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Oppose Amnesty for Illegal Aliens
The Coalition for the Future American Worker (CFAW) ^

Posted on 02/03/2005 9:58:41 PM PST by Coleus

Urge your representative and senators to oppose amnesty for illegal aliens, in any shape or form.
 
The Bush administration will continue to push for some form of amnesty. A statement posted on the White House website (http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/immigration/) in a report covering President Bush’s January 7th White House meeting during which he discussed his immigration policy, stated:
 
“On January 7, 2004 President Bush proposed a new temporary worker prrogram to match willing foreign workers with willing U.S. employers when no Americans can be found to fill the jobs. The program would be open to new foreign workers, and to the undocumented men and women currently employed in the U.S. This new program would allow workers who currently hold jobs to come out of hiding and participate legally in America’s economy while not encouraging further illegal behavior.”
 
Incredibly, the same statement adds: “President Bush does not support amnesty because individuals who violate America’s laws should not be rewarded for illegal behavior and because amnesty perpetuates illegal immigration.”
 
However, there is strong opposition in Congress among the president’s own party. A January 12th Reuters news report noted that Rep. Tom Tancredo (R-Colo), who heads the House Immigration Reform Caucus, was determined
to block any amnesty legislation.
 
check out congressional members’ “Immigration Report Cards” at http://www.betterimmigration.com/reportcardintro.html


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1 posted on 02/03/2005 9:58:41 PM PST by Coleus
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2 posted on 02/03/2005 9:59:06 PM PST by Coleus (What was Ted Kennedy and his nephew doing on Good Friday in 1991? Getting Drunk and Raping Women)
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To: Coleus; jveritas; bayourod; Howlin; Once-Ler
Of course the President is opposed to amnesty and has never proposed it but why lets facts get in the way of a good rant?
3 posted on 02/03/2005 10:07:01 PM PST by COEXERJ145
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To: Coleus

Your link at the top doesn't work.

This "story" is over a year old.


4 posted on 02/03/2005 10:11:15 PM PST by Howlin (It's a great day to be an American -- and a Bush Republican!!!!)
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To: COEXERJ145

of course the washington times (a newspaper loved by freepers) is lying

"and some are blaming President Bush's immigration proposal in January for enticing immigrants across the border."

http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20040416-120211-3587r.htm

Could it be the Jan 7th speech?


5 posted on 02/03/2005 10:11:32 PM PST by Coleus (What was Ted Kennedy and his nephew doing on Good Friday in 1991? Getting Drunk and Raping Women)
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To: COEXERJ145

“President Bush does not support amnesty because individuals who violate America’s laws should not be rewarded for illegal behavior and because amnesty perpetuates illegal immigration.”


6 posted on 02/03/2005 10:12:47 PM PST by Howlin (It's a great day to be an American -- and a Bush Republican!!!!)
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To: Howlin

"individuals who violate America’s laws should not be rewarded"

Whew! I'm glad that's taken care of. What exactly are they doing to violators? Deporting them? Nope.


7 posted on 02/03/2005 10:18:08 PM PST by endthematrix (Declare 2005 as the year the battle for freedom from tax slavery!)
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To: endthematrix

Bump.


8 posted on 02/03/2005 10:20:08 PM PST by TheBrotherhood (There is more to life than "the party." Please visit www.terrisfight.org)
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To: endthematrix

I'll put you down in the "Do Nothing" column.


9 posted on 02/03/2005 10:23:24 PM PST by Howlin (It's a great day to be an American -- and a Bush Republican!!!!)
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To: Howlin
I'm not in the "Do ANYTHING" column, just guard the border, enforce the laws and give social services the task to identify illegals. Give local LE authority to question, detain and deport and bill the Feds for the cost.
10 posted on 02/03/2005 10:35:06 PM PST by endthematrix (Declare 2005 as the year the battle for freedom from tax slavery!)
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To: endthematrix
Of course, you realize that the Bush Administration IS doing that now, right?

Give local LE authority to question, detain and deport

They did.

The Bush "plan" is the only serious contender out there; if it isn't implemented in some form, there's going to be nothing offered in its place.

11 posted on 02/03/2005 10:37:52 PM PST by Howlin (It's a great day to be an American -- and a Bush Republican!!!!)
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To: endthematrix
No,you're in the "FORTRESS AMERICA" column and nothing else will ever please you.

Did you even listen to what President Bush said last night?

12 posted on 02/03/2005 10:39:43 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Coleus
Most political observers agree that if President Bush had not increased his Hispanic vote about 10 points over his year 2000 percentage, he would not have won the election.

