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Posted on 07/28/2005 6:57:17 AM PDT by TexKat
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Firefighters drain a lake, Tuesday, July 26, 2005, in Oranjestad, Aruba searching for Alabama teenager, Natalee Holloway, who vanished nearly two months ago while vacationing in the island. Edwin Comemencia, a police spokesman, confirmed that the draining of the lake across from the Marriott Hotel was part of the investigation into Holloway's disappearance but would not comment further. The draining was expected to take up to 24 hours. (AP Photo/Pedro Famous Diaz)
Aruban policemen provide security to the pond across from the Marriot Hotel while it's being drained in Oranjestad, Aruba, Wednesday, July 27, 2005. Investigators trying to determine what happened to Natalee Holloway focused Wednesday on the pond near where the U.S. teen was last seen nearly two months ago while awaiting the results of DNA analysis from labs in the Netherlands and the United States. (AP Photo/Pedro Famous Diaz)
By MARGARET WEVER Associated Press Writer
ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) -- Investigators trying to determine what happened to Natalee Holloway focused their search efforts Wednesday on a pond near where the U.S. teen was last seen nearly two months ago.
Authorities used a large pump to drain the pond across from the Marriott Hotel while investigators await the results of DNA analysis from labs in the Netherlands and the United States.
Authorities declined to discuss the exact purpose of draining the pond, but confirmed it was part of the investigation into Holloway's disappearance on May 30 - the final night of a high school graduation trip to the Dutch Caribbean island. The job was expected to be finished later Wednesday.
Crews had hoped to finish late Wednesday but it was taking longer than expected to drain the pond. By early Thursday, authorities should have a clearer view of the bottom so they can pinpoint areas to search, said Gabriel Kelly, a spokesman for the fire department, which was coordinating the effort.
Holloway's stepfather, George Twitty, who was at a nearby hotel waiting for results of the search, said police asked the family not to watch as they worked behind a fence to clear the water.
"It's the first time the fire department, the police and other authorities have collaborated on such a huge search," the stepfather said Wednesday. "So they must know something. ... There's so much commotion, they must have a lead."
Holloway's mother, Beth Holloway Twitty, also said she was hopeful.
"I'm very encouraged about moving forward, and hopefully finding some answers that we've been waiting for, for a long time, and everyone has been," she said on ABC's "Good Morning America."
The activity came a day after Holloway's stepfather said two new witnesses had come forward with information about the night the 18-year-old from Mountain Brook, Ala., disappeared.
One witness told investigators that he saw Joran van der Sloot, the 17-year-old Dutch youth who has been detained as the main suspect, driving to a tennis club across the road from the Marriott around 2:30 a.m. the night Holloway disappeared, Twitty said.
The witness said van der Sloot tried to hide his face with his hands as he drove to the Racquet Club with two Surinamese brothers, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, Twitty said. The Kalpoe brothers were detained as suspects and later released.
The stepfather said the account is significant because it places the three individuals near the hotel beach where van der Sloot says he left Holloway alone the last night she was seen in public.
"What's interesting is the time - 2:30 a.m. - when the three were supposedly on their way home," said Twitty, referring to their previous accounts to investigators.
The witness, a gardener whose name was not disclosed, gave his account to investigators Friday, Twitty said.
The Kalpoe brothers first told police that they and van der Sloot dropped Holloway at her hotel around 2 a.m. the morning of May 30. Later, they said they had lied to protect their friend and that they had dropped the Dutch youth and Holloway at a beach near the hotel.
A second new witness told a private investigator hired by Holloway's family that she saw van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers drive into the Racquet Club three times that same night. The woman, who lives nearby, has not yet spoken with investigators, he said.
Aruban authorities did not comment on the stepfather's statements.
An attorney for van der Sloot, Richie Kock, said authorities had not told him about the new witnesses. Lawyers for the Kalpoe brothers were not immediately available for comment.
Aruban authorities said this week that they have dispatched a prosecutor to consult with the FBI and brought in experts from the Netherlands as they investigate the disappearance.
