Skip to comments.Evolution ruling gets cheers from scientists (Forced removal of evolution 'warning' on textbooks.)
Posted on 01/15/2005 2:06:00 PM PST by Happy2BMe
ATLANTA, Georgia (AP) -- Since 2002, Dr. Kenneth Miller has been upset that biology textbooks he has written are slapped with a warning sticker by the time they appear in suburban Atlanta schools. Evolution, the stickers say, is "a theory, not a fact."
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Actually, to split a hair, evolution is a "fact." A fact is something that is either true or false, as distinguished from an opinion. Evolution, indeed, the entire materialist view of life, is either true or false; therefore, it is a "fact."
I believe in evolution... and ya, I think it is pretty much fact.... what do you think of that?
Boy are they in for a suprise when they find out Santas not fact!!
"The evidence for Darwinism is not only grossly inadequate, it's systematically distorted. I'm convinced that sometime in the not-to-distant future, people will look back in amazement and say, 'How could anyone have believed this?' Darwinism is merely materialistic philosophy masquerading as science." Jonathan Well, Ph.D. in molecular and cell biology, specializing in vertebrate embryology, 1994, from UC Berkeley.
If the Theory of Evolution isn't a theory, why is it universally called a "theory"?
The High Priests of Naturalism are upset at any questioning of their religious orthodoxy.
You are living proof of evolution TROLL!
My response to the ardent evolutionist is, "If you say your ancestors climbed out of a slime pit, I'm inclined to believe you."
Many years ago, I read about a court decision which declared secular humanism to be a religion. This hasn't stopped it from being taught in public schools.
I hate that it came to this, but I prefer this result to having scientific illiterates decide what goes in or on science books.
And before I too get accused of being a troll, you might want to look at my five year posting history on FR.
Hmm....O.K. So you're one of the faithful believers?
Porterville is no troll - he's been posting for over 2 years!
(Psst...I was pulling his leg.)
If you believe so much in Evolution then take this
Amazing the number of agnostics, atheists, and relativists we have pinging around these days . .
True, and likewise astrologers would resent non-astrologers deciding what is in an astrology book. But we wouldn't want our school children indoctrinated with astrology. Neither should we accept children being indoctrinated with the fairy tale of macro-evolution which no man has seen take place.
Let me make everyone happy. Here is a piece entitled Evolution is a Fact and A Theory.
I recommend it.
$250,000 to prove that the hypothesis of evolution is nothing more than a religion!
Awwwww, your little con-man is actually broke and going to jail.
I'll see your 30 cubits... and I'll raise you 1 tsunami !!! ;-))
It's amazing that the scientific evidence that life begins at conception and that abortion causes breast cancer is more compelling than the absurd belief that everything came out of nothing, and yet, which one gets hyped for being scientific "truth"unquestioned and portrayed as unasailable?
I've never understood why "evolution" and it's teaching as fact have never been attacked as an imposition of religious dogma and thereby violates the Separation of Church and State....
It amazes me as well. But, then, I was once among their number.
Ya got that right
The poster can answer for herself, but I think the point is that evolution is based more upon a system of belief, where "evidence" is interpreted to conform to that belief, than it is a system based upon science.
Wait a second, you want to believe that the ratio of circumference to diameter is three like it says in Kings or 3.14159... like those pointy headed so-called math experts say?
Seriously folks (I was being facetious), maybe it wouldn't hurt to be a little more flexible and relaxed when it comes to our understanding of our scriptures versus someone else's understanding of his scriptures.
Right on !
Lots of things happen that no man has ever seen- what of it ?
Man has not seen God create the universe in six days. The man who asserts this creation is said to be speaking from faith.
Man has not seen life evolve from different kinds of life over million of years and yet this viewpoint is said to be based on facts apart from faith.
Why do so many hold to this double standard? If the public schools are not a proper venue for one of these faiths, why should it be a proper venue for the other?
As opposed to the ID/IOT beliefs of ...
Nice pic. Looks like the vessel from "Flight of the Navigator."
The judge's ruling in this case is beyond bizarre, and takes judicial activism to a whole new level. If any locals are reading this thread, I assume the school board has an appeals path available; will they use it or just drop the whole thing because of the expense and hassle involved?
Good reminder. Thanks.
That seems pretty close to a superstition to me.
It is called a therory to expose people who do not understand science.
The theory behind this is that people who do not understand science will apply the laymen's defintion of "theory" to the word and thus reveal their lack of understanding about science.
So here's the facts guys, whether you like 'em or not. 99.9% of biologists consider evolution to be the bed-rock of biology. The basic principles are even being applied to other fields, like economics, in which self-organizing systems are an important area of study. (You guys are conservatives, right? You do believe in self-organizing economies instead of command-and-control ones?)
But you guys think some double-talking pseudo-scientists should get equal time in science classrooms. Hey, it's your call to support such silliness. But I'm telling you - as Arnold would say "This does not help our mission". It just brands you to the rest of the world as kooks, including to many conservatives and co-religionists.
We've got a lot on our plate. A federal welfare state that must be fixed or it's going to doom our kids to poverty. A large population of religious fanatics anxious to blow us all up in exchange for 72 virgins. But you want to spend your time promoting something that even your allies don't believe.
Look, we've got an educational system that can't even teach basic math and English. And you're worried about whether Sunday School stories get told in science class. Sorry, but I consider your priorities clearly out of whack.
Now, you can go ahead and sputter all you like from this point. I long ago learned not to argue with people about their faith. But I still think you ought to rethink your priorities, even if you'll never agree about evolution.
Piltdown man says, "Yes!"
Not sure where you learned that a fact is either true or false. Was that at a liberal school?
While I don't believe that creationism should be taught in schools, why is there such a need to teach evolution at all?
We can study extinct species without saying "this species begat this one". The jury is still out. Scientists in different nations cannot agree on where man originated or how he came to populate different continents. There may have been some foot travel but there may also have been some boat voyages.
You are right that there are a lot of other things to teach children. So teach them those things that are known rather than those things that are suspected.
Is much time spent on the big bang theory in elementary and high schools?
How about man made global warming which is also a "scientifically" supported theory in some minds?
I would like to propose a theory about the degree of correctness of the bible. The bible says the ratio of the circumference to diameter is 3.0. It is a modern "law or tautology" that the ratio is 3.14159 (+ a little more).
If we divide 3 by 3.14159 we should get an actual measure of the correctness of the bible. This demonstrates that bible is 95.5% accurate.
If we assume that the a part of the 4.5% error is in the creation story, we can put these crevo debates to bed forever.
Nice post- they say I'm a Troll cause im new to FR and live by science, but you said it all brother.
You CAN be a conservative and still understand the scientific method.
You cant just pick and choose which parts of objective reality appeal to your politics- talk about relativism !
Show me any evidence against evolution derived from the scientific method, and I'll gladly agree that it did not happen.
Here come the cranks !