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THE SCHIAVO MATTER
Neal Boortz ^ | June 16, 2005 | Neal Boortz

Posted on 06/18/2005 1:02:30 AM PDT by Former Military Chick

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To: eeriegeno
Neil is basing his judgment on an autopsy which was performed by a coroner who refused to allow an observing doctor to be present.

The coroner should be dismissed as a hack because he did not turn the procedure into a three ring circus? I am sure he knew his work would be reviewed like no other, and he did the most professional investigation possible, simply for no other reason but to protect his reputation. So now he is a hack?

41 posted on 06/18/2005 5:17:13 AM PDT by Mark was here (My tag line was about to be censored.)
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To: prion
" A feeding tube isn't life support."

No, they are completely natual, everyone is born with one. Sheesh! Of course it's a life support device! The atopsy report also shows that she was not able to swallow, produce saliva etc. The evidence of lower level phnemonia shows that someone tried to stick food in her mouth at one time, and she asperated it. Probably that Aide that claimed she fed her oraly.

Her body was kept alive artificialy, via a feeding tube and prepared nutritional slurry. Her corpse died as she would have NATURALY. It is the mind which makes you you, it's your humanity, your very being. the body is merely a collection of organs which serves it.

42 posted on 06/18/2005 5:19:05 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Former Military Chick
No abuse? No report needed.

We all witnessed his emotional, psychological and spiritual abuse.

Was placed in a hospice to die. No speech or physical therapy allowed after getting the funds to do just that. Speech therapy would have exposed MS and he knew it.

No open windows, no stimulation, family visitors not allowed only by permission from MS. Just to speed up his wish - "When is the bitch going to die".

No communion, cremated (MS's wish/not Terri's), parents/family not allowed w/her on her last minutes, don't know where she is buried. Controlling people abuse.

Terri had enough of his abuse - she was planning on leaving him according to her best friend and brother.
43 posted on 06/18/2005 5:19:23 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: txrangerette
"There are pictures of Terri with Michael after she supposedly "died". She actually went places, did stuff, interacted with Michael and the nurses."

Again, that is baseless rumor. She did no such thing. The Coroners investgation is specific. But what the heck, by all means produce the evidence. The coroner says the case is never closed, sent it to him as well. Until you can produce legitamate evidence to back your statement, it is simply consiracy rumor which has plagued this story throughout.

44 posted on 06/18/2005 5:26:25 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: StAnDeliver
The situation of the girl in your article is in no way comparable to Terri Schiavo's situation. Having the left or right side of one's brain removed is completely different from having 1/2 the mass of both sides of the brain disappear. The girl in your article had a complete half of a brain. Neither of the halves of Terri's brain were complete. She had no cerebral cortex.
45 posted on 06/18/2005 5:27:46 AM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: presently no screen name
"No speech or physical therapy allowed after getting the funds to do just that"

First, you can't abuse a dead person.

And if you care to read the coroners report, you will find that she did indeed have plenty of therapy.

46 posted on 06/18/2005 5:28:09 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: GLDNGUN

That autopsy report should have started with "Once upon a time"


47 posted on 06/18/2005 5:30:31 AM PDT by jwin
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To: presently no screen name
" No open windows, no stimulation, family visitors not allowed only by permission from MS"

That's not true either, in fact the coronerws report tells of an instance where a nurse found a syringe after her parents had visited, and they took terri to be examined because they suspected they HERPARENTS injected her with something.

All you are doing is repeating unsubstantiated rumore, which the coroners report to time to adress. your really should read it.

48 posted on 06/18/2005 5:32:01 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: pageonetoo

Like I said. The autopsy proved nothing of the kind of what you claimed it proved. You claimed it, not me.

A court decision proved nothing either except that the judiciary rules in this country, which is wrong.

Why should I discuss my belief in God and the afterlife with you? After you insulted my intelligence and everyone's intelligence, who believes she should not have been court-ordered dehydrated to death, by claiming the autopsy proved the correctness of the outcome and that a court validated the whole thing? What happens to her in the afterlife, compared to what happened to her here, is not for us or a Judge or Michael Schiavo to judge, by decreeing her death by dehydration.

My uncle shot himself in the head because he said he wanted to get out of this life and go on to the afterlife, where all would be so much better. I know he was not in his right mind at the moment he did that, but I believe what he did was wrong. He was not terminally ill, btw. Nor bedridden, although his wife was sickly and his daughter a pain in the rear. At least he did it, it was not done to him.

Not so, Terri Schiavo. A court claiming that she wanted it, notwithstanding. She lived 15 years despite everything. At the end, they had to pull out every stop to kill her. Doctor said her body was more dehydrated than any he had ever seen, before she finally died.

Her will to live was absolutely staggering. It had to be.


49 posted on 06/18/2005 5:32:23 AM PDT by txrangerette
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To: Mrs Mark

Just like judge greer and the attorney felos....

They did the most professional job to protect their reputation.


50 posted on 06/18/2005 5:32:32 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: JSteff

I've said it before,i'll say it again. Somewhere,somehow,theres a few bucks in this for mikey. Book,Movie whatever. Otherwise,we're down to believing he had strong convictions regarding Life & Death and his actions have certainly put the lie to that.


