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NYC Restaurant refuses to serve Bush twins.
Gawker.com ^ | 11.19.04 | Gawker.com

Posted on 11/19/2004 2:32:58 PM PST by conserv13

Edited on 11/22/2004 4:12:18 PM PST by Jim Robinson. [history]

...Freemans tuesday night the 16th of nov. the bush twins along with 2 massive secret service men tried to have dinner they were told by the maitre 'd that they were full and would be for the next 4 years upon hearing the entire restaurant cheered and did a round of shots it was amazing!!! [Ed: We're hearing that this is actually true.]...


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Received forwarded message from info@freemansrestaurant.com 11/22/2004

Regarding the Internet rumors, no member of Freeman's staff made any derogatory or discriminating comments towards Jenna or Barbara Bush. We are a non-partisan establishment and pride ourselves on having a diverse clientele. The Bush twins or any member of the first family are welcome to join us for dinner anytime.


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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
It's a privately owned restuarant, and they are refusing to served individuals for political reasons. They have that right, just as we have the right to encourage everyone we know not to eat there. If they wanna be dicks, let 'em. It's just one more example of liberal tolerance and acceptance of diversity, anyhow...

Just as it is illegal for a privately owned restuarant to discrimination against African Americans who wish to eat there, so also it is against the law for a privately owned restuarant to discriminate based upon the religion of patrons. Given the way in which the Dems have painted all conservatives as religious idiots, one could make an argument on the religious grounds.

In this case, however, it was based tightly upon who these girls were. The action of the management, and the patrons there, was the height of incivility; they reflect their counterparts at DUmmy land.
351 posted on 11/19/2004 10:30:09 PM PST by TexasGreg ("Democrats Piss Me Off")
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To: Indie

Thank you for posting that link, Indie.


352 posted on 11/19/2004 10:30:46 PM PST by valleygal
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To: OldFriend

YES! Remember that?? We are NOT acting on stage for Republicans! WAAAH! Why isn`t anyone coming to our play?? It`s all the Republicans fault! WAAAAAH! Have you ever seen the movie Team America? People think it makes fun of the war on terror, but it really doesn`t. It makes the fighters against terror out to be heros. What is does instead is bash the living hell out of Broadway liberals, Hollywood liberals and the French. The first 20 minutes of that movie I was laughing so hard I could hardly see the screen, especially the one part of "Gary Johnson; Broadway actor". Any movie that ticks off Sean Penn is the greatest movie ever made in my book, and I`m sure it was no coincidence it was released right before the election.


353 posted on 11/19/2004 10:30:53 PM PST by Imaverygooddriver (I`m a very good driver and I approve this message.)
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To: phxaz

You called all the way from PHX? :)


354 posted on 11/19/2004 10:32:42 PM PST by valleygal
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To: ThinkDifferent
Probably not, because "First Daughters" aren't a protected class.

Sure they are ... on religious grounds (i.e., "Evangelical Christian). But ...then ... the twins are not, exactly, "in good standing" with that religious expression ... so ... oh well. I wouldn't want to eat there, anyway, but I do wonder what would happen if i were to show up dressed in clerics and, after being seated (assuming I was seated) I did or said something to indicate that I had voted for Bush. (hehe)
355 posted on 11/19/2004 10:36:31 PM PST by TexasGreg ("Democrats Piss Me Off")
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To: sitetest
However, the Bush twins likely could not make a claim, as discriminating against Republicans will not generally disproportionately harm members of any "protected class."

How about "Evangelical Christian"? :) Granted, we've not in the past thought of them as "protected," yet discrimination based upon religion IS in the list.
356 posted on 11/19/2004 10:41:04 PM PST by TexasGreg ("Democrats Piss Me Off")
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To: TexasGreg

From what I've now read it looks like this story is an urban legend, not true ... that's good news.


357 posted on 11/19/2004 10:53:25 PM PST by TexasGreg ("Democrats Piss Me Off")
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To: TC Rider

And some disreputable types could smuggle in bugs and other vermin.

Or at least freep the reviews online


358 posted on 11/19/2004 11:04:12 PM PST by Selkie
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To: jimbo123

The information on freemans whois record is fake - if not corrected the registrar must delete the name .

