, such as Easter or Christmas, the standard was that NO music was offered and no hymns were sung.

Actually, the main Sunday Mass, pre-Vatican II, was supposed to be a Sung Mass (Missa Cantata) while daily Masses were Low Masses. The "special occasion" Masses would have been Solemn High Masses which had a priest celebrant, a deacon, and a subdeacon and musical accompaniment. This was the ideal. It may not have been the reality in every parish.

87 posted on 09/24/2004 6:56:01 PM PDT by ELS
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To: Hermann the Cherusker

Could this mistake be caused by a conversion from Cyrillic into English letters?


88 posted on 09/24/2004 9:38:10 PM PDT by TradicalRC (Character only matters when its a democrat.)
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To: SuziQ

I have to confess, I have walked out of Mass when they started singing some sort of folk/calypso nonsense. There is not a single hymn written in the last fifty years that does anything but leave me spiritually drained. I am a traditionalist who faithfully attends the Novus Ordo, but there like here, I find very little charity for orthodox Catholic tradition.


89 posted on 09/24/2004 9:43:41 PM PDT by TradicalRC (Character only matters when its a democrat.)
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To: TradicalRC

Why would a German's name be written in Cyrillic?

FTM is showing his usual ethnic biases, and in "Der Wanderer" no less. His colored judgement makes him difficult to believe.


90 posted on 09/24/2004 9:54:29 PM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Hermann the Cherusker

I hadn't a clue as to the nationality, it merely sounded slavic. I have seen Doestoyevsky's name spelled several different ways and I assumed it was because of the different alphabet.


91 posted on 09/24/2004 10:08:55 PM PDT by TradicalRC (Character only matters when its a democrat.)
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To: thor76

The change in the discipline of Pius XII on 12/25/55, also referred to as 'the musicians' Christmas present' formed the underlying canonical changes which allowed altar-girls.

As you know, the change for church choirs was a practical matter; AFAIK, driven principally by US bishops (but it could have been Europeans as well.)


92 posted on 09/25/2004 5:43:20 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: ninenot

I don't want to really argue, but there are some people out there who do like and do buy Dan Schuette's material. I haven't quite figured out why, but there are people who do like it.

My complaint is that they seem to think this is actually well-written music when placed beside Praetorius or Bach. It's like comparing Danielle Steele to Jane Austen.


93 posted on 09/25/2004 5:45:28 AM PDT by Desdemona
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To: SuziQ
Most folks wouldn't make much of a distinction between the two, they just enjoy singing and believe they're Praising God when they do.

The least the composers could do is write music in a tessitura that actualy compliments the voice.

One of the things you need to remember about church music is that it can be very ephemeral and only the best of any one period survives to teach the next generations what music can do in the way of adding to worship. We're witnessing that first hand with the Jesuit stuff. Most of it was (and is) plain and simply badly written and it is (thankfully) going by the wayside. Not much of it is going to survive the current generation because it's just bad, leaving us with the great classics and chant.

94 posted on 09/25/2004 5:55:19 AM PDT by Desdemona
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To: SuziQ

Education is the #2 duty of the church musician. I'm acquainted with a large number of them who think otherwise and they are simply wrong.

Nowadays, we call educating the faithful "sharing our gift." Vince Lombardi, the hero for educators, would have called it discipline for excellence.

Another loss following American affluence--the loss of the understanding of first things.


95 posted on 09/25/2004 6:08:36 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: ELS; afraidfortherepublic

I can point to a few dozens of parishes in Milwaukee which maintained two or three choirs (the adult choir being one, then one or two grade-school choirs) which sang for the Sunday and daily 'missa cantata' prior to 1965.

Milwaukee was unusually blessed, as the godfather of church music up here (John Singenberger) was educated at Regensburg, the home of the last major Church music reform (1880's.)

He stopped briefly in Cincinnatti, then came here and taught at the Seminary, but also was responsible for promoting good parish-level church music programs all around the Diocese. He was also regarded as a 'pretty-good' composer of church music; a good deal of his ouevre is still used in Milwaukee.

Milwaukee had a very active group of parish musicians which met regularly and during every other summer would also have a 3-day seminar; guest lecturer/workshop leaders included Roger Wagner and Paul Salamunovich, not to mention our own Sr. Theophane (Hytrek), OSF.

After 1965, but particularly after the arrival of Rembert, the deterioration in standards and mission was clear. Now we see parish "directors of music" whose BS in Knitting Arts and continuing education in "music" consists of learning about maracas and Bo Diddley hits.

Ah, well.


96 posted on 09/25/2004 6:20:33 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: Hermann the Cherusker

I suspect the difference comes from the phoneticization of the name across-the-border; not different from the "Auschwitz/Oswieczim" spelling difference.


97 posted on 09/25/2004 6:23:15 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: Desdemona

Schutte has actually written a couple of decent pieces of music. The biggest difficulty with him is that only rarely does he write decent music AND use lyrics which are doctrinally orthodox and unambiguous.

As you astutely observe, this, too, shall pass. His music, like that of others which is 'au courant,' has a stylistic mark--a sort of dispassionate glamor--glossy, but no substance--which cannot endure.

Even Faure's Requiem, as laid-back a funeral mass as there is, had more passion and underlying BELIEF than DannyBoy's stuff.


98 posted on 09/25/2004 7:30:22 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: ninenot
I suspect the difference comes from the phoneticization of the name across-the-border; not different from the "Auschwitz/Oswieczim" spelling difference.

Why phoneticize a German's name into Polish for American readers?

The only reason this is done is because Poles like to pretend that Veit Stoss (and many other Germans who had accomplishments in what is now Poland) were Polish. To subscribe to such nonesense makes ones credibility and judgement very questionable.

99 posted on 09/25/2004 7:58:40 AM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Hermann the Cherusker

When we get a German Pope, all that will be fixed.

Not to worry.


100 posted on 09/25/2004 9:52:07 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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