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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 10
Various News Outlets | 7/28/05

Posted on 07/28/2005 6:57:17 AM PDT by TexKat

Previous Natalee Holloway Threads

Firefighters drain a lake, Tuesday, July 26, 2005, in Oranjestad, Aruba searching for Alabama teenager, Natalee Holloway, who vanished nearly two months ago while vacationing in the island. Edwin Comemencia, a police spokesman, confirmed that the draining of the lake across from the Marriott Hotel was part of the investigation into Holloway's disappearance but would not comment further. The draining was expected to take up to 24 hours. (AP Photo/Pedro Famous Diaz)


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; Heated Discussion; News/Current Events; US: Alabama
KEYWORDS: aruba; beth; carloscharlies; deepak; disappear; joran; kalpoes; kidnapped; mansur; natalee; nataleeholloway; satish; twitty
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1 posted on 07/28/2005 6:57:18 AM PDT by TexKat
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To: TexKat
Tick..tock..bump!
2 posted on 07/28/2005 6:59:39 AM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: Andy'smom; antceecee; sarasota; cyborg; kcvl; maggief; Fritzy; truthluva; ...

Aruban policemen provide security to the pond across from the Marriot Hotel while it's being drained in Oranjestad, Aruba, Wednesday, July 27, 2005. Investigators trying to determine what happened to Natalee Holloway focused Wednesday on the pond near where the U.S. teen was last seen nearly two months ago while awaiting the results of DNA analysis from labs in the Netherlands and the United States. (AP Photo/Pedro Famous Diaz)

Pond drained in Aruba missing teen case

By MARGARET WEVER Associated Press Writer

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) -- Investigators trying to determine what happened to Natalee Holloway focused their search efforts Wednesday on a pond near where the U.S. teen was last seen nearly two months ago.

Authorities used a large pump to drain the pond across from the Marriott Hotel while investigators await the results of DNA analysis from labs in the Netherlands and the United States.

Authorities declined to discuss the exact purpose of draining the pond, but confirmed it was part of the investigation into Holloway's disappearance on May 30 - the final night of a high school graduation trip to the Dutch Caribbean island. The job was expected to be finished later Wednesday.

Crews had hoped to finish late Wednesday but it was taking longer than expected to drain the pond. By early Thursday, authorities should have a clearer view of the bottom so they can pinpoint areas to search, said Gabriel Kelly, a spokesman for the fire department, which was coordinating the effort.

Holloway's stepfather, George Twitty, who was at a nearby hotel waiting for results of the search, said police asked the family not to watch as they worked behind a fence to clear the water.

"It's the first time the fire department, the police and other authorities have collaborated on such a huge search," the stepfather said Wednesday. "So they must know something. ... There's so much commotion, they must have a lead."

Holloway's mother, Beth Holloway Twitty, also said she was hopeful.

"I'm very encouraged about moving forward, and hopefully finding some answers that we've been waiting for, for a long time, and everyone has been," she said on ABC's "Good Morning America."

The activity came a day after Holloway's stepfather said two new witnesses had come forward with information about the night the 18-year-old from Mountain Brook, Ala., disappeared.

One witness told investigators that he saw Joran van der Sloot, the 17-year-old Dutch youth who has been detained as the main suspect, driving to a tennis club across the road from the Marriott around 2:30 a.m. the night Holloway disappeared, Twitty said.

The witness said van der Sloot tried to hide his face with his hands as he drove to the Racquet Club with two Surinamese brothers, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, Twitty said. The Kalpoe brothers were detained as suspects and later released.

The stepfather said the account is significant because it places the three individuals near the hotel beach where van der Sloot says he left Holloway alone the last night she was seen in public.

"What's interesting is the time - 2:30 a.m. - when the three were supposedly on their way home," said Twitty, referring to their previous accounts to investigators.

The witness, a gardener whose name was not disclosed, gave his account to investigators Friday, Twitty said.

The Kalpoe brothers first told police that they and van der Sloot dropped Holloway at her hotel around 2 a.m. the morning of May 30. Later, they said they had lied to protect their friend and that they had dropped the Dutch youth and Holloway at a beach near the hotel.

A second new witness told a private investigator hired by Holloway's family that she saw van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers drive into the Racquet Club three times that same night. The woman, who lives nearby, has not yet spoken with investigators, he said.

Aruban authorities did not comment on the stepfather's statements.

An attorney for van der Sloot, Richie Kock, said authorities had not told him about the new witnesses. Lawyers for the Kalpoe brothers were not immediately available for comment.

Aruban authorities said this week that they have dispatched a prosecutor to consult with the FBI and brought in experts from the Netherlands as they investigate the disappearance.