51 posted on 06/18/2005 5:32:57 AM PDT by wiggen
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To: iopscusa

"Once again proving that Libertarians and the Left have a lot of commonality, they are both in love with themselves."

Oh, you mean like you DemoPublicans? Compassionate Conservative, what a farce. Socialists, every one.


52 posted on 06/18/2005 5:34:02 AM PDT by Shadow Deamon
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To: EternalVigilance
If Neil treated his dog the way they treated Terri Schiavo, he'd do some hard time

Yep...at least we care enough about our animals to put them asleep rather than just withdraw nutrition and hydration. Too bad the sickos don't allow compassion for humans.

53 posted on 06/18/2005 5:36:14 AM PDT by Gondring (The can have my Bill of Rights when they pry it from my cold dead hands.)
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To: presently no screen name
" Terri had enough of his abuse - she was planning on leaving him according to her best friend and brother."

Again, no evidence of any of that. It's all rumor. There was never any evidence or testamony of abuse prior to her death in 1990. In fact her brother bobby was present at the time they found her lying on the floor. it's in the coroners investigation report as well. If any of these people you mention said that, they sure didn't say it in court. Why? Because that would be purjury. Micheal was her legal guardian and husband. it was his right to cremate her and do whatever he wanted. Biblicaly, He was also within his right to take another woman to procreate with. make up your mind whether you want to follow biblical law (only when it suits you) or secular law,(of which there is no law he broke either).

54 posted on 06/18/2005 5:39:11 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary

It is no such thing. Yours is the baseless rumor. There are pictures of her and Michael together. I have seen them. There are witnesses to what her condition was back then, compared to what it later became with atrophy, or God knows what else. I cannot post these pictures, and don't currently have access to them. But they exist, as do the numerous witnesses. They have been posted on Terri threads numerous times. I am more sure that they exist, and that they show a Terri who is damaged but anything but brain dead, than I am sure you exist as the person you represent yourself to be on here. But what the hay, you don't care a fig if they do. They don't fit with your total absurdity that she "died" the night of her collapse. You know, even Michael Schiavo the monster didn't say her brain was dead. You are too ridiculous for words. So I waste no more of them on YOU!


55 posted on 06/18/2005 5:41:34 AM PDT by txrangerette
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To: prion
A feeding tube isn't life support.
Oh, yes, it is an extraordinary means of life support.

Stephen Hawking has a feeding tube. I daresay 70% of the people polled wouldn't want to live like Stephen Hawking, either, but he seems to disagree.
Oh, please. Stephen Hawking's situation is not the same. He is plainly aware, functioning, and completely operational mentally.

Whether Terri Schiavo was capable of any degree of thought or emotion, we don't know. Medical science certainly doesn't, know matter how much it frowns and jams its hands in its pockets and tries to look serious. When you don't know, you don't kill people.
I agree with you. Once she was revived, she should have been allowed to live. I couldn't "pull the plug" on her any more than I could undergo an abortion.

56 posted on 06/18/2005 5:43:28 AM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: Shadow Deamon
"Oh, you mean like you DemoPublicans? Compassionate Conservative, what a farce. Socialists, every one." LoL! You hit the nail right on the head. facts are irrelevant to them. Blinded by emotion. But in reality, you can't kill someone who is already dead. The body is just the vessel for the mind, which is your humanity, personality conciousness, being. that even the churches definition of what makes you human and alive. The body just houses the organs which serves the needs of the mind. Tterri's brain died in 1990 after being without oxegen for almost 2 hours. Why they revived her body we'll never know, but they don't usually do that after so much time. For some reason, people just can't understand that the cerebral cortex is the processing centre for all brain activity. Her's was totaly destroyed, as well as sever damage everywhere else. She was dead.
57 posted on 06/18/2005 5:48:44 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: eeriegeno

Dr. Hammesfar (sp) did say her vision was compromised in his report. So her vision problem is old news.

I have a friend who is legally blind and she works as a cashier!! This is no joke - but she has always been amazing.

Judge Greer is blind - he has others read his reports.

However, I agree that the coroner should have allowed and WELCOMED - and, in this case, DEMANDED another doctor to be present. Secrecy is suspect, IMHO. Getting all the facts out was not the agenda.


58 posted on 06/18/2005 5:51:29 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: txrangerette
"There are pictures of her and Michael together. I have seen them"

Then produce them. So, I guess all the hospital staff, 248 ex-ray and lab technicians, all the people who have treated her since feb 25 1990 are all lying for some big cover-up conspiracy are they? LoL! what a laugh. As I said, send them to the coroner. Until they are admitted as evidence and proven, they are rumor. Since you claim you saw them, post them!!

59 posted on 06/18/2005 5:55:01 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: presently no screen name

The vision centre of her brain was severly damaged, "globaly absent of neurons" is the term used. I have a web cam, it won't won't work unless I plug it in. Her eyes and retinal nerves weren't "plugged in".


60 posted on 06/18/2005 5:59:03 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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