Posted on 12/30/2004 11:32:39 AM PST by Mershon
Yes.
Let Jesus settle it. He advised us to beware of false prophets, those who looked like sheep, but were really wolves. He said by their fruits we would know them. A good tree bears good fruit, a bad tree produces rotten fruit. What have been the fruits of the recent papacies? Try looking at the horror more objectively--we have a pope who organizes prayer festivals to false gods. How can such a man lead his Church through the current crises?
And here is St. Paul himself showing us how to discern the true from the false as well. "If we, or an angel come down from Heaven, should preach to you a gospel other than the one I have preached, let him be anathema." In other words, we must hold onto what has always been taught, not chase after new doctrines.
JPII preaches a new humanist gospel, novelties never ever preached before by any pontiff--that Jews need not be converted, that they have no need of Jesus as their redeemer, that all religions are somehow good, that all men are somehow saved. Such doctrines were never taught before in the Catholic Church. And even if he does not himself teach these novelties in so many words--he teaches them by praxis, or by remaining silent in the face of myriad novel pronouncements on his behalf.
These are indeed weighty allegations. Of course, I can list texts of JP II denying all of those - so where are the ones of him affirming them? The first three are contrary to Dominus Iesus.
COMMISSION FOR RELIGIOUS RELATIONS WITH THE JEWSJesus affirms (ibid. 10:16) that "there shall be one flock and one shepherd". Church and Judaism cannot then be seen as two parallel ways of salvation and the Church must witness to Christ as the Redeemer for all, "while maintaining the strictest respect for religious liberty in line with the teaching of the Second Vatican Council (Declaration Dignitatis Humanae)" (Guidelines and Suggestions, I).
"Desperation is an adjective which you ought to recognize, as it applies to SSPX and its FR adherents"
What a silly statement. If the SSPX were so desperate and unsure of itself, then why was it Rome who initiated the overtures for reconciliation? And please don't tell me it was out of some motive of charity. Baloney. Rome was embarrassed by the scandal represented by its own intolerance for the Church's own past and for Catholic Tradition in general. People can put two-and-two together, they can smell Rome's modernism a mile away, they understand that intolerance for Catholic Tradition exists on a very profound level. Contrariwise, the SSPX knows it holds onto the traditional faith, that it is preserving the Catholic heritage in the face of Rome's intensifying corruption. That is why it is content to accept the slanders of people like you--and Bishop Bruskewitz. By such persecutions, despite its many human faults, it grows in sanctity and more and more resembles Christ.
“I wish to say that the document Dominus Jesus does not state that everybody needs to become a Catholic in order to be saved by God. On the contrary, it declares that God’s grace, which is the grace of Jesus Christ according to our faith, is available to all. Therefore, the Church believes that Judaism …. is salvific for them [the Jewish people], because God is faithful to his promises.”
Cardinal Walter Kasper
With the coming of the Saviour Jesus Christ, God has willed that the Church founded by him be the instrument for the salvation of all humanity (cf. Acts 17:30-31). This truth of faith does not lessen the sincere respect which the Church has for the religions of the world, but at the same time, it rules out, in a radical way, that mentality of indifferentism “characterized by a religious relativism which leads to the belief that ‘one religion is as good as another'”. If it is true that the followers of other religions can receive divine grace, it is also certain that objectively speaking they are in a gravely deficient situation in comparison with those who, in the Church, have the fullness of the means of salvation ... Indeed, the Church, guided by charity and respect for freedom, must be primarily committed to proclaiming to all people the truth definitively revealed by the Lord, and to announcing the necessity of conversion to Jesus Christ and of adherence to the Church through Baptism and the other sacraments, in order to participate fully in communion with God, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Thus, the certainty of the universal salvific will of God does not diminish, but rather increases the duty and urgency of the proclamation of salvation and of conversion to the Lord Jesus Christ.
Like somebody said, an oak tree is an acorn that held its ground. SSPX had only about 150 priests when the motu proprio was written in 1988. It is now over 400 priests-strong and growing. It has chapels in over 60 countries and numbers over 1,000,000 adherents worldwide. More than its numbers is its influence. It is about one quarter-part of a global traditionalist movement--which is itself the most dynamic aspect of the Church today--but which is studiously ignored by the revolutionary Church. Yet it is the traditionalist movement that is most influential and powerful force on the culture--as exemplified, for instance, by Mel Gibson's film, which came out of the heart of the traditionalist ethos.