Had President Bus not made the efforts he did during the last four years to attract Hispanic voters we would have a President Kerry today.

If we alienate the Hispanic voters with racists talk about them destroying our culture, ruining our neighborhoods, being gang criminals, welfare abusers, unloyal, disease ridden, lazy, unsanitary, etc... we will not get enough of their votes to win the White House in 2008.

If we had not won this last year and if we don't win in 2008 we will probably never change the abortion laws in our lifetime.

All economists recognize the need for immigrant labor in America now. The current immigration laws aren't allowing a sufficient number in. Now we can simply raise the number of immigrants allowed in and expedite the process where it only takes a few weeks to get a green card instead of several years, or instead we can enact a guest worker program that only allows the number and type of immigrant laborers needed in, and who will return home after several years.

We can discuss immigration in a non-offensive manner or we can revert to the insulting, inflammatory rhetoric that the Buchanan/Tancredo, FAIR, CIS etc... professional fundraisers use to solicit contributions from racists and xenophobes.

If we alienate our Hispanic voters , hundreds of millions of babies will die in the following decades.

13 posted on 02/03/2005 10:46:14 PM PST by bayourod (Unless we get over 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2008, President Hillary will take all your guns away.)
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To: nopardons
Thanks for your asumptions.

Yeah the speech was great, and I agree regarding the end result being a closed border and his rejection of amnesty. I don't necessarily believe the effort has been made.
14 posted on 02/03/2005 10:50:19 PM PST by endthematrix (Declare 2005 as the year the battle for freedom from tax slavery!)
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To: bayourod
"hundreds of millions of babies will die"

If you ended that with a /sarcasm tag, I'd say that was a good one. Are you in advertising? Used cars?

15 posted on 02/03/2005 10:53:51 PM PST by endthematrix (Declare 2005 as the year the battle for freedom from tax slavery!)
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To: endthematrix
You're the one who made ASSumptions;not I.

The majority of the problems re illegal aliens are on the state and local levels;yet most people on FR rush to blame President Bush for everything.

16 posted on 02/03/2005 10:54:33 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Coleus

This is where I get called a racist for supporting the deportation of all illegal immigrants, so I might as well say I support the deportation of all illegal immigrants with the cost of this operation to be deducted from the Constitutionally unauthorized aid we send the country in question.


17 posted on 02/03/2005 10:55:36 PM PST by 82Marine89 (U.S. Marines- Part of the Navy....The men's department.)
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To: endthematrix
You're correct, I should have said tens of millions instead of hundreds of millions.

But if we lose the Hispanic vote like we lost the black vote because of racists such as Buchanan, we may never win the White House again. How many abortions will take place in the next 50 years?

18 posted on 02/03/2005 11:01:31 PM PST by bayourod (Unless we get over 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2008, President Hillary will take all your guns away.)
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To: nopardons

I'm the first to say Bush is commendable in that he split the INS. One half attempting to get illegals here, the other processing deportation hearings -crazy! It is true that problems are at the state and local levels. It is there that the majority of the public and private organizations encourage and perpetuate it. As for the Fed level, porous borders is a national security concern.


19 posted on 02/03/2005 11:04:08 PM PST by endthematrix (Declare 2005 as the year the battle for freedom from tax slavery!)
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To: bayourod

I read a "good" CBS poll on black voting. A staggering percentage of blacks are fed up with the democrats. They feel left behind, duped and used for an agenda. But they still voted for that party.


20 posted on 02/03/2005 11:08:52 PM PST by endthematrix (Declare 2005 as the year the battle for freedom from tax slavery!)
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To: endthematrix
Look,for the umpteenth time,there will NEVER be a "FORTRESS AMERICA";it can't be done.When are you and Pat going to realize that?

Do you want planes to stop flying in and out of the USA? What about cargo ships and passenger liners and cruise ships? Throw in fishing trawlers too,while you're at it.

You begin by sounding so reasonable and then you plummet off the deep end. *sigh*

21 posted on 02/03/2005 11:13:09 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Coleus

22 posted on 02/03/2005 11:14:32 PM PST by seastay
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To: endthematrix
"They feel left behind, duped and used for an agenda. But they still voted for that party"

Once a pattern is established it's hard to break it. White Southerners voted Democrat until the 80s simply because Lincoln was a Republican.

That's why it's very important not to drive Hispanics into the Democrat party by use of the inflammatory rhetoric used by scam artists to con people into sending them money.

