Posted on 01/06/2005 8:00:30 AM PST by cougar_mccxxi
Re read my post, slowly, and enjoy your Kool-aid.
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U.S. Newswire : Releases : "Answer to California Budget Woes Could be Secession ..."
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“Whether we remain in one confederacy or form into Atlantic and Mississippi confederations, I believe not very important to the happiness of either part.”
Thomas Jefferson, 1804 (quoted in ‘History of the United States of America,’ by Henry Adams)
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Thank You.
Charles Kelly Barrow, J.H. Segars, and R.B. Rosenburg, Black Confederates, (originally published as Forgotten Confederates), Pelican Publishing Company, 2001, at page 97 states:
Aside from the obvious fact that southerners for years disliked equally Carpetbaggers, "Yankees," and Republicans, regardless of their races, there is a simple truth that eloquently refutes the thesis used against our ancestors. It is a little known truth; nevertheless, it is factual: The overwhelming majority of blacks during the War Between the States supported and defended with armed resistance the cause of southern independence, as did Native Americans, Hispanic Americans, and other minorities. In his book Blacks in Blue and Gray, H.C. Blackerby demonstrates that over three hundred thousand blacks, both free and slave, supported the Confederacy, far more than the number that supported the Union.
Dr. H.C. Blackerby, Blacks in Blue and Gray, Portals Press, Tuscaloosa, Alabama, 1979, in Appendix C at page 121 observed,
Records indicate that 300,000 or more blacks served with Confederate armies part of the time. Some were soldiers. Others served in many ways, from horsehoers to guards.
Dr. Blackerby points out, at page 18, one way Blacks might have gained entry to the forces. A law in Virginia (perhaps elsewhere) authorized a white man to change the legal status of a Black man to White by swearing before a notary. Pursuant to the law, the Black was supposed to be seven-eights or more White, but in wartime legalities are not always stringently observed.
MOST of the asians,blacks, indians & latinos who served the CSA as soldiers,sailors & marines did so, IN SPITE of laws to the contrary, by joining militias formed by cities,towns,counties,parishes, states & by PRIVATE individuals.
in point of fact, less than 1/2 of ONE percent of "dixie's lads in gray" were REGULARS!
it made no difference to the VOLUNTEERS (of ANY group that wanted to defend dixie) what unit they belonged to OR what the "fat cats" in Richmond thought!
free dixie,sw
The key then would be whether you recognize the states' acts of secession. If you agree with those who deny the validity of the secessions, then it is a war between citizens of the same country. If you agree with the secessionists, then it was a war to regain the seceded states.
If you deny the validity of secession, then it was a civil war. If you recognize the secession, then civil war is not a valid term.
"Total nonsense. Slavery was dying. The advent of machinery was speeding up the obsolescence."
This is part of the reason why slavery was not that important a reason for secession. The northern example of paying people hourly wages without benefits (Industrial Revolution) proved cheaper than raising workers from birth and supporting them past their useful working life.
Second, only five percent of Americans owned more than slaves and only another two percent owned more than three.
Slavery worked against the Southern whites economically but they fought with everything they had for secession. Why? Because they hated northern attitudes and their states' loss of power in Washington. Northerners fought not to free the slaves but because they were conscripted to preserve the Union.
See I'm Irish and I know that many recent immigrants were paid by conscripted Yankees to take their place in the Civil War. So, while I don't know all the details about who got drafted when, it is quite apparent that many Union soldiers and would-be soldiers were drafted and didn't want to fight to save the Union or free the Negroes. They fought because they had to or they paid someone else to fight for them.
Even if a majority of Union soldiers volunteered, as you say, that probably would not have been enough to win the war. The difference was involuntary conscription. Or do you disagree?
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