Do you really think Kasper is doing this?
Is Kasper JP II?
Who cares if Bruskewitz excommunicates Catholics--if the excommunications are unjust? They remain moral nullities. It would not stop me for a second from attending Mass at an SSPX chapel. No Bishop may violate the divine law with impunity--and Bruskewitz does so by acting unjustly and slandering the innocent.
Rome was charitable, UR. But, make no mistake. There's a stake in the ground, and the next move is up to Fellay.
Oh, and the SSPX is not going to suppress the Novus Ordo.
"You consider diocesan particular laws passed in accord with Canon Law 'hot air'?"
If they contradict divine law and punish the innocent--yes. But, in fact, these diocesan laws cannot have been passed in accord with Canon Law--since Canon Law exempts from punishment all who are inculpable.
Was Kasper elevated to the cardinalship by JP II?
Why is Kasper still a cardinal?
10. Since this does not please the neo-schismatics, they follow the example of heretics of more recent times. They argue that the sentence of schism and excommunication pronounced against them by the Archbishop of Tyana, the Apostolic Delegate in Constantinople, was unjust, and consequently void of strength and influence. They have claimed also that they are unable to accept the sentence because the faithful might desert to the heretics if deprived of their ministration. These novel arguments were wholly unknown and unheard of by the ancient Fathers of the Church. For "the whole Church throughout the world knows that the See of the blessed Apostle Peter has the right of loosing again what any pontiffs have bound, since this See possesses the right of judging the whole Church, and no one may judge its judgment."[14] The Jansenist heretics dared to teach such doctrines as that an excommunication pronounced by a lawful prelate could be ignored on a pretext of injustice. Each person should perform, as they said, his own particular duty despite an excommunication. Our predecessor of happy memory Clement XI in his constitution Unigenitus against the errors of Quesnell forbade and condemned statements of this kind.[15] These statements were scarcely in any way different from some of John Wyclif's which had previously been condemned by the Council of Constance and Martin V. Through human weakness a person could be unjustly punished with censure by his prelate. But it is still necessary, as Our predecessor St. Gregory the Great warned, "for a bishop's subordinates to fear even an unjust condemnation and not to blame the judgment of the bishop rashly in case the fault which did not exist, since the condemnation was unjust, develops out of the pride of heated reproof."[16] But if one should be afraid even of an unjust condemnation by one's bishop, what must be said of those men who have been condemned for rebelling against their bishop and this Apostolic See and tearing to pieces as they are now doing by a new schism the seamless garment of Christ, which is the Church? (Bl. Pius IX, Quartus Supra)
You need to stop going off on tangents. It's pointless talking to you - each post brings in a new issue and the old is dropped.
No tangents at all. It's an organic development resulting from your post #44.
And like someone else said, "many will come in my name, saying,'I am the Christ,' and will lead many astray."
You mean Assisi I and II wasn't organized on the principle that all religions are somehow good? Then you must agree with me that some religions may be evil. If that's the case, what was the Pope doing organizing and encouraging evil--the worship of false gods, a clear violation of the First Commandment? And why do you always suppose it is only what this Pontiff SAYS that matters? It's what he DOESN'T say and doesn't do that matters just as much! You can always find some pious cover that sounds orthodox enough. But his heterodoxy is self-evident and spreads throughout his Church. He recently canonized the founder of Opus Dei, for instance, an individual who was full of major moral defects--and did so in record time--by changing the rules of the game, refusing to hear the testimony of some of the most knowledgable witnesses, and placing Opus Dei operatives in charge of the entire process. It was fake from start to finish--but he allowed such deception anyway. And why not? Nobody ever calls him on these anomalies!
"Oh, and the SSPX is not going to suppress the Novus Ordo"
No need to. It will die the way the mainline Protestant churches are dying--the way the Catholic Church is already dying in Europe. I doubt it will last another generation. Same with Novus Ordo architecture. Unlike traditional churches, these cardboard boxes are not built to last.
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