Registrar Obligation to Investigate and Correct Reported Inaccuracies

Subsection 3.7.8 of the RAA obliges registrars to "take reasonable steps to investigate" any inaccuracy in Whois data upon notification from "any person." The Whois Data Problem Report system was established in part in order to establish a clearly designated channel for registrars to receive complaints about inaccurate Whois data.

Hostway Whois Server Version 1.0
Domain Name: freemansrestaurant.com
Registrar: AAAQ.COM
Whois Server: whois.aaaq.com
Referral URL: http://www.aaaq.com
Name Server: a.dns.hostway.net
Name Server: b.dns.hostway.net
Status: ACTIVE
Updated Date 2004-01-12
Creation Date: 2004-01-10
Expiration Date: 2004-01-10



Registrant:
Freemans Holding, LLC
John Freeman fokker@umich.edu
2 Freeman Alley

New York, NY 10003
US
212-965-5555 Fax:



Administrative Contact:
John Freeman fokker@umich.edu
2 Freeman Alley

New York, NY 10003
US
212-965-5555 Fax:


359 posted on 11/19/2004 11:21:30 PM PST by Selkie
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To: carlo3b
I just got off the phone with their manager.. "I've heard the rumor, and it is total BS. It's someones pipe-dream Carlo, I swear it never happened".

The DUmmies are going to be very disappointed to read this, Carlo. Ninety-nine percent of them are very happy believing this happened to the kids, and they're celebrating by using profane epithets to describe the twins.

The party of "tolerance and diversity" demonstrates the true condition of its heart once again.

360 posted on 11/19/2004 11:27:18 PM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Not now. I'm working the room.)
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To: temporarily_drawn_in

The Bush twins are desperately trying to be cool.>>

NO theyre not DESPERATELY trying to be cool >:<

Theyre already COOL confident young women in their own right.

Theyre young still and just trying to have a little glamour and fun.

I m young and still like to have some excitement.

Lighten up on them Dont be so stuffy !


361 posted on 11/19/2004 11:32:20 PM PST by Selkie
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To: KingNo155

Another good one is to bring along a date who's a shrieker. Pinch her on the butt and, right after she hits a high note, point at the floor and yell, "That's the biggest damn rat I've ever seen!"


362 posted on 11/19/2004 11:48:43 PM PST by Prime Choice (STFU ACLU.)
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
The party of "tolerance and diversity" demonstrates the true condition of its heart once again

I know.. isn't that a shame, I am a party pooper.. awe shucks..

This is the reason I had to find out the truth. I just knew that one of those DESPOTS WITH THE BLUES, conjured up this story and did so to get some cruel comic relief from the drumming that they got from the BIG RED WON.. LOLOL

I just couldn't let that happen without flippin over the rocks to shed a little sunlight on those slimy, shriveled creeps.. oh well. . HAPPY THANKSGIVING. :)

363 posted on 11/20/2004 4:16:40 AM PST by carlo3b (http://www.CookingWithCarlo.com)
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To: TexasGreg

Dear TexasGreg,

I think that if folks discriminate, and say its because of political affiliation, it might be hard to assert a cause of action based on religious discrimination.

The fact is that large numbers of Methodists (probably an absolute majority) voted Dem. The Bush twins, as far as I know, are Methodists.

Even if they were part of some group that did vote majority Republican, it would be tough to make out a case, perhaps, of disparate impact. You'd have to find a group that went, say, 3 - 1 or 4 - 1 for Bush.


sitetest


364 posted on 11/20/2004 6:12:32 AM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Imaverygooddriver
I hear our local talk show host, Ron Kuby, commie, complaining bitterly tht Mayor Bloomberg lied when he promised the convention would bring revenue to the city.

All the while Kuby is encouraging lawlessness from the protesters........

These idiots get what they deserve.

365 posted on 11/20/2004 7:06:29 AM PST by OldFriend (PRAY FOR POWERS EQUAL TO THE TASKS)
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To: Selkie

You are wrong - it is real.


366 posted on 11/20/2004 7:40:59 AM PST by FightinFederalist
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To: Hildy

I still don't think it's true. Jenna lived in New York two summers ago and she was seen at a lot of watering holes. No one denied her admission.


