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Maybe! (Santorum is about to become Ex-Senator Santorum)
Politics PA ^ | Uncertain | Dr. G. Terry Madonna , Dr. Michael Young

Posted on 03/29/2005 6:40:35 AM PST by Conservative Goddess

Some very smart people believe that U.S. Senator Rick Santorum is poised to become ex- Senator Santorum, a casualty of his scheduled re-election contest next year with State Treasurer Bob Casey.

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In fact, a close look at the record suggests that his confrontational style and conservative rhetoric conceals more than it reveals. Too much attention has been spent on Santorum the cultural ideologue and not enough on his pragmatism and political opportunism; inside this raging bull of a conservative is a pragmatist for whom getting re-elected always trumps ideology, which may not make him any different than other politicians.

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The independent and much respected National Journal’s rating system cited here is probably the most highly regarded measure of its kind. What its analysis reveals is that Pennsylvania’s junior senator consistently shifts toward the center in those years just before his reelection. Santorum may continue to talk like a conservative, but he’s voting like a pragmatist. Last year, for example, according to the Journal, Santorum was actually narrowly left of the Republican center, with his votes placing him closer to Arlen Specter than to his more conservative colleagues.

Last year was not the only year he moved left. He did the same in the run up to his 2000 re-election. The year before the election, he supported a decidedly un-conservative sales tax hike in 11 western Pennsylvania counties to build new sport stadiums in Pittsburgh, campaigned for pro choice Christy Todd Whitman, and supported increasing the minimum wage. In 2000, he supported federal funding for several Pennsylvania projects, including money for aquatic habitat. He also fought to save the health care benefits of 560, 000 Pennsylvanians who participated in the Medicare+Choice program. Most revealing of all, he backed off his commitment for the 1997-balanced budget act.

Similarly, this election cycle, Santorum is showing renewed interest in transportation and other Pennsylvania pork barrel appropriations. Indeed, he has now become a key player in bringing the bacon back home. He has also held high profile press conferences with John Kerry promoting a measure that would accommodate workers’ religious practices and with Hillary Clinton for money to study the effects of TV viewing, Internet and other media on children. And he is now rethinking his position in favor of capital punishment.

Santorum even now supports Clinton’s Americorps program that he once ridiculed as a colossal waste of taxpayer’s money for kids to sit around campfires singing kum ba yah.

His conservative talk and moderate walk were on display recently in key congressional budget votes. Initially, the “conservative” Santorum voted against a variety of Senate initiatives to restore budget cuts by the House--from Medicaid to Homeland Security grants, to education, and even Amtrak funding. But then on cue, the “moderate” Santorum, voted with the majority, 51 to 49, on final passage to restore the cuts to education, Medicaid, and the other domestic programs he had previously not supported.

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But this focus on Santorum’s high profile rhetoric has been myopic, causing his adversaries to miss much that is important. In particular, insufficient attention has been paid to Santorum’s unflagging work at his party’s grass roots; how he’s established comprehensive constituency services; how he’s worked tirelessly for Republicans--ask Arlen Specter about this--and how he has joined Specter in the Pennsylvania pork brigade. And far too little notice has been given to how he has blended his conservative zealotry with political pragmatism.

Maybe Democrats will learn the lesson taught here. Maybe they will learn not to underestimate Santorum. Maybe they will learn to watch what he does more closely than what he says. Maybe they will learn to take him less seriously as an ideologue and more seriously as a politician. And maybe they will finally defeat him next year. Maybe!


TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: casey; caseysfreeperteam; circularfiringsquad; dutrolls; eatourown; electionussenate; newbie; pennsylvania; rino; santorum; toomeyloonies; troll
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This litany from "The most conservative Senator." Conservatives like this erode the party from within, and are arguably more dangerous than Democrats who are open and honest about what they believe and vote accordingly. Santorum is the enemy within.

Hat Tip to Chris Lilik and www.grassrootspa.com.

1 posted on 03/29/2005 6:40:36 AM PST by Conservative Goddess
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To: Conservative Goddess

Gee...then Pennsylvania will have two democrat moderates in the Senate.


2 posted on 03/29/2005 6:42:46 AM PST by harpu
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To: YCTHouston; Badray; smokeyb

Ping.


3 posted on 03/29/2005 6:43:33 AM PST by Conservative Goddess (Veritas vos Liberabit, in Vino, Veritas....QED, Vino vos Liberabit)
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To: Conservative Goddess

Get rid of the PA Governor. Do something that would help.