Aruban investigators sent hair found attached to duct tape discovered along the shore of the island to the FBI crime lab in Quantico, Va., and to the Netherlands for DNA analysis.
The family on Monday increased the reward for information leading to the young woman's safe return to $1 million, from $200,000.
No one has been charged in the case, and van der Sloot is the only suspect still detained.
Holloway vanished after an evening of eating, drinking and dancing at a nightclub which she left with the three young men, hours before she was to catch a flight home at the end of a graduation trip with 124 classmates.
I've heard from two different sources that the three could be charged with kidnapping according to Aruban law. What's up?
TK, continued thx for your excellent work!
They should definitely be charged with kidnapping, according to Aruban law. There is some question as to why they have not been. And it seems the old police chief just didn't want to do that to his best friend's son.
Aruban law for kidnapping: If 2 people leave some place together, and one of them goes missing, the other is responsible for the disappearance.
Image: Location of pond on Aruba
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I am anxiously awaiting the results of the pond search today, so I can hang it up! LOL.
Thank you Dark Skies.
Beth said on Greta's show that N never went back to the room that last night. She seems to be very certain of that. Not sure why though.
Yeah, it seemed pretty cemented in my mind that she didn't go back to her room. That is probably whyBeth said it.
Thanks for the new thread! YOU DA BOMB!
But will you have the strength to "hang it up"? ;o)
Hopefully the Twittys, Holloways, and all of us find out the results of this pond soon.
Was her toothbrush still sitting out? How did LE get the toothbrush and subsequent DNA?
Thanks for the new thread... and your incredible patience in following this.. :)
Talking to yourself, were you?!
Does anyone know of a 12 step program for cybersleth addiction???
What's the big deal over this? There are many cases of kidnapping, murders, missing, and yet this one gets international news. For a while every news station only had stuff about this case. It's just one person. Oh, well. Geuss it was a slow news day when it started.
Yes, TK, it's much appreciated that you keep this going, while we wait to see justice brought forth for Natalee.
ARUBA This morning was the hearing of the lawsuit that the lawyers of Joran van der Sloot and of the brothers Kalpoe had instituted against the Public Prosecutor. The three suspects do not agree with the fact that the FBI looks into the file.
District Attorney Amelin Flanegin is at this moment in Virginia (USA) at the headquarters of the FBI. The FBI is watching the video-recordings of the interrogations of the suspects. Examining-magistrate Rick Smid has to decide today whether this is legal or not. Lawyer David Kock told the Amigoe earlier that involving the FBI is against the law and makes the investigation uncontrollable for the judge as well as for the defense.
Spell check is my friend..."cybersleuth"..ugghh.
ARUBA In the night of Tuesday to Wednesday, the investigation team in the case of the disappeared American teenager Natalee Holloway had started with the drainage of a pond near the Marriott Hotel. That happened after a declaration of a witness that reported to the police.
In order to keep the public away, employees of the DOW (public works) have cordoned off the area around the pond near the Racquet Club in the vicinity of Salia Cerca and security officials are guarding the area. According to the Public Prosecutor (OM), the pond is drained in 24 hours.
Satish lawyer, David Koch does not expect his client to be arrested again. It is very much possible according to him, that the witness was mistaken about the date or perhaps had seen other people. We have evidence, telephone- and chatting traffic that proof that they could have never been there at that point in time.
I don't say much here but I am also awaiting the results of the pond search.
Why? Are they afraid of having some competent people looking at this for a change?
But here is some of it: There are security cameras at the hotel. The layout of the hotel is such that Natalee would have shown up on the cameras if she had returned to her room.
The timeline of events is such that even the fact of her disappearance is a difficult scenario - not impossible, just difficult - in other words, to fit in some type of incident that resulted in her death or kidnapping or burial or whatever happened, is a tight fit, timewise. From the time she left C&C to when we have Joran and the Kalpoes acknowledged to be somewhere doing something, without Natalee.
So where is the time available for her to have returned to her room and then done something after that, leading to her disappearance??