367 posted on 11/20/2004 7:41:17 AM PST by somerville
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To: Petronski

Great plan!


368 posted on 11/20/2004 8:21:26 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Kevin Sites is a coward and a terrorist sympathizer.)
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To: phxaz

Unlike the majority on this board, I totally believe it happened and I believe some in the restaurant, probably not all, cheered it. But it's yesterday's news...the girls will go on.


369 posted on 11/20/2004 10:15:33 AM PST by Hildy (The really great men are always simple and true)
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To: carlo3b

Happy Thanksgiving to you, too, my friend! Are you cooking this year? ; )


370 posted on 11/20/2004 10:18:35 AM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Not now. I'm working the room.)
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To: TexasGreg

Perhaps Barry Goldwater was right when he said that the northeast should be cut off and let float our to sea.


371 posted on 11/20/2004 10:31:00 AM PST by joybelle
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To: llevrok

One former restuarant worker said never to send food back to reheat, etc. as you never know what might have been done to it!


372 posted on 11/20/2004 10:33:12 AM PST by joybelle
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To: Paperdoll

Always check out the rest rooms. I don't care how good a restuarant looks; if these rooms are like the picture, what can the kitchen be like. Get the health dept. I once asked a worker in a resturant in Penn. if the said dept. ever came around after seeing the resturant. If you know someone who works for the health dept., they will tell you who has the cleanest kitchens.


373 posted on 11/20/2004 10:39:12 AM PST by joybelle
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To: Tenacious0

Makes me think of Harry Truman's reaction when a critic was hard on Margaret's singing. He took it to the press. What a field day!


374 posted on 11/20/2004 10:50:17 AM PST by joybelle
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To: vrwcagent0498
So, what did you do?

32 hours of rescue work on the 12th and 13th.

375 posted on 11/20/2004 11:03:47 AM PST by wtc911 (W (will win) WON because God still loves America)
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To: conserv13
The difference between the Bush twins and the twits that applauded them being turned away? The Bush Twins can eat in the WHITEHOUSE!
376 posted on 11/20/2004 11:09:23 AM PST by politicalmerc (Kerry/Edwards rejected not elected http://www.tdowc.com/store/catalog)
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To: sitetest
The fact is that large numbers of Methodists (probably an absolute majority) voted Dem. The Bush twins, as far as I know, are Methodists.

You really must be careful with how you stereotype various groups. The United Methodist Church tends to be a somewhat more liberal denomination because of the influence of the North-Eastern and Western Conferences. In the Southeastern and Southcentral Jurisdictions (where Bush and his Twins are from) the UMC tends to be significantly more conservative to evangelical. Looking at the delegations and their votes at General Conference will reflect this: if the Northeastern and Western Jurisdictions didn't have votes, and it was just the Southeastern, Southcentral, and Northcentral Jurisdictions, the UMC would be considered -- politically -- a fairly evangelical conservative church. Our social principles would be far less socialist, we would be unambiguously anti-abortion and our stand on gun ownership would be either neutral or pro. Given that the Southeastern and Southcentral portions of the church are the parts that are growing, while the Northeastern and Western parts continue to shrink in numbers, I suspect we will continue to see the UMC drift more and more conservative with each General Conference session.

While some of our clergy here in the South are definitely liberal, many of us are conservatives, evangelicals, and we vote Republican like most of our church members. Case in point: I have served as pastor of 5 different UMCs in Texas, and I don't believe that any of them are unusual -- either for Texas, or for the South (early in my ministry I pastored a church in North Carolina): while we had Democrats in all 5 of these churches, the overwhelming political orientation of each of my congregations would have to be moderate-to-conservative and Republican. My current congregation typifies this: I know of no more than 15-20 families (out of 150+ families) that are politically liberal and voted Democrat. The overwhelming majority of my congregation voted Republican, as did President Bush's home church -- Highland Park UMC (at 15,000+ members, the largest congregation in the denomination) -- and, I would suspect, a very large number of the Churches in the 5 Texas Conferences. I have a lot of friends among the UM Clergy here in Texas, many of whom ARE liberal. One of their biggest complaints during the last election was the degree to which their congregations were conservative Bush-supporters. When I asked how they knew they would say "you can tell it from what they say over coffee and donuts, and the stickers on the back of their cars!" And, they were right. I could count a few dozen Bush04 stickers in the parking lot last Sunday, but I've only seen one Kerry sticker.