Aruban investigators sent hair found attached to duct tape discovered along the shore of the island to the FBI crime lab in Quantico, Va., and to the Netherlands for DNA analysis.

The family on Monday increased the reward for information leading to the young woman's safe return to $1 million, from $200,000.

No one has been charged in the case, and van der Sloot is the only suspect still detained.

Holloway vanished after an evening of eating, drinking and dancing at a nightclub which she left with the three young men, hours before she was to catch a flight home at the end of a graduation trip with 124 classmates.

3 posted on 07/28/2005 7:02:06 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat

I've heard from two different sources that the three could be charged with kidnapping according to Aruban law. What's up?


4 posted on 07/28/2005 7:06:55 AM PDT by sarasota
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AP VIDEO - Authorities Drain Pond in Search for Holloway
5 posted on 07/28/2005 7:08:45 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat

TK, continued thx for your excellent work!


6 posted on 07/28/2005 7:09:45 AM PDT by Dark Skies ("The sleeper must awaken!")
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To: sarasota

They should definitely be charged with kidnapping, according to Aruban law. There is some question as to why they have not been. And it seems the old police chief just didn't want to do that to his best friend's son.

Aruban law for kidnapping: If 2 people leave some place together, and one of them goes missing, the other is responsible for the disappearance.


7 posted on 07/28/2005 7:12:28 AM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: TexKat

Image: Location of pond on Aruba

On the Record: Tito Lacle Confirmed Toothbrush Report (VIDEO)

http://thepoliticalteen.net/2005/07/27/2041/

8 posted on 07/28/2005 7:14:52 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat
Thank you Kat, for your remarkable perserverance posting this case.

I am anxiously awaiting the results of the pond search today, so I can hang it up! LOL.

sw

9 posted on 07/28/2005 7:15:24 AM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: Dark Skies

Thank you Dark Skies.


10 posted on 07/28/2005 7:15:43 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: texasbluebell
Allof a sudden, I was all by myself on that other thread! LOL!

Beth said on Greta's show that N never went back to the room that last night. She seems to be very certain of that. Not sure why though.

Yeah, it seemed pretty cemented in my mind that she didn't go back to her room. That is probably why—Beth said it.

11 posted on 07/28/2005 7:16:17 AM PDT by theophilusscribe
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To: TexKat
Thanks TexKat. I was so far behind reading the other thread. I don't know how you manage to do it, but you do a great job of keeping us straight. ====
12 posted on 07/28/2005 7:16:57 AM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: TexKat

Thanks for the new thread! YOU DA BOMB!


13 posted on 07/28/2005 7:17:08 AM PDT by theophilusscribe
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To: spectre

But will you have the strength to "hang it up"? ;o)


14 posted on 07/28/2005 7:17:10 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: spectre
I am anxiously awaiting the results of the pond search today

Hopefully the Twittys, Holloways, and all of us find out the results of this pond soon.

15 posted on 07/28/2005 7:18:01 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: theophilusscribe

Was her toothbrush still sitting out? How did LE get the toothbrush and subsequent DNA?


16 posted on 07/28/2005 7:18:25 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: truthluva; theophilusscribe


17 posted on 07/28/2005 7:19:47 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat

Thanks for the new thread... and your incredible patience in following this.. :)


18 posted on 07/28/2005 7:21:35 AM PDT by pamlet
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To: theophilusscribe

Talking to yourself, were you?!


19 posted on 07/28/2005 7:22:56 AM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: sarasota
"But will you have the strength to "hang it up"? ;o)"

No problem.

Does anyone know of a 12 step program for cybersleth addiction???

sw

20 posted on 07/28/2005 7:25:32 AM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: pamlet

What's the big deal over this? There are many cases of kidnapping, murders, missing, and yet this one gets international news. For a while every news station only had stuff about this case. It's just one person. Oh, well. Geuss it was a slow news day when it started.


21 posted on 07/28/2005 7:25:51 AM PDT by onja ("The government of England is a limited mockery." (France is a complete mockery.)
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To: TexKat

Yes, TK, it's much appreciated that you keep this going, while we wait to see justice brought forth for Natalee.


22 posted on 07/28/2005 7:25:57 AM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: Andy'smom; antceecee; sarasota; cyborg; kcvl; maggief; Fritzy; truthluva; ...
Joran to court - Amigoe.com

ARUBA – This morning was the hearing of the lawsuit that the lawyers of Joran van der Sloot and of the brothers Kalpoe had instituted against the Public Prosecutor. The three suspects do not agree with the fact that the FBI looks into the file.

District Attorney Amelin Flanegin is at this moment in Virginia (USA) at the headquarters of the FBI. The FBI is watching the video-recordings of the interrogations of the suspects. Examining-magistrate Rick Smid has to decide today whether this is legal or not. Lawyer David Kock told the Amigoe earlier that involving the FBI is against the law and makes the investigation uncontrollable for the judge as well as for the defense.

