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Finding Darwin's God OR Evolution and Christianity are Compatible
Brown Alumni Magazine ^ | November, 1999 | Kenneth Miller

Posted on 02/02/2005 6:19:41 PM PST by curiosity

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To: VadeRetro
IOW, I had matters of substance completely correct.

Actually you are wrong.

Each new "missing link" does create two new gaps. What you failed to take into consideration is the "missing link" REMOVES a gap and you forget to apply the subtraction.

You tried to claim it was exponential when the claim is merely: every missing link creates two new gaps which is absolutely true (in concept)

This is a logic exercise - I am not arguing about the fossil record.

241 posted on 02/03/2005 5:38:18 PM PST by Last Visible Dog
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To: Last Visible Dog

You're arguing semantics. It's what I said. The function outputs n+1 gaps and not 2n when you put in n fossils.

You've already admitted your argument is purely semantic. Now go find somebody you fool.


242 posted on 02/03/2005 5:43:08 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: jwalsh07; <1/1,000,000th%
ID doesn't claim any such thing.

correction made.

243 posted on 02/03/2005 5:47:03 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (Evolution is to ID/Creation as the Free-market is to Socialism.)
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To: shubi

KenHam is taller


244 posted on 02/03/2005 5:47:14 PM PST by RaceBannon ((Prov 28:1 KJV) The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion.)
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To: shubi

oh, good grief, billions of dead things, buried in rock layers all over the world...

You need more evidence than that?

Lookat the continents shape, they were once one, like the Bible says


245 posted on 02/03/2005 5:48:04 PM PST by RaceBannon ((Prov 28:1 KJV) The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion.)
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To: shubi
Darwin's views and Christ are not incompatible.

Darwin seemed to think so. At least that is what he said.
And I agree with him.

But I do believe it is possible for a person to be a genuine Christian, and still believe in evolution. I just think they are mistaken this issue.

246 posted on 02/03/2005 5:49:08 PM PST by Jorge
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To: curiosity; bondserv
Each of the great Western monotheistic traditions sees God as truth, love, and knowledge.

Read the sentence above and note how the author of this article is inclined to elevate "knowledge" to the level of "truth" and "love," as if the former were an essential attribute of God.

I don't know which traditions this fellow is referring to, but he does not speak for biblical texts wherein the essence of God is set forth. Omniscience (knowledge of all things) is an attribute that is not trumpeted, but given, just like the laws of nature that operate apart from our knowledge. Nor is "knowledge" a moral imperative where man is concerned. In fact it is, according to the earliest biblical accounts, a quest for "knowledge" that lead to a great divorce between God and man. As a result we cannot even be sure of eyewitness testimony from others, let alone ourselves.

According to the biblical texts, "Love" is how the Creator would be revealed in essence, and it is well-demonstrated in the fact that He allows human science to soil His creation with so much blather.

The author of this article sets up a straw man in asserting that faith seeks proof of God in the unknown. Besides, even Meyerowitz has not fully explained how flowers came into being.

Pure science does nothing more than substantiate the fact there is a God who created, and who sustains, the universe we observe to this day. Unfortunately the philosophy of evolution has somehow gained credibility as if it were pure science.

247 posted on 02/03/2005 5:54:06 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: VadeRetro
You're arguing semantics. It's what I said. The function outputs n+1 gaps and not 2n when you put in n fossils.

Actually you are arguing semantics and I am arguing logic.

There is no question each new missing link creates two new gaps - no matter how you try to word it:

A-------Z one gap a-z

A---M---Z two new gaps a-m and m-z (a-z no longer exists)

A-G-M---Z two new gaps a-g and g-m (a-m no longer exists)

A-G-M-Q-Z two new gaps m-q and q-z (m-z no longer exists)

A-C-G-M-Q-Z two new gaps a-c and c-g (a-g no longer exists)

ad infinitum

248 posted on 02/03/2005 5:56:01 PM PST by Last Visible Dog
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To: Last Visible Dog
The function outputs n+1 gaps and not 2n when you put in n fossils.

Wrong.

The function outputs (n+2)-1 gaps

249 posted on 02/03/2005 6:04:43 PM PST by Last Visible Dog
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To: Last Visible Dog
Actually you are arguing semantics and I am arguing logic.

Who is your target audience here? The person dumb enough to be fooled? Is this person allowed to stay up this late?

I have correctly stated the output of the function for all values of n, not just n = 1. The general solution is always preferred to special cases.

I gave an example of adding three fossils and getting out four gaps and cited that the function is f(n) = n + 1, not n * 2. Please show for the case of n = 50 where my version is wrong and yours is correct.

250 posted on 02/03/2005 6:09:08 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: Last Visible Dog
The function outputs (n+2)-1 gaps

Now you're showing your math ignorance. Functions don't output complex expressions. Complex expressions go in. Single values go out.

You are incompetent to discuss this.

251 posted on 02/03/2005 6:11:16 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: Thatcherite
What is interesting about this is that it is a prediction of ToE that transitional fossils will be hard to classify and therefore evolutionists are likely to debate this issue;

Absolutely amazing. We can't even decide on how to classify the evidence, yet insist it is clear enough to support the theory beyond any questioning.

252 posted on 02/03/2005 6:17:56 PM PST by frgoff
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To: VadeRetro
I'll say it first, just to be clear. This function outputs an integer, not an ASCII string.
253 posted on 02/03/2005 6:25:54 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: Last Visible Dog

Any mainline church would accept my view.


254 posted on 02/03/2005 6:36:13 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: RaceBannon

AIG hand waving is not evidence. What is your evidence for a global flood?

It can't be fossils, which are in chronological order and dated over millions of years.

You would have to use evidence besides the evidence that demonstrates AIG nonsense to be false.


255 posted on 02/03/2005 6:39:19 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: Fester Chugabrew

"Unfortunately the philosophy of evolution has somehow gained credibility as if it were pure science."

Do you ever go off script? Saying the same thing repeatedly makes it no more true than repeating 2=3.

Biology is pure science. Evolution is a fact. Creation is not in evolution. Deal with it.


256 posted on 02/03/2005 6:41:19 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: VadeRetro

He will carry on like this until beddybye time. LOL


257 posted on 02/03/2005 6:41:57 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: shubi
You've noticed that, too. Even as creos go, there's a particularly disturbing pattern evident in LVD, Southack, Fester Chugabrew, and Havoc.

Some of the others are never wrong as well, but they'll end it at some point if only by sneaking off in a barrage of distractions and accusations. The aforenamed are never outlasted and never halfway plausible.

258 posted on 02/03/2005 6:45:11 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: frgoff

It is not necessary to have an accurate classification system at all. It is a convenience to decide what has descended from what. Since some could be in two different categories, it supports the theory rather than weakens it.

If we were to find fossils that reflected only what we see today, that would be evidence for creationism. Since we don't, creationism is false.


259 posted on 02/03/2005 6:45:47 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: VadeRetro

I have been debating this looniness for years. Nothing surprises me. What I have noticed is the ID people tend to try to disguise what their positions are. This allows them to maintain credibility a bit longer.

But after a short time the wheels come off the wagon.


260 posted on 02/03/2005 6:48:18 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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