There is no "invasion", our "sonerienty" is not threatened, Hispanics do not represent a "threat to our children's' future", Mexican gangs aren't taking over our neighborhoods, we are not in danger of "losing our culture", our schools aren't being "overrun" nor our hospital emergency rooms "flooded" ....

Hispanic laborers wouldn't be here if we didn't want them.

23 posted on 02/03/2005 11:25:43 PM PST by bayourod (Unless we get over 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2008, President Hillary will take all your guns away.)
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To: nopardons
"Do you want planes to stop flying in and out of the USA? What about cargo ships and passenger liners and cruise ships?"

That deals with illegal immigration...how? C'mon. What else do I want, so you can make a bogus point?

24 posted on 02/03/2005 11:28:50 PM PST by endthematrix (Declare 2005 as the year the battle for freedom from tax slavery!)
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To: bayourod

Great post


25 posted on 02/03/2005 11:31:30 PM PST by PRND21
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To: endthematrix
I made NO "bogus" points at all. Thousands upon thousands of illegal aliens come to this country in planes and all kinds of ships.Why don't you want air and seaways closed? Why is it that you are able to only think about one or two borders,when there are FOUR borders;all of which are being used by illegals as gateways into America?
26 posted on 02/03/2005 11:35:04 PM PST by nopardons
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To: bayourod
I don't live on the border states of the USA, I live in Aurora, Illinois. How far do you think I am from Mexican gangs taking over the neighborhood?

Of course, we are discussing Mexican illegals, which dominate the subject, but I'm concerned with all illegal immigration. I'm an equal opportunity discriminator against those sneaking across without going through the proper channels.

BTW, inner city Aurora is a dump. You might not get photos of it on Google, but you get the drug busts and gang arrest stories.
27 posted on 02/03/2005 11:36:49 PM PST by endthematrix (Declare 2005 as the year the battle for freedom from tax slavery!)
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To: endthematrix

Aurora was a dump and full of gangs almost 20 years ago.


28 posted on 02/03/2005 11:39:03 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Coleus

Free Republic Opinion Poll: After hearing President Bush's speech, do you approve of his immigration reform plan?

Composite Opinion
No 68.0% 2,321
Yes 21.0% 717
Undecided 11.0% 374
100.0% 3,412
Member Opinion
No 67.9% 2,302
Yes 21.1% 715
Undecided 11.0% 374
100.0% 3,391
Non-Member Opinion
No 90.5% 19
Yes 9.5% 2
Undecided 0.0% 0
100.0% 21


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Source here: http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/poll

If I recall correctly, this poll was published some time after Bush's speech on "immigration reform" last year.

Conservatives who oppose his de facto amnesty are by far the majority.


29 posted on 02/03/2005 11:40:16 PM PST by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: nopardons
Your infamous as well as MSM to blur immigration with illegal immigration. And although a moratorium on immigration may be feasible to sort this out. To you dismay, I don't wish to see a stop to immigration. Only the ILLEGAL kind.
30 posted on 02/03/2005 11:41:02 PM PST by endthematrix (Declare 2005 as the year the battle for freedom from tax slavery!)
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To: bayourod
That's why it's very important not to drive Hispanics into the Democrat party by use of the inflammatory rhetoric used by scam artists to con people into sending them money.

Hispanics can't be driven into the arms of Democrats; they're already there.

There is no "invasion", our "sonerienty" is not threatened, Hispanics do not represent a "threat to our children's' future", Mexican gangs aren't taking over our neighborhoods, we are not in danger of "losing our culture", our schools aren't being "overrun" nor our hospital emergency rooms "flooded" ....

You're either joking or delusional. I suspect it's the latter.

32 posted on 02/03/2005 11:45:42 PM PST by Penner
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To: COEXERJ145
Of course the President is opposed to amnesty and has never proposed it but why lets facts get in the way of a good rant?

Sure he is.

33 posted on 02/03/2005 11:47:23 PM PST by Penner
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To: endthematrix
Houston is 40% Hispanic and has one of the largest concentrations of illegal aliens.

We had a gang problem in the 80s but we got it under control with good police activity. Gangs will always exist in poor neighborhoods but they are insignificant in Houston now.

If you have a gang problem don't let your local politicians scapegoat immigrants.

Gangs are a crime problem, not an immigration issue, and should be addressed as a crime problem, not debated as an immigration issue.