4 posted on 03/29/2005 6:45:04 AM PST by bmwcyle (Washington DC RINO Hunting Guide)
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To: Conservative Goddess
Hogwash. Santorum's ACU rating for 2004 was 96, six points higher than 1993.

I didn't like his support for Specter, either. But that's water under the bridge. A choice between Santorum and Casey is a no-brainer. Santorum.

5 posted on 03/29/2005 6:45:36 AM PST by TheBigB (TheBigB and Fierce Allegance -- the Dirk Diggler and Reed Rothchild of FR!)
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To: Conservative Goddess

Bump. He--like Mr. Bush--talks a good game, but always seems to be loudest on issues that can't be won, while remaining quiet where leadership is needed and can win a battle.


6 posted on 03/29/2005 6:46:32 AM PST by jammer
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To: jammer

I agree. It's time someone holds him accountable for his demonstrated duplicity and lack of leadership at critical points.


7 posted on 03/29/2005 6:48:46 AM PST by Conservative Goddess (Veritas vos Liberabit, in Vino, Veritas....QED, Vino vos Liberabit)
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To: bmwcyle

I've seen some articles that say Ed may run for President.

And we all thought Kerry was a joke!


8 posted on 03/29/2005 6:48:57 AM PST by gruffwolf
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To: harpu

Looks like the Democrats have found a home on FR! Talk about from within! Can you believe the number of new screen names on here claiming to be "conservative" but wanting Democrats elected. Anyone is better than a Republican conservative crowd.

This is a bunch of hogwash again!


9 posted on 03/29/2005 6:49:18 AM PST by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Increase Republicans in Congress in 2006!)
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To: Conservative Goddess

The Rats and the MSM are doing their best to bring him down. They did it with Newt.


10 posted on 03/29/2005 6:50:08 AM PST by Piquaboy (22 year veteran of the Army, Air Force and Navy, Pray for all our military .)
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To: gruffwolf
That would be laughable.
11 posted on 03/29/2005 6:50:24 AM PST by Conservative Goddess (Veritas vos Liberabit, in Vino, Veritas....QED, Vino vos Liberabit)
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To: Piquaboy

Don't blame the rats and the MSM. He's done this to himself by saying one thing, and doing the exact opposite. It's time, past time, that he's held accountable to those voters who elected him because of his stated position on the pro-life issue. At a CRITICAL juncture, the ascension of Arlen, he turned his back on every one of those voters. Enough.


12 posted on 03/29/2005 6:52:44 AM PST by Conservative Goddess (Veritas vos Liberabit, in Vino, Veritas....QED, Vino vos Liberabit)
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To: gruffwolf

Bill Clinton beat Ed as the first Mobster President.


13 posted on 03/29/2005 6:53:08 AM PST by bmwcyle (Washington DC RINO Hunting Guide)
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To: Conservative Goddess

KOOK ALERT!


14 posted on 03/29/2005 6:53:09 AM PST by Matchett-PI (The DemocRAT Party is a criminal enterprise full of moral relativists. Pass it on.)
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To: PhiKapMom

God bless America. We need it.


15 posted on 03/29/2005 6:53:26 AM PST by GrannyAnnie (as right as I can be)
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To: Conservative Goddess
That would be laughable

Actually you are with your covert support of casey.

16 posted on 03/29/2005 6:53:31 AM PST by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: Conservative Goddess

I am voting Casey over Santorum. Hell maybe the Dems will retake the Senate, that will show em!!!


17 posted on 03/29/2005 6:54:07 AM PST by FlipWilson
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To: Dane

I do not support Casey, I simply cannot continue to support Santorum and his "conservatism when convenient," "Conservatism when politically expedient."

When we can not trust our elected representatives to vote according to their professed positions, then it's time to oust them, be they Republican, Democrat, Libertarian or Constitutional Party.


18 posted on 03/29/2005 6:56:02 AM PST by Conservative Goddess (Veritas vos Liberabit, in Vino, Veritas....QED, Vino vos Liberabit)
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To: bmwcyle
Do something that would help.

That would be constructive. I have seen a bunch of posts trying to purge Santorum from the party, which is ridiculous and stupid. He has an ACU rating of 96. That is one vote off of being 100% and one of the highest scores out there.

