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Sex and the Unmarried Christian
Beliefnet.com ^ | 4/28/05 | Holly Lebowitz Rossi

Posted on 04/28/2005 12:03:24 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat

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To: Modernman
Who says that is what happens when people engage in pre-marital sex?

If it's really "pre-marital," that is, they go on to marry each other, it doesn't.

But if that's not what happens, then there's self-evidently sex, but not commitment.

101 posted on 04/28/2005 2:30:29 PM PDT by Campion (Truth is not determined by a majority vote -- Pope Benedict XVI)
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To: durasell

It sure seems that way.

Maybe fretting about other married Christians' sex lives gratifies them somehow. But there are so many better things by which to be gratified! :-)


102 posted on 04/28/2005 2:31:33 PM PDT by k2blader (Immorality bites.)
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To: halieus
Matt 7:17 Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

It's not my religion, but it strikes that a good tree can bear bad fruit in a year that there is too little rain, only to rebound and bear good fruit, if there is the proper rain the next year.

103 posted on 04/28/2005 2:32:06 PM PDT by Celtjew Libertarian (Shake Hands with the Serpent: Poetry by Charles Lipsig aka Celtjew http://books.lulu.com/lipsig)
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To: bourbon

The difference is that a miscarriage happens in the event that something undesirable is going on in the pregnancy.

Nocturnal emissions involve lusting just the same as masturbation.

Another question, if masturbation is so wrong why does it help maintain prostate health? Masturbation lowers the risk of prostate cancer. It would seem God would be in favor of us taking care of our bodies.


104 posted on 04/28/2005 2:32:59 PM PDT by Mr. Blonde (You know, Happy Time Harry, just being around you kinda makes me want to die.)
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To: halieus

NO you won't! Because you don't know what TRULY is in a man's heart only GOD's Knows....

IS GOD going to send an Alcoholic to hell if he still gets drunk? NO Is GOD going to send a man or woman to hell if they have sex before marraige NO...GOD judges unrepentful people.

People will fall even when saved there are no perfect people NONE...GOD knows ones heart not you my friend...


105 posted on 04/28/2005 2:34:07 PM PDT by missyme (Don't let the door hit ya in the ?)
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To: halieus
I've come across people who claim to be Christians but appear to have rotting or apparently nonexistent fruit. I'd be lying if I said it didn't make me wonder..
106 posted on 04/28/2005 2:36:03 PM PDT by k2blader (Immorality bites.)
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To: missyme; RosieCotton
#65..missyme, you enjoy making generalities, don't you...
107 posted on 04/28/2005 2:37:21 PM PDT by Guenevere (Sola Gratia)
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To: halieus; missyme
Jesus: Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

missyme: NO you won't!

Halieus, which one should I believe?

108 posted on 04/28/2005 2:38:30 PM PDT by Rytwyng (Men should only occupy themselves with hunting and war - Genghis Khan, 1162-1227)
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To: Celtjew Libertarian; tx_eggman; Recovering_Democrat

"Onan's act almost prevented the line from which the Messiah will come (or has come, if you are Christian). That was the crime worthy of the severe penalty."

Onan didn't know about that, and so his crime was no better or worse than any other person who either (A)Practiced onanism or (B)Failed to perform his levirate duty. If all he were guilty of were (B), then he only merited the quite mild punishment presribed in Deut. 25.

Historically, Christians have always identified his crime as onanism -- until the 20th Century Protestant contraceptors came along and re-interpreted the passage to make it comatible with the recently invented Protestant doctrine endorsing contraception.


109 posted on 04/28/2005 2:43:40 PM PDT by SausageDog
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To: k2blader

Read Delillo's Underworld. There's a pretty good summary of post-modern sex, etc. buried in there.


110 posted on 04/28/2005 2:45:49 PM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: Mr. Blonde
Another question, if masturbation is so wrong why does it help maintain prostate health? Masturbation lowers the risk of prostate cancer. It would seem God would be in favor of us taking care of our bodies.


LOL...I can see it now..."But mom--this is for medicinal purposes!"

111 posted on 04/28/2005 2:47:12 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (I'm so glad to no longer be associated with the Party of Dependence on Government!)
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To: joesbucks

"Paul tells the chruch (the faithful) in Cornith if you are any of the listed, you will inherit the Kingdom of God (heaven bound). Now with our modern understanding of grace, how could that be. Why would Paul admonish those that they are risking heavenly eternity if they had nothing to worry about."

Good point. If they are all believers they would all get in, no matter what they did. According to many modern christian interpretations. Paul would have to be lying, telling them they were risking heavenly eternity.


112 posted on 04/28/2005 2:48:02 PM PDT by ran15
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To: Rytwyng

Who cares what you believe????It's what GOD Knows and my walk with him...I am a Christian and I am a Sinner and I don't always do my best but I don't go around judging people who are good treat people well and have a decent heart just because they are sleeping with someone responsibly they care about and are not married...

Oh well...


113 posted on 04/28/2005 2:48:27 PM PDT by missyme (Don't let the door hit ya in the ?)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

I think this is an excellent article by a very level headed author. Her words should have value for young Christian people.


114 posted on 04/28/2005 2:48:34 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Mr. Blonde
Masturbation lowers the risk of prostate cancer. It would seem God would be in favor of us taking care of our bodies.

I see.

Excuse my dubiety, but I'm hard pressed to see how publications like Men's Health have more to say about God's moral law than the Bible or Christian tradition.

115 posted on 04/28/2005 2:49:24 PM PDT by bourbon (quasi morientes et ecce vivimus!)
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To: halieus

ping to post 113.... it doesn't deserve the dignity of a response, but it's very revealing.


116 posted on 04/28/2005 2:51:25 PM PDT by Rytwyng (Men should only occupy themselves with hunting and war - Genghis Khan, 1162-1227)
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To: Guenevere

Preaching to the Chior..Guess I am not a worthy enough Christian as many are here....

Wonder why Jesus din't preach to all the Holier than Thou Folks they were to PERFECT....


117 posted on 04/28/2005 2:52:07 PM PDT by missyme (Don't let the door hit ya in the ?)
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To: SausageDog

Exactly. You might be interested in the link in Post #20, btw.


118 posted on 04/28/2005 2:52:38 PM PDT by bourbon (quasi morientes et ecce vivimus!)
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To: Mr. Blonde
Another question, if masturbation is so wrong why does it help maintain prostate health? Masturbation lowers the risk of prostate cancer.

And your support for this position is? I've done a fair bit of research into this question and have never seen a study that supported it so I am very interested.

119 posted on 04/28/2005 2:53:09 PM PDT by Asfarastheeastisfromthewest...
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To: missyme
And most people that have a Holier than Thou Attitude are usually the worst sinners and or hypocrites...

What's holier than thou about saying "I have made a personal commitment to remaining abstinent until I get married"? I have a number of friends who treat me like the oddball because I'm not out there sleeping around. I don't want to get an STD, I don't want to get pregnant, and I don't want the emotional baggage. It's a logical choice for me.

And if I date some guy who wants me to sleep with him with no commitment on his part, I'm better off without him anyway.

120 posted on 04/28/2005 2:53:56 PM PDT by JenB (Brain the size of a planet, and they have me opening doors...)
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