In short, be careful about how you stereotype the UMC, or it's members, or the Bush Twins. They may be members of what, in the NORTH, is a very liberal and Democrat-voting denomination, but they're from the SOUTH ... and the UMC in the South is a VERY different animal.
377 posted on 11/20/2004 11:19:46 AM PST by TexasGreg ("Democrats Piss Me Off")
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To: TexasGreg

Dear TexasGreg,

That's a very nice analysis of Methodist political affiliation. It helps us to understand why both President Bush and Hitlery can both be Methodists. It shows significant understanding of the complexities and subtleties involved.

Which would further undermine any effort to cite religious discrimination in a case that overtly appears to be political discrimination.


sitetest


378 posted on 11/20/2004 11:28:08 AM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: sitetest
Thank you for the compliment. I'm a UM clergyman ... so, UM demographic distribution and politics are something with which I am familiar.

Which would further undermine any effort to cite religious discrimination in a case that overtly appears to be political discrimination.

Not at all ... it substantiates the central point: any political discrimination is predicated upon a liberal bias against religious southerners, regardless of denomination. The brand "Evangelical" is NOT so much a denominational factor as it is a theological and social-orientation one. What the arrogant Northeastern Liberals hate are us ignorant louts in the south who refuse to listen to their betters in the north; and we refuse to follow their lead because our minds are infected with a conservative/evangelical religious agenda which is locked in the "stone-age" of Biblical morality. Witness their attempt to brand us with the "Slave-State" iron. Oh, sure, they also hate those Roman Catholics who dared to oppose Kerry on religious grounds ... and there, too, it was predicated upon the "primitive" notions of traditional and biblical standards that any enlightened people would have long ago jettisoned.

Gee, I'm frightening myself ... I know their rhetoric too well.
379 posted on 11/20/2004 11:46:54 AM PST by TexasGreg ("Democrats Piss Me Off")
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To: TexasGreg; Steve_Seattle

Dear TexasGreg,

Well, I could go on with you about this, and get into involved explanations about whether "southern" or "conservative" would buy you anything in terms of developing a rationale for a protected class, and whether a suit for religious discrimination can even be based on disparate impact. The way you're citing "evangelical" cites real definitonal problems, and if you can't accurately define your class, you're gonna have a tough time protecting it. There are a number of weaknesses to the general idea that could be explored.

But I won't.

It is minutiae that bores even me.

I'm not a lawyer, so maybe some lawyer might disagree with me, but I'm pretty comfortable that what may have been done to the Bush twins is not covered by the Civil Rights Act of 1964, or other federal laws.

Steve_Seattle makes a good point that this might be covered under state or local law.

But I don't think there are any federal laws that apply.


sitetest


380 posted on 11/20/2004 12:02:08 PM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: sitetest
I'm not a lawyer, so maybe some lawyer might disagree with me, but I'm pretty comfortable that what may have been done to the Bush twins is not covered by the Civil Rights Act of 1964, or other federal laws.

:) You could have fooled me about not being a lawyer. I actually AGREE with you ... I've just been having some fun.

Oh, sure, I wouldn't mind seeing it tested ... I would be curious to see what the outcome would be. Is it a violation of the law to discriminate based upon State of origin, for instance? One could say that it's not because it doesn't assert such in the law -- but, it does say "national origin" and, according to the Dems, we're a different nation than they are (we're from "Jesusland.")

Oh, well ... enough fun for a Saturday.
381 posted on 11/20/2004 12:54:31 PM PST by TexasGreg ("Democrats Piss Me Off")
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To: valleygal

all the way from my living room in phx!


382 posted on 11/20/2004 1:20:46 PM PST by phxaz (no more money nyc. none.)
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To: Prime Choice

lol I like that idea.


383 posted on 11/20/2004 2:31:16 PM PST by KingNo155
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To: rock58seg

Hmm. I'll check it out next time I'm over that way.


