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To: NYer; Gerard.P; thor76; ultima ratio; Canticle_of_Deborah; AskStPhilomena; Land of the Irish
We cannot say with certainty that they will be saved.

Exactly. We don't know what happens to those who die unbaptized. God has not revealed it.

So shouldn't we proceed as if baptism is absolutely necessary for salvation? Really now, when it comes to eternal salvation don't we want to proceed with what we know to be certain rather than our best educated guesses? In the cases where baptism could not possibly occur before death we may still hope in the mercy of God.

With regard to abortion, doesn't this make the act of abortion possibly the gravest evil? To deny all those souls the opportunity to be baptized, the means of grace for salvation? Isn't that the ultimate plan of Satan?

4 posted on 12/16/2004 6:51:24 AM PST by murphE ("I ain't no physicist, but I know what matters." - Popeye)
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To: murphE

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Where does this involve children?


7 posted on 12/16/2004 6:58:37 AM PST by Sybeck1 ("gun control is when you hit what you shoot at")
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To: murphE
With regard to abortion, doesn't this make the act of abortion possibly the gravest evil?

Actually ... no. I believe we are now moving into the next phase which is far more evil than abortion - human cloning. Intentionally creating humans for the sole purpose of supplying organs and other body parts. What about these? They will never be afforded the opportunity to be baptized, not even by desire.

10 posted on 12/16/2004 7:07:35 AM PST by NYer ("Blessed be He who by His love has given life to all." - final prayer of St. Charbel)
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To: murphE
So shouldn't we proceed as if baptism is absolutely necessary for salvation?

Yes

Really now, when it comes to eternal salvation don't we want to proceed with what we know to be certain rather than our best educated guesses?

Yes

With regard to abortion, doesn't this make the act of abortion possibly the gravest evil?

Yes

To deny all those souls the opportunity to be baptized, the means of grace for salvation? Isn't that the ultimate plan of Satan?

Yes

34 posted on 12/16/2004 10:17:24 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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