34 posted on 02/03/2005 11:48:44 PM PST by bayourod (Unless we get over 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2008, President Hillary will take all your guns away.)
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To: Penner
You aren't a Republican are you? Are you one of those third party type who want the Republican Party to collapse because you think that all the Republicans would then join your party?
35 posted on 02/04/2005 12:00:51 AM PST by bayourod (Unless we get over 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2008, President Hillary will take all your guns away.)
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To: Coleus

Thank you. I sent off faxes to my representatives.


36 posted on 02/04/2005 12:01:10 AM PST by KittyKares
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To: endthematrix

Some examples:

In Los Angeles, 95 percent of all outstanding warrants for homicide (which total 1,200 to 1,500) target illegal aliens. Up to two-thirds of all fugitive felony warrants (17,000) are for illegal aliens.

A confidential California Department of Justice study reported in 1995 that 60 percent of the 20,000-strong 18th Street Gang in southern California is illegal; police officers say the proportion is actually much greater. The bloody gang collaborates with the Mexican Mafia, the dominant force in California prisons, on complex drug-distribution schemes, extortion, and drive-by assassinations, and commits an assault or robbery every day in L.A. County. The gang has grown dramatically over the last two decades by recruiting recently arrived youngsters, most of them illegal, from Central America and Mexico.


http://www.freedomunderground.org/view.php?v=3&t=3&l=1&aid=8676


37 posted on 02/04/2005 12:04:37 AM PST by seastay
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To: endthematrix
I'm "infamous"? ME? I'm like the MSM,when it is YOU who don't know that illegals pour into America hourly,in planes and ships of all kinds? And where did you get ever get the idiotic idea that I'm against LEGAL immigration?

There are thousands upon thousands of illegal Russian and Chinese GANSTERS/HOODS/CRIMINALAS here illegally; Arabs too and Pakistanis and Nigerians and Irish ones too...not a one of whom got here through the southern or northern borders of the USA!They came here on planes and in ships!

It really hurts your position,MIGHTILY,not knowing very much about the topic you so fervently want to harangue others about.

38 posted on 02/04/2005 12:49:48 AM PST by nopardons
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To: Coleus

BTTT


39 posted on 02/04/2005 7:51:26 AM PST by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: KittyKares

Thanks.

I see the FR put this in the smokey backroom.

Maybe you can e mail this thread to your friends and ping some freepers to it.


40 posted on 02/04/2005 11:43:40 AM PST by Coleus (What was Ted Kennedy and his nephew doing on Good Friday in 1991? Getting Drunk and Raping Women)
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To: bayourod
Please, why don't you talk to Hispanics and get some facts.

Most Hispanics came here legally and ARE AGAINST ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, lived through 9-11, despise illegals and want the borders protected.

don't you know about the Hispanic gang M13? They have aligned themselves with al quaeda.

there were 14,000 non Hispanics brought through the Mexican Border last year.

This is one of the means by which the terrorists enter this country illegally.

This isn't a racial issue, it's a constitutional and terroristic issue.

I'm well aware of how the President won the election and if it weren't for the various splinter groups involved he would have lost.

Including the pro life group, Howlin

41 posted on 02/04/2005 11:52:55 AM PST by Coleus (What was Ted Kennedy and his nephew doing on Good Friday in 1991? Getting Drunk and Raping Women)
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To: KittyKares; seastay; Coleus; All

ILLEGAL ALIEN HANDBOOK BY THE STATE OF COLORADO

LOU DOBBS, CNN. Aired 2/2/05

CASEY WIAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT : The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that children of illegal aliens are entitled to an education in this country, but some say the Colorado Department of Education has taken that too far.

Until this week, its Web site offered a Spanish language brochure called Survival Guide for Recent Arrivals to Colorado. Along with information useful to legal immigrants, it contains tips clearly intended for illegal aliens.

The guide advises "The job of the police is not to report you to immigration"; "Always carry the name and phone number of an attorney who will take your calls"; Some lawyers help illegal aliens for a very low price"; and "Many businesses employ illegal aliens since they do not have the responsibility to investigate the legal status of employees.

The guide was endorsed by Denver's Mexican consulate, but it also contained a welcome message from Colorado Governor Bill Owens who says he thought it was advice for legal immigrants. Governor Owens ordered it removed from the state's Web site this week after Colorado Congressman Tom Tancredo wrote a letter of protest.

REP. TOM TANCREDO (R), COLORADO: It's amazing. What would the Mexican government do if we did something like that? They would immediately file a protest. Yet we are really silent on it because I think we are co-conspirators.