384 posted on 11/20/2004 2:51:55 PM PST by firebrand
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To: jimbo123

Good place to leave a recommendation.

http://www.digitalcity.com/newyork/dining/venue.adp?sbid=142781


385 posted on 11/20/2004 3:38:39 PM PST by Snoopers-868th
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To: conserv13

Was it ever confirmed that this story is total BS? It would have been all over the news if it was true.


386 posted on 11/20/2004 5:55:38 PM PST by Junior_G
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To: FightinFederalist

No I'm not wrong, john freeman is not a real person.
::rolls eyes:::


387 posted on 11/20/2004 6:02:07 PM PST by Selkie
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To: Selkie
Unprovable.

Not enough for deletion.

388 posted on 11/21/2004 11:15:19 AM PST by FightinFederalist
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To: FightinFederalist

Your opinion isnt fact.

The fact is is that several names have been deleted over false registrant name/owner info.

And I just read thru your posts. Youre just an argumentative curmudgeon in nearly all your posts.


389 posted on 11/21/2004 2:20:19 PM PST by Selkie
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To: vrwcagent0498
To: jpf who wrote:

"What p***es me off is how much support we gave NYC after the 9/11/01 attacks. (we meaning, the Bushes and Red Staters)

Won't get fooled again..."


What pisses New Yorkers off is that Bush et al promised the city $20 billion to rebuild but has delivered about a thirds of that. Much of that aid goes in the form of tax breaks that will be used to build an office building for Bank of America. Hardly the kind of help that we needed (as opposed to the good people of Oregon) who came and spent tourist dollars and rallied in support.

As for the twins, they'd probably be able to get in the door of any place they wanted if they ever stood up and said something meaningful or had beliefs of their own or had any interest other than capitalizing on daddy's higher office to get into cool clubs populated by the likes of whom are despised by their father and his political followers.

And as for all those people who think they did enough for NYC last time: would you really be so callous as to say that you're not going to help your countrymen in NYC next time we get hit (because we're going to be hit a dozen times before they find something worth bombing elsewhere). When Tim McVeigh blew up the Murrah building, New York's firefighters were among the first to jet over, no questions asked, and with no snide comments about it later.

So don't give us any shit just because a pair of elitist girls were snubbed at a bar. Get over it yourself.
390 posted on 11/22/2004 10:44:42 AM PST by rajkumania
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To: conserv13

Just got reply regarding the Bush twins being turned away at Freeman's Restaurant in NYC:

Regarding the Internet rumors, no member of Freeman’s staff made any derogatory or discriminating comments towards Jenna or Barbara Bush. We are a non-partisan establishment and pride ourselves on having a diverse clientele. The Bush twins or any member of the first family are welcome to join us for dinner anytime.


391 posted on 11/22/2004 12:44:21 PM PST by ncpatriot
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To: ncpatriot

Thanks!


392 posted on 11/22/2004 12:48:31 PM PST by conserv13
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To: conserv13
If this were true, we could methodically begin a campaign to systematically and daily release cockroaches in this place.
They go well with RATS.

But let's first find out if it's true.
395 posted on 11/22/2004 1:18:17 PM PST by Bon mots
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To: conserv13

Your link is obscene and the entire post needs to be removed!


396 posted on 11/22/2004 1:19:32 PM PST by JesseHousman
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To: Prime Choice

Did you read the cruddy article? It's obscene.


397 posted on 11/22/2004 1:21:15 PM PST by JesseHousman
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To: JesseHousman

The rules. What about the FR rules?


398 posted on 11/22/2004 1:25:09 PM PST by NCC-1701 (ISLAM IS A CULT, PURE AND SIMPLE!!!!! IT MUST BE ERADICATED FROM THE FACE OF THE EARTH.)
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To: rajkumania

Welcom to Free Republic.


399 posted on 11/22/2004 1:25:24 PM PST by SlowBoat407 ( Just drive away and remove the piece of paper that is stuck to window later.)
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To: JesseHousman

That is fine, I don't care. I posted it Friday after I saw it on 3 different weblogs.


400 posted on 11/22/2004 1:31:46 PM PST by conserv13
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