19 posted on 03/29/2005 6:56:48 AM PST by KC_Conspirator (This space outsourced to India)
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To: PhiKapMom
I'm not a new screen name--and if you won't say, "I know it, you're the same old curmudgeon", I won't say, well . . . you know how it descends to petty ad hominems.

I don't want Democrats elected. I want Republicans who are conservatives in more than image elected. Your view of the relative conservatism of different people and my view are what are at issue here. That's fine, but "newbieness" or being trolls has no bearing on any argument. I'm very sorry to say that the evidence has been mounting, and will continue to mount, that the conservative base of the party has been abandoned.

20 posted on 03/29/2005 6:56:52 AM PST by jammer
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To: FlipWilson

How would you suggest rewarding "conservatism when convenient?"


21 posted on 03/29/2005 6:56:52 AM PST by Conservative Goddess (Veritas vos Liberabit, in Vino, Veritas....QED, Vino vos Liberabit)
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To: PhiKapMom

You aren't the only one that has noticed - also noted all the Bush bashing going on (he's terrible, he stinks, would rather vote for a Dem, he's a loser President, I'm switching parties, yadda yadda)One minute you're the greatest thing since sliced bread then your lower than cow dung!! Go figure!!


22 posted on 03/29/2005 6:57:25 AM PST by finallyatexan
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To: Conservative Goddess
agree. It's time someone holds him accountable for his demonstrated duplicity and lack of leadership at critical points.

Oh yeah! Hold him accountable and elect Bob Casey! Unbelievable.

23 posted on 03/29/2005 6:57:33 AM PST by pgkdan
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To: KC_Conspirator
The fact that he has been scored highly by the ACU is of little consequence to those of us who delivered him to office because of his stated position on the pro-life issue. When he allowed Arlen to ascend, all was lost, all was for naught. I will not reward his traitorous behaviour.
24 posted on 03/29/2005 6:58:26 AM PST by Conservative Goddess (Veritas vos Liberabit, in Vino, Veritas....QED, Vino vos Liberabit)
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To: KC_Conspirator

Miss guided anger is the leads to a poor future. Miss guided anger is short term thinking.


25 posted on 03/29/2005 6:58:46 AM PST by bmwcyle (Washington DC RINO Hunting Guide)
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To: finallyatexan

Exactly! Said like a Texan! This has been amazing to watch to say the least!


26 posted on 03/29/2005 6:59:25 AM PST by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Increase Republicans in Congress in 2006!)
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To: Conservative Goddess
I do not support Casey, I simply cannot continue to support Santorum and his "conservatism when convenient," "Conservatism when politically expedient."

You simply just gave your support to casey, the one of two who has a shot at winning the Senate seat in PA in 2006.

Earth to conservative goddess, the political world ain't perfect.

Do me a favor, when you reach your destination called the perfect world, could you send me a postcard. I beleive I will be waiting a long long time.

27 posted on 03/29/2005 6:59:55 AM PST by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: pgkdan
Oh yeah! Hold him accountable and elect Bob Casey! Unbelievable.

That's the typical myopic view. Look longer term. If he isn't held accountable, we will continue to get more of the same, or worse. We might have to stomach Casey--which I would hate--but the next Republican would toe the line, which is what we want.

28 posted on 03/29/2005 7:00:23 AM PST by jammer
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To: pgkdan

Talk is cheap, as Santorum has abundantly shown. What remedy would you suggest for this duplicitous politician? Shall we reward him with re-election? If so, why?


29 posted on 03/29/2005 7:00:43 AM PST by Conservative Goddess (Veritas vos Liberabit, in Vino, Veritas....QED, Vino vos Liberabit)
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To: bmwcyle

How is it misguided to remove a politician who says X, but then does Y? How would you discipline this individual?


30 posted on 03/29/2005 7:01:49 AM PST by Conservative Goddess (Veritas vos Liberabit, in Vino, Veritas....QED, Vino vos Liberabit)
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To: harpu

Not if we can beat Santorum in the primary with a viable, conservative candidate.


31 posted on 03/29/2005 7:02:11 AM PST by RockinRight (Electing Hillary president would be akin to giving a drunken teenage boy keys to the Porsche)
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To: jammer
That's the typical myopic view. Look longer term. If he isn't held accountable, we will continue to get more of the same, or worse. We might have to stomach Casey--which I would hate--but the next Republican would toe the line, which is what we wan

Only to you would a 96% ACU rating be not "toeing the line".

Beam me up Scotty.