WIAN: The booklet was produced and distributed by an immigrant education group called Focus Points Family Resource Center. It said in a statement, "The guide tries to inform people of their rights. It informs people how to navigate the community safely."

Funding came in part from First Data Western Union, which profits from illegal aliens sending money home. The guide even mentions Western Union and includes a sample family budget showing $200 for relatives in Mexico.

WIAN: The Colorado Department of Education's director of English language acquisition says the guide contains lots of useful information, and, if some portions are raising concerns, he'd like to see them modified so the rest of the document can be used.

While it's off the state Web site, it was still on the Denver public school district's Web site late today

DOBBS: Congressman Tancredo said -- I mean, I just -- this leaves one almost speechless. How in the world does Governor Owens justify both his imprimatur on that product in permitting a state government department to produce it?

WIAN: Well, he says that he thought it was a guide for legal immigrants. It's, frankly, very tough to square with the reading of the guide, even in Spanish. It's very clear that a lot of the information in it is directed at illegal aliens, information that legal immigrants would probably have no use for.

DOBBS: Casey, thank you very much.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0502/02/ldt.01.html


42 posted on 02/04/2005 12:21:31 PM PST by JustAnotherSavage ("We are all sinners. But jerks revel in their sins." PJ O'Rourke)
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To: Coleus
"Please, why don't you talk to Hispanics and get some facts. "

Why should a person with an Hispanic surname know more facts than I? Do you know the facts? Are you Hispanic? Are Hispanic babies born knowing facts that Anglo babies aren't

Does Gallup have secrete polls that only people with Hispanic surnames are allowed to view? Is Gallup Hispanic?

Do all Hispanics know about M13 and how many OTMs entered last year? If I take your suggestion and ask an Hispanic for the facts and he tells them to me, then a non-Hispanic would know the facts. If non-Hispanics are allowed to know the facts then why can't I learn the facts from another non-Hispanic?

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"This is one of the means by which the terrorists enter this country illegally. "

No it isn't. There hasn't been a single documented case of a terrorist entering the U.S. by jumping the southern border. The risk of being caught is greater than if they simply fly in on a commercial airplane on a six month tourist visa or from one of the 60 nations from which no visa is needed.

43 posted on 02/04/2005 1:40:30 PM PST by bayourod (Unless we get over 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2008, President Hillary will take all your guns away.)
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To: JustAnotherSavage

What does "smokey backroom" mean?


44 posted on 02/04/2005 11:10:14 PM PST by KittyKares
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To: Klickitat; NRA2BFree

ping


45 posted on 02/04/2005 11:18:48 PM PST by KittyKares
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To: bayourod
There hasn't been a single documented case of a terrorist entering the U.S. by jumping the southern border.

Gee, I feel so much better now that I know they're NOT documented. Let's just wait until they "jump the southern border" and kill a few hundred thousand people and THEN we'll document it. < / sarcasm >

Sometimes you amaze me with your lack of understanding of the many problems with illegal immigration.

46 posted on 02/05/2005 12:41:07 AM PST by NRA2BFree (NO AMNESTY, NO UN, NO PC, NO BS, NO MSM, NO WHINY @SS LIBERAL BEDWETTERS, NO LIBERAL JUDGES! YEAH!)
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To: KittyKares

That means articles posted to "news" etc usually get put in the "smokey backroom"(where they don't appear on the forum page as much) usually if they are about illegal immigration.


47 posted on 02/05/2005 9:53:02 AM PST by JustAnotherSavage ("We are all sinners. But jerks revel in their sins." PJ O'Rourke)
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To: COEXERJ145

Bush's "guest worker" program is de facto amnesty and
has been described as such by Rush Limbaugh, National
Review, Commentary, Lou Dobbs, Weekly Standard, an
increasingly large number of congress, and the public
(Gallup poll 1/31/05). As Tom Tancredo said, " A pig
with lipstick is still a pig." Right now Bush is part
of the problem, not the solution.


48 posted on 02/05/2005 12:01:23 PM PST by T.L.Sink (stopew)
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To: k2blader
Thanks, I'm glad I'm not alone.

Seems the FR has something to hide, they put this thread in the Smokey back room as if we were arguing about this. Most on the FR are in agreement.
49 posted on 02/07/2005 11:53:35 AM PST by Coleus (Oppose Amnesty for Illegal Aliens http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1335643/posts)
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To: Dad yer funny

read the post linked to this ping and get back to me.


50 posted on 02/08/2005 11:32:35 PM PST by Yehuda (AMERICA: LAND OF THE FREE, THANKS TO THE BRAVE!)
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