23 posted on 07/28/2005 7:26:09 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: spectre

Spell check is my friend..."cybersleuth"..ugghh.


24 posted on 07/28/2005 7:27:23 AM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: TexKat
Thanks so much TexKat. I can't believe we're at #10!
25 posted on 07/28/2005 7:27:52 AM PDT by Andy'smom
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To: TexKat

mark


26 posted on 07/28/2005 7:27:59 AM PDT by varina davis
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Witness reports in Holloway-case - Amigoe.com

ARUBA – In the night of Tuesday to Wednesday, the investigation team in the case of the disappeared American teenager Natalee Holloway had started with the drainage of a pond near the Marriott Hotel. That happened after a declaration of a witness that reported to the police.

In order to keep the public away, employees of the DOW (public works) have cordoned off the area around the pond near the Racquet Club in the vicinity of Salia Cerca and security officials are guarding the area. According to the Public Prosecutor (OM), the pond is drained in 24 hours.

Satish lawyer, David Koch does not expect his client to be arrested again. It is very much possible according to him, that the witness was mistaken about the date or perhaps had seen other people. “We have evidence, telephone- and chatting traffic that proof that they could have never been there at that point in time.”

27 posted on 07/28/2005 7:30:24 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: spectre

I don't say much here but I am also awaiting the results of the pond search.


28 posted on 07/28/2005 7:30:29 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: TexKat
The three suspects do not agree with the fact that the FBI looks into the file.

Why? Are they afraid of having some competent people looking at this for a change?

29 posted on 07/28/2005 7:31:10 AM PDT by CheneyChick
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To: TexKat
Thanks TexKat,

Did I miss anything while I was in the shower?
30 posted on 07/28/2005 7:32:23 AM PDT by maggief (No 'luffs')
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To: Ditter
Good to see you, Ditter. I KNEW you were lurking :)

sw

31 posted on 07/28/2005 7:33:16 AM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: varina davis

Bump.


32 posted on 07/28/2005 7:33:18 AM PDT by MAWG (Diversity is where everyone looks different but thinks the same way.)
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I synthesize what I read and hear. No one link that I know of can provide that, even if I had one.

But here is some of it: There are security cameras at the hotel. The layout of the hotel is such that Natalee would have shown up on the cameras if she had returned to her room.

The timeline of events is such that even the fact of her disappearance is a difficult scenario - not impossible, just difficult - in other words, to fit in some type of incident that resulted in her death or kidnapping or burial or whatever happened, is a tight fit, timewise. From the time she left C&C to when we have Joran and the Kalpoes acknowledged to be somewhere doing something, without Natalee.

So where is the time available for her to have returned to her room and then done something after that, leading to her disappearance??

Not a thing seemed to have been disturbed in her room, absolutely nothing. It looked like it was a frozen scene, everything neatly arranged and packed up, just waiting for her to return and leave Aruba with her group.

Natalee's mom, whom you seem to trust, has said in every interview where she was asked, that she is absolutely positive, without even a trace or shadow of doubt, that Natalee never returned to her room. And she is going on the evidence that the investigation has, plus her own observations upon arrival there, plus her own instincts.

2,061 posted on 07/28/2005 10:12:41 AM EDT by txrangerette

Thank you very much! Excellent synopsis! I posted it over here for the benefit of everyone. Thanks again!

33 posted on 07/28/2005 7:35:01 AM PDT by theophilusscribe
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To: txrangerette

Woops! Pinging you to post #33.


34 posted on 07/28/2005 7:36:05 AM PDT by theophilusscribe
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To: TexKat

bttt


35 posted on 07/28/2005 7:36:25 AM PDT by Deguello
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Fight between RTS and Justice reaches NRC - Amigo.com

ARUBA -- NRC Handelsblad published an article last week with headlines ‘The criminal sides of a beautiful pearl’. According to the article, the fight between the RST and the local authorities endangers the tackling of the organized criminality.

“Aruba does everything possible to look like a decent island. But appearances are deceiving. The island is a steppingstone for criminals, especially white-collars.” This is the start of a large article that appeared on page 2 of the Dutch quality newspaper NRC last week Friday. According to the article, Aruba is a steppingstone for large-scale drug dealings, money laundering practices, and financings of terrorist movements in South-America. According to the article, the collaboration between the RST and the local authorities is not optimum and the Chief District Attorney Karin Janssen wanted to bring in the RST immediately after the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. But the ministry of Justice had stopped that. The article is based on reporting of the Dutch ministry of Justice and the annual report of the RST. Also Chief Constable Gerold Dompig got a word in. According to the article, the tracing in Aruba is insufficiently equipped to face up to organized crime. Dompig indicated that the decrease of the percentage of solubility to 11.1 percent of all reporting is caused by the reorganization of the police and by too little capacity. About the Holloway case he also indicated that the perpetrator is there, but the problem is the furnishing of proof.

