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To: aft_lizard; Calpernia; GeronL; struwwelpeter; dead; nw_arizona_granny; MarMema; Rebelbase; ...
I apologize for not answering many posts on this thread. I read long articles very slowly, and I need help with translation, so I awaited this.

I am surprised to see so many who suffer for Russia!

Perhaps you didn't know that lots of Chechnens live in Kazakhstan, where I lived. They were there since the days they were moved by Stalin. Therefore I know a lot, not just from the papers, but from people who travel to there to the funerals of their close relatives.

Some say that the Chechnens blew up buildings in Moscow. This is the official version, but ther real thing is that the FSB organized the explosions in order to start a new war in Chechnya, because Putin had such a low rating, and nothing could raise this rating as fast as a war.

Some say that this can't be true, that it's too horrible, but that's how it is. It became known after an apartment in Ryazan was warned about a similar bomb. I saw the television article where residents told about how it all happened. There were some government representatives who lied and got lost in their own lies.

I talked to a lawyer by the name of Karinna Moskvalenko who is trying to defend those who sufferered during the apartment blasts (perhaps you heard this name, she's also defending Khodorkovskiy now). Karinna said that the people were so frightened that they were afraid to go in their building, they talked on the street, while some men in black masks came and beat up residents for calling the police.

The lawyer Mikhail Trepashkin had the case of Alena and Tatiana Morozovaya, who lost their mother in a Moscow building blast. Alena was at home and through a miracle survived, while Tatiana was living married in the US. When Trepashkin dug up evidence that the blasts were organized by the FSB, he was arrested. They stopped his car, asked him to open up for an inspection, threw a pistol in and then arrested him for an illegal weapon. During the investigation it turned out that the pistol couldn't fit in the place where the agents said they "found" it, but they held Trepashkino anyhow. Well, and why I am rambling about Trepashkin!

Remember the court case in England against Akhmed Zakaev?

Apparently the Russian government didn't try to organize the evidence of his guilt and it just fell apart like a house of cards. They confused the English court with one of their own "kangaroo" ones (that's how one American lawyer characterized the Russian court).

Did you know that according to statistics every third resident of Chechnya is now a "peacekeeper", but there never was any order, no? Did you know that during the "elections" Kadirov got 105% of the votes in some regions? Did you know that the Chechnens from Nord-Ost wanted to let all of the foreigners go, but the Kremlin assistant chief of staff said that they were against it?

Remember how you felt, WHAT I felt when I heard this on the radio? Probably you never knew, because this is not the "official version", and now, everyone are saying that the Russian government did everything possible to rescue us.

Did you know that the foreigner Oleg Zhirov, who lost his wife at Nord-Ost, started a case against the Russian government? He said that if only Russia would ask forgiveness for the death of his wife, that he'd drop the case, but Russia refused to ask forgiveness.

Likewise, no one from the Russian government has ever excused themselves to me, never expressed sympathy, they simply wrote me off - and that's all.

Did you know that Movsar Baraev was only 12 years old when the war in Chechnya began? As far as I know, at that age kids in the US aren't even allowed to stay home alone.

I talked with another Chechen. During the first war he didn't fight, but he took up arms in the second, because a person can't, a person shouldn't live in a war forever.

After Nord-Ost Maskhadov declared that they wouldn't take hostages ever again, they'd only blow things up. And then women started exploding and exploding.

One of these women named Muzhakhoeva was arrested. Did you know that during the last ten years 38 of her close relations have died, eight of them women?

And people in Chechnya are not alone in this suffering. On the evening of March 25th, in the town of Ordzhonikidzevsaya in Ingutiya, on the first day of the school holiday, a group of high school seniors had gathered on the edge of the river, which flowed through the city center. At 11 PM, helicopters flew over and fired rockets at them. One boy was killed on the spot, two others were seriously injured - one of whom became a complete invalid.

Ibrahim Khashagulgov never recovered consciousness after a brain operation, and later died. In memory of Ibrahim's death a young girl in his class wrote some very touching words:

But he died not quite a hero
And didn't save a baby from a fire
And he wasn't sent home from the war
But it was just a bombing on a peaceful day.

Ibrahim was the first born son of Madina Akhmedovna Khashagul'gova. She did not write poetry, but a letter to Putin:

"Explain to me how the president of a great nation, who is also the father of two children, can sleep at night when a helicopter can shoot rockets at 16 year-old schoolkids in his country?... No words about the struggle against world terrorism can convince me that accidental losses in a counter-terror operation should be children. I'm convinced that in this republic, which you can drive across by car in an hour and a half, there shouldn't be the euphoria of success if the populated regions, the district capital of the Sunzhenskiy region Ordzhonikidzevskaya receives attacks from military helicopters."

Perhaps this is bad etiquette, but how can one imagine the horror of such a night? Imagine that it happened to your child! I can only guess what these children experienced when they ran, trying to hide from the bright rocket-fire, falling, trying to dig with their fingernails into the peaceful soil of a great nation, while from above, in a helicopter with modern fire control systems, a highly-qualified professional carries out his military duty as a Russian flyer.

I thank many of you for your kind letters, and again apologize to those who I offend. This merely information which I know on my own, with my own eyes, in talking to real people. Sorry if it does not fit with some people's views, but from what I see of this site, I am impressed with the worldliness and erudition of the members, and hope it may open some eyes.

22 posted on 10/23/2004 1:26:41 PM PDT by svni
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To: svni
This is the official version, but the real thing is that the FSB organized the explosions in order to start a new war in Chechnya, because Putin had such a low rating, and nothing could raise this rating as fast as a war.

Well, that is a convenient rumor, but it is not likely.

Common sense tell me that this is what we call here a tinfoil claim that occurs as a result of political fights all over the Democratic world.

Russia is also known fondly as one the the most conspiracy laden societies on the planet with the U.S. a close second place.

I think I speak for most Americans when I say that we respect the right to seek freedom wherever it may occur,but we despise the use of terror and the loss of innocent lives to do it. The goal never justifies the means. We learned that lesson during our growing up as a country.

It did not work for the IRA, who pioneered this bombing business, and it will not work in Russia or Iraq or anywhere!

The troubling thing is that the original idea was good and acceptable.

The means used to accomplish it have now destroyed any chance of success. At least not in this lifetime.

23 posted on 10/23/2004 1:41:08 PM PDT by Cold Heat (http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=20040531140357545)
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To: svni
Some say that the Chechens blew up buildings in Moscow. This is the official version, [...]

Some say that Arabs blew up the WTC buildings in New York. You might be surprised but official versions CAN be true.

34 posted on 10/23/2004 5:25:55 PM PDT by A. Pole (Pat Buchanan: "I am compelled to endorse the president of the United States [for re-election].")
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To: svni; Jan Malina

Introduction ....

The two of you have many stories to share.


95 posted on 05/23/2005 3:58:19 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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