32 posted on 03/29/2005 7:02:19 AM PST by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: PhiKapMom
Looks like the Democrats have found a home on FR! Talk about from within! Can you believe the number of new screen names on here claiming to be "conservative" but wanting Democrats elected. Anyone is better than a Republican conservative crowd.

Amen! They're either 'Rats or myopic and self righteous losers! Santorum has a 96% ACU rating and they act as if he's worse than Arlen Spector. They must be infiltrators. I know the GOP has been called the stupid party...but not THAT stupid!

33 posted on 03/29/2005 7:02:41 AM PST by pgkdan
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To: Dane

If we continue to reward this behavior, we'll see more of it. Rick Santorum does not represent the conservatives of PA. The choice in the general election will be between socialism and socialism lite. That is no choice at all. If we don't draw a line in the sand, refuse to cross it, we'll inevitably continue to slouch toward full socialism. We must not allow it! We must hold those politicians whose words and actions are incongruent, accountable.


34 posted on 03/29/2005 7:04:30 AM PST by Conservative Goddess (Veritas vos Liberabit, in Vino, Veritas....QED, Vino vos Liberabit)
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To: Conservative Goddess

"Conservatives like this erode the party from within,..."

No, it's people with unrealistic expectations and very little understanding how things get done who are always ready to turn on a good person and stab them in the back who will erode the party from within.


35 posted on 03/29/2005 7:05:12 AM PST by Ramcat (Thank You American Veterans)
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To: Conservative Goddess
Well, this is sad. Santorum is a good guy, who screwed up by supporting Specter, under a great deal of political pressure.

It doesn't make any sense to let him lose, but I knew that this decision was going to hurt him.

I wonder if the White House will go to bat for him with the same vigor they did for Specter. I would hope so...they owe him that much, at least.

36 posted on 03/29/2005 7:05:48 AM PST by B Knotts
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To: Conservative Goddess
Rick Santorum does not represent the conservatives of PA. The choice in the general election will be between socialism and socialism lite.

You are an absolute, complete, incontrovertable, nutcase.

37 posted on 03/29/2005 7:06:02 AM PST by TheBigB (TheBigB and Fierce Allegance -- the Dirk Diggler and Reed Rothchild of FR!)
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To: Dane

Dane, you got beamed up long ago.


38 posted on 03/29/2005 7:06:13 AM PST by jammer
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To: Conservative Goddess

No, I agree with you, the solution here is to do everything we can to ensure that Casey is elected and Santorum goes down. But why stop there? I betcha everyone of those so called "Conservatives" has voted in a manner not consistent with their beliefs. Lets get them out as well. If we work really hard enough, we can get the Senate, hell even the house, into the Dems hands. That will teach those faux Conservatives a lesson.

Hell, I bet the first thing the new Dem congress would do is impeach that faux Conservative Bush (No Child Left Behind, faaa, Perscription Drug Bill, faaa). Sure, the cause would be screwed, sure the Dems would institute the fairness standard in three seconds flat, sure the Dems would appoint more screwy Judges, sure they would shut this site down faster than you could count to three, but we are after REVENGE here and nothing else matters!!!! Even if we have to shoot oursevles to do it, damn the torpedos man.

Lets recite our new credo:

"better a liberal democrat than a faux conservative
rah rah rah
shoot ourselves in the foot,
hah hah hah,
political suicide
ideological suicide
yuuuuuuheeeeeeeeeeh."


39 posted on 03/29/2005 7:06:49 AM PST by FlipWilson
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To: Conservative Goddess
If we continue to reward this behavior, we'll see more of it. Rick Santorum does not represent the conservatives of PA. The choice in the general election will be between socialism and socialism lite. That is no choice at all.

Yeah a 96% ACU rating is "socilaism lite". JMO, you are obvioulsy a troll, especially when you stated yesterday that Specter picks judicial nominees, when he doesn't the President does.

BTW, how are things going at the casey/rendell HQ basement?

40 posted on 03/29/2005 7:07:40 AM PST by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: TheBigB

You need look only at Santorum's voting record to confirm that assertion.


41 posted on 03/29/2005 7:08:17 AM PST by Conservative Goddess (Veritas vos Liberabit, in Vino, Veritas....QED, Vino vos Liberabit)
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To: jammer

LOL!!! Then you need to move to Oklahoma where we have just elected Dr. Tom Coburn to the United States Senate and took over the Oklahoma House with a whole group of Conservatives. You will find out that we have a big Conservative base out here that got Dr. Tom Coburn elected in probably one of the largest grassroots movements ever.