Not a thing seemed to have been disturbed in her room, absolutely nothing. It looked like it was a frozen scene, everything neatly arranged and packed up, just waiting for her to return and leave Aruba with her group.
Natalee's mom, whom you seem to trust, has said in every interview where she was asked, that she is absolutely positive, without even a trace or shadow of doubt, that Natalee never returned to her room. And she is going on the evidence that the investigation has, plus her own observations upon arrival there, plus her own instincts.
2,061 posted on 07/28/2005 10:12:41 AM EDT by txrangerette
Thank you very much! Excellent synopsis! I posted it over here for the benefit of everyone. Thanks again!
Woops! Pinging you to post #33.
ARUBA -- NRC Handelsblad published an article last week with headlines The criminal sides of a beautiful pearl. According to the article, the fight between the RST and the local authorities endangers the tackling of the organized criminality.
Aruba does everything possible to look like a decent island. But appearances are deceiving. The island is a steppingstone for criminals, especially white-collars. This is the start of a large article that appeared on page 2 of the Dutch quality newspaper NRC last week Friday. According to the article, Aruba is a steppingstone for large-scale drug dealings, money laundering practices, and financings of terrorist movements in South-America. According to the article, the collaboration between the RST and the local authorities is not optimum and the Chief District Attorney Karin Janssen wanted to bring in the RST immediately after the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. But the ministry of Justice had stopped that. The article is based on reporting of the Dutch ministry of Justice and the annual report of the RST. Also Chief Constable Gerold Dompig got a word in. According to the article, the tracing in Aruba is insufficiently equipped to face up to organized crime. Dompig indicated that the decrease of the percentage of solubility to 11.1 percent of all reporting is caused by the reorganization of the police and by too little capacity. About the Holloway case he also indicated that the perpetrator is there, but the problem is the furnishing of proof.
No I don't but I think a gradual withdrawal might be helpful. Say, first only lurking for "x" number of hours a day; then not clicking on the thread for a day, just to see what happens! (And let me know; I may try it too.)
Sometimes it gets a little lonely . . . LOL!
It is a daily dose of mystery and amateur sleuth-ism.
Maybe they collected it later? I would think that the hairbrush and toothbrush are the last things to be packed. She would need to "freshen up" before she got on the plane. No?
I thought that as well.
I personally find it more important than, say, Harry Potter or Carthage...(re: your other most recent and most numerous posts).
SM homepage (http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/):
Ruben Trappenburg on Dutch Radio
July 28th, 2005 by Scared Monkeys -->
This morning Ruben Trappenberg, spokesperson for the Aruban Government, was on Netherlands NewsRadio1. He doesnt expect that Natalee will be found in this pond that police and fire brigade are draining. For these four reasons:
The Police have already searched the area
Texas Equusearch has already searched the area
The Dutch F-16 Jets have already searched the area
Four to six weeks ago there wasnt any pond there, as the majority of the water that is there came from the hurricane that passed over the island.
The statement that the pond is not a permanent pond, but more of a retention area after heavy rains is interesting. Islands typically have these, and the ground tends to be softer than the areas around it.
A special thanks to Gerben for this information.
But what about Deepak? He seems the brother about which there is suspicion. I still wonder why there are two separate lawyers for the brothers. It may be common practice, but I have to wonder if it is because the family knows Deepak bears guilt and they don't want Satish to go down because of Deepak's actions. Just a thought.
Fascinating article. They just want to get back to business as usual there, and can't, as long as this big spotlight is shining on little Aruba.
I just don't see why this one person is more important than some kid in Manhattan who vanishes. Do they have a big news story for everyone who vanishes? But really, why did this story get such coverage? And I liked watching news but for a while couldn't because there was only this story. And seeing as how you all are interseted in this case I'll leave quietly.
Missing persons expert John Walsh gives tips on keeping kids safe
Methink Reuben doeth protest too much. (Deejay/Government Spokesman or is it Government Spokesman/Deejay??)
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