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To: conservative_crusader
You should look at the beginning of Darwinism, and its results. It is hostile to Christian faith. Primarily Darwinism does away with God as the creator, and substitutes entirely material processes. On the face of it that is a mathematical impossibility.

I think the evidence for the Big Bang is very good science. If it is true, all physical science cannot get past about 1 times 10 to the minus 43 seconds. Before then is a singularity in which all energy and time (all the dimensions of the universe existed). Cosmologists simply relate it as a singularity...another way of saying, "we don't have a clue where the universe came from."

As far as original sin...here is the problem: You have to understand the central Tenney of the need for, and Divine plan of redemption. Whether God can do anything is not my argument, of course He can, including work through any process we can imagine, and an infinite number we cannot imagine. What I argue is what He apparently has done, or limited Himself to do.

By Divine decree God has declared sin that came into the human race through one man (Adam) can be removed by another man (Christ). That is the REAL problem (beyond the scientific arguments) why Christians must examine revisionary claims, and what those claims ultimately mean to Christian faith.

Now either our faith is wrong and a fantasy, a construct of human thought and error. Or it is true, and a Spiritual and Physical reality. If true...then sin DID come into the earth through one man, and then can be (has been) removed by another man. It cannot have arisen from many sources (different tribes of apes).

Biblically we have a single set of parents (Adam and Eve) All the genetic code of the human race...all diversity, every human that ever lived was in the genes of Adam and Eve. They were the best that ever was, without fault or flaw.

All of us in some deep way were in Adam...in the garden. We all would have failed, would have sinned, just like he did. God is justified in saying ALL have sinned in Adam. In a sense YOU are Adam...a mere shred of what he was, but in your DNA you were there, in spirit you were there.

We would have all made the decision to reject God for temporal pursuits. We all therefor must make the reverse decision to reject temporal pursuits for the eternal. The acceptance of Christ IS the adoption by a new parent. A process to be sure, but also something almost down to the level of DNA. (Think of communion...eating His flesh, Drinking his blood...a transfusion, so to speak).

You choose your new parent, something you can do in the eternal universe, not in the physical. Anyway for these reasons I believe evolution is NOT true. Slowly it will be shown by science itself, (as more and more) it is shown to not be credible. Think of the primitive times and conditions in which evolution was proposed. Hardly nothing was known of microscopic life, we did not know of the incredible complexity of even a single living cell. We knew nothing of DNA, of symbiotic life, of parasites, of the imaginable symphony needed for a living organism. Of the peculiar fitness of the earth for life, of the sheer wonder of the ecosystem. Evolution is a primitive scientific "philosophy," hanging on by a mere thread. Even now many of the scientists in other disciplines, (Even Nobel Prize winners) particularly the hard sciences of math and physics, say nothing about evolution, some even scoff, not too loudly yet, lest they face the scorn and retaliation of all the life science types...but it is over!
248 posted on 12/06/2004 7:20:31 AM PST by Jehu
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To: Jehu

Slowly it will be shown by science itself, (as more and more) it is shown to not be credible

This is a LIE. Show us scientific evidence that the TOE is not credible. First, explain what an allele is, so all the other cretins can follow your logic (or lack thereof).


250 posted on 12/06/2004 8:46:18 AM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: Jehu

"You should look at the beginning of Darwinism, and its results. It is hostile to Christian faith. Primarily Darwinism does away with God as the creator, and substitutes entirely material processes."

Another lie! The only thing the TOE is hostile to is your silly interpretation of the Bible. The TOE is quite comfortable with my Christian beliefs.


251 posted on 12/06/2004 8:47:53 AM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: Jehu
I like the way you think. For the most part I agree with you, however you and I part company at one point. You believe that God said it, and literally it was. Now this is definitely a possibility, and is the one that i believe is more likely. You believe this beyond the shadow of a doubt. I find this admirable. However the Bible does not say "Poof" and Adam was created from dust. My belief is that it is also possible that God used evolution as a tool (whether he needed to or not). The point is, is that the Bible may say that literally man was created from dust. However it doesn't rule out the possibility of eventual evolution from dust into a human being.

That being said, whichever of these is true, I believe Jesus of Nazareth is the son of God, that he was without sin, that because he was without sin, he did not deserve death, and because he died without sin, my sins can be forgiven. This is all that someone has to believe to be a Christian. The ifs, whys, hows, and whats are secondary to this.
259 posted on 12/06/2004 2:52:49 PM PST by conservative_crusader (Annuit Coeptis (He has smiled on our undertaking))
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