I have a ton of faith and the only way conservatives are to keep electing more conservatives is to get off the dime of "if you don't like something a conservative did then you are going to show everyone by voting in the RAT." We haven't worked this hard over the years to get more conservatives elected and throw out someone with a 96 ACU Rating because you don't like something he did. That is lame!

Time for "CONSERVATIVES" to wake-up and realize that you are not going to get 100% of what you want in the person you elect but getting 90% or more is a whole lot better than a RAT especially since they have moved further left. Even if they claim to be conservative when they get to D.C., they are under the thumb of Pelosi and Hillary. Very few Zell Millers left that would defy Hillary Clinton in the Senate.


42 posted on 03/29/2005 7:08:57 AM PST by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Increase Republicans in Congress in 2006!)
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To: TheBigB; Conservative Goddess
You are an absolute, complete, incontrovertable[sic], nutcase.

I don't know her, so you may be correct. But her assertion is absolutely, completely, incontrovertibly true.

Meanwhile, your argument is...well, schoolyard trash-mouth.

43 posted on 03/29/2005 7:09:56 AM PST by jammer
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To: PhiKapMom

Hey, I love Coburn. I'm not sure how that self-proclaimed accolade of getting him elected enhanced your argument, however.


44 posted on 03/29/2005 7:11:26 AM PST by jammer
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To: Conservative Goddess

Sometimes being practical is more important than being pure. If you wait for an electable candidate who reflects all your views precisely, you will be waiting a long time I dare say. In any event, Santorum is solid - his views regarding his opposition to gay marriage have echoed, he has been a solid vote for President Bush's programme. He is not in the same catagory as Chaffee, Snowe or the other traitors with an R after their names. I see no gain in turfing him out, only to provide greater power to the likes of Harry Reid.

Regards, Ivan


45 posted on 03/29/2005 7:11:31 AM PST by MadIvan (One blog to bring them all...and in the Darkness bind them: http://www.theringwraith.com/)
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To: FlipWilson

I've voted "pragmatically," delivered the Republicans into the majority, to little avail. We now have Arlen Specter, a man who ran for President on a platform which included removing the pro-life plank from the Republican platform, chairing the Judiciary Committee. I cannot and will not support the man responsible for that: Rick Santorum.


46 posted on 03/29/2005 7:12:13 AM PST by Conservative Goddess (Veritas vos Liberabit, in Vino, Veritas....QED, Vino vos Liberabit)
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To: pgkdan

I am with you -- I read this and just started shaking my head. Have never seen so many vanities either by people I don't know -- maybe this is Howard Dean's plan for FR -- if you cannot beat them then have your people join them and work from within!


47 posted on 03/29/2005 7:12:56 AM PST by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Increase Republicans in Congress in 2006!)
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To: Conservative Goddess; jammer
Heer assertion is not only false, it's demonstrably false.

RICK SANTORUM 2004 VOTES (per ACU)

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25
+ + - + + + + + + + + + + + + A + + + + + A + + +

ONE negative vote, 2 absences, 22 positive votes. Yessir, Marxism if I've ever seen it.

She's a grade-A kook.

48 posted on 03/29/2005 7:13:20 AM PST by TheBigB (TheBigB and Fierce Allegance -- the Dirk Diggler and Reed Rothchild of FR!)
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To: Conservative Goddess

It's 'single issue' proponents like you that make me sick. Pro-Life.Pro-Life.Pro-Life. Get a grip and realize that some of you 'holier than thou' types are not very useful. I, too, am against abortion, but I WILL NOT let a single issue cloud my judgment or support of a particular candidate. Roe v Wade will NOT be overturned in our lifetime and, probably not during our children's lifetimes. Do you REALLY think Democrat control of the Senate would be in the best long-term interests of the Country?


49 posted on 03/29/2005 7:14:10 AM PST by fuquadukie (If you can't hang with the big dogs, then don't jump off the porch.)
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To: PhiKapMom

The one and only one area in which there is no room for compromise is in the pro-life area. Compromises need to be made, but not at the expense of innocent life. Ricky sold out the pro-life movement, and that is inexcusible.


50 posted on 03/29/2005 7:15:04 AM PST by Conservative Goddess (Veritas vos Liberabit, in Vino, Veritas....QED, Vino vos Liberabit)
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