36 posted on 07/28/2005 7:36:34 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: onja
You know...people just pop in here and ask that same question from time to time and the fact that you ask it pretty much tells me the depth (or lack thereof) of your compassion not only for this family, but for any family going through something like this. Would you have us believe that you are supporting the other families with missing members who are not on TV? Please don't even try to go there. If that were true your nonchalant phraseology would have been omitted from your post.

If this TV coverage offends you in some way or if you don't care about the fact that this girl is missing and most likely is dead, I say to you (as the liberal Hollywood crowd loves to do) Don't Watch It. Censor yourself. You don't have to tune in...use that remote. That's what it's there for. And, lol, to come on a message board where most everyone posting is interested in the case and try to diminish the level of interest is a bit childish.

If you got lost and ended up on this thread just click on Forums and you can pick the topic that is truly of interest to you. Good luck finding something that you are able to contribute to.
37 posted on 07/28/2005 7:37:53 AM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: spectre

No I don't but I think a gradual withdrawal might be helpful. Say, first only lurking for "x" number of hours a day; then not clicking on the thread for a day, just to see what happens! (And let me know; I may try it too.)


38 posted on 07/28/2005 7:37:53 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: texasbluebell
Talking to yourself, were you?!

Sometimes it gets a little lonely . . . LOL!

39 posted on 07/28/2005 7:38:24 AM PDT by theophilusscribe
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To: onja

It is a daily dose of mystery and amateur sleuth-ism.


40 posted on 07/28/2005 7:39:08 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: sarasota

Maybe they collected it later? I would think that the hairbrush and toothbrush are the last things to be packed. She would need to "freshen up" before she got on the plane. No?


41 posted on 07/28/2005 7:39:52 AM PDT by theophilusscribe
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To: theophilusscribe

I thought that as well.


42 posted on 07/28/2005 7:43:21 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: onja
What's the big deal over this?

I personally find it more important than, say, Harry Potter or Carthage...(re: your other most recent and most numerous posts).

43 posted on 07/28/2005 7:44:39 AM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: sarasota
Yes, a gradual withdrawel. Either that, or deliberately p&ss people off so they'll drive me off the thread..LOL.

sw

44 posted on 07/28/2005 7:44:39 AM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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SM homepage (http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/):

Ruben Trappenburg on Dutch Radio
July 28th, 2005 by Scared Monkeys -->

This morning Ruben Trappenberg, spokesperson for the Aruban Government, was on Netherlands NewsRadio1. He doesn’t expect that Natalee will be found in this pond that police and fire brigade are draining. For these four reasons:

–  The Police have already searched the area

–  Texas Equusearch has already searched the area

–  The Dutch F-16 Jets  have already searched the area

–  Four to six weeks ago there wasn’t any pond there, as the majority of the water that is there came from the hurricane that passed over the island.

The statement that the pond is not a permanent pond, but more of a retention area after heavy rains is interesting. Islands typically have these, and the ground tends to be softer than the areas around it.

A special thanks to Gerben for this information.


45 posted on 07/28/2005 7:46:26 AM PDT by theophilusscribe
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To: TexKat
Satish lawyer, David Koch does not expect his client to be arrested again.

But what about Deepak? He seems the brother about which there is suspicion. I still wonder why there are two separate lawyers for the brothers. It may be common practice, but I have to wonder if it is because the family knows Deepak bears guilt and they don't want Satish to go down because of Deepak's actions. Just a thought.

46 posted on 07/28/2005 7:48:28 AM PDT by twigs
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To: TexKat

Fascinating article. They just want to get back to business as usual there, and can't, as long as this big spotlight is shining on little Aruba.


47 posted on 07/28/2005 7:48:48 AM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: truthluva

I just don't see why this one person is more important than some kid in Manhattan who vanishes. Do they have a big news story for everyone who vanishes? But really, why did this story get such coverage? And I liked watching news but for a while couldn't because there was only this story. And seeing as how you all are interseted in this case I'll leave quietly.


48 posted on 07/28/2005 7:49:12 AM PDT by onja ("The government of England is a limited mockery." (France is a complete mockery.)
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The Safe Side - Fox News Video

Missing persons expert John Walsh gives tips on keeping kids safe

49 posted on 07/28/2005 7:49:15 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: theophilusscribe

Methink Reuben doeth protest too much. (Deejay/Government Spokesman or is it Government Spokesman/Deejay??)


50 posted on 07/28/2005 7:49:48 AM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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