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Firefox site hacked again
TechWorld ^ | 05 October 2005 | Robert McMillan

Posted on 10/05/2005 5:32:56 AM PDT by Golden Eagle

For the second time in three months, a security breach has shut down the marketing website used to promote the Firefox browser. Late Monday, members of the Spread Firefox community were notified that their Spread Firefox site had been hit by attackers looking to exploit a bug in the TWiki collaboration software, which had been running on the server.

The Mozilla Foundation does not believe that any sensitive information was compromised in the attack, but it is encouraging the approximately 100,000 Spread Firefox members to reset their passwords. "With these things it's hard to determine the exact nature of what happened," said Mike Schroepfer, director of engineering with the Foundation's Mozilla subsidiary.

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Somebody needs to catch these hackers, they keep blowing holes into the claim open source is more secure.
1 posted on 10/05/2005 5:32:57 AM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle
Well as long as you make a product someone wants, someone is going to try and screw with it.

Just ask Chevrolet about the corvair and we are still paying the crusader of that one.

2 posted on 10/05/2005 5:35:00 AM PDT by dts32041 ( Robin Hood, stealing from the government and giving back to tax payer. Where is he today?)
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To: for-q-clinton; Bush2000; softwarecreator; ShadowAce; N3WBI3; Incorrigible; Mr. K; general_re

Seems to be a pattern. Other recent vendor/advocate hackings.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1496008/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1446071/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1421954/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1488637/posts


3 posted on 10/05/2005 5:36:22 AM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: dts32041
Well as long as you make a product someone wants, someone is going to try and screw with it.

Agreed. But just because a few fanatics hate you, doesn't mean they can hack you. Microsoft is on 90% of the world's computers, but I don't think they've ever been defaced. Of course, some fanatic who hates them will now come accuse me of being their shill, simply for stating the obvious.

4 posted on 10/05/2005 5:42:12 AM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle

As Firefox attracts more of a following they are having more of their security flaws exposed. It lends credence to the argument that Microsoft's popularity is why is gets hacked more often, not because is is inherently more flawed (which is not to say that they don't have plenty of bugs/poorly designed features). Simply put however, the more features a product has, the more opportunity for flaws there is.

I agree with the other poster in regards to open source, the higher the level of transparency the easier it is to find and take advantage of any flaws which might exist.


5 posted on 10/05/2005 5:43:52 AM PDT by contemplator (Capitalism gets no Rock Concerts)
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To: Golden Eagle
(June 2, 2005): Microsoft acknowledged Thursday that hackers booby-trapped its popular MSN Web site in South Korea to try to steal passwords from visitors.
6 posted on 10/05/2005 5:49:56 AM PDT by whd23
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To: contemplator
I agree with your post totally, except the fact that Microsoft's website itself and their affiliates aren't being hacked like we are seeing the open source vendor and advocate sites being hacked. While the hackers are obviously to blame, and the website operators and software vendors ultimately victims, this is an interesting trend in light of the open source proponents claims their software and processes are more secure.
7 posted on 10/05/2005 5:53:34 AM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: whd23

Thanks! I retract any comments indicating this had never happened to MS sites. Apparently, Korea isn't a safe place to operate a website, as mozilla korea has been hacked multiple times as well.


8 posted on 10/05/2005 5:55:23 AM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle

I've contributed fixes to this software. It's a piece of spaghetti Perl crap. www.twiki.org.


9 posted on 10/05/2005 6:22:43 AM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1 (Lock-n-load!)
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To: contemplator
The incident mentioned in the article has nothing to do with Firefox being hacked. Apparently the wiki software they were running was buggy.
10 posted on 10/05/2005 6:55:31 AM PDT by zeugma (Warning: Self-referential object does not reference itself.)
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To: zeugma
The incident mentioned in the article has nothing to do with Firefox being hacked. Apparently the wiki software they were running was buggy.

Um, yes, it does have something to do with Firefox being hacked. Any networked computer is only as secure as the least secure component running on it. Clearly, the "more eyes creates better security" theory is blown to shreds for the vast number of open source projects.
11 posted on 10/05/2005 7:22:14 AM PDT by Bush2000 (Linux -- You Get What You Pay For ... (tm)
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To: Bush2000
Um, yes, it does have something to do with Firefox being hacked.

Can you show me anything in the article that anything about Firefox being hacked?

Clearly, the "more eyes creates better security" theory is blown to shreds for the vast number of open source projects.

Clearly, the "more eyes creates better security" theory is blown to shreds for the vast number of open source projects.

A pretty bold claim based on a perl-based wiki module being hacked. All software has bugs. The debugging process is an ongoing thing. Pretty good proof of the ongoing nature of this process is the fact that even without source code, we still see regular hacks of IE, which is, in todays terms pretty old and (allegedly) mature code. The open source model doesn't eliminate the possibility of defects, but it does make remediation quicker and more transparent for the most part. Some of us lappreciate that.

12 posted on 10/05/2005 7:55:28 AM PDT by zeugma (Warning: Self-referential object does not reference itself.)
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To: Bush2000; N3WBI3; MikeinIraq
Um, yes, it does have something to do with Firefox being hacked.

Um...no, it doesn't.

The article clearly states "...attackers looking to exploit a bug in the TWiki collaboration software..."

So the hack was on the Twiki software...not Firefox.

Clearly, the "more eyes creates better security" theory is blown to shreds for the vast number of open source projects.

Please. Much bigger holes were blown in the "closed source is more secure" argument with the sheer volume of viruses, trojans and worms spewed by Micro$lop's malware.

You guys have to go out of your way to find isolated instances of security breaches. Me, I get hundreds of copies of Microsoft's incompetence in the form of worm-based attacks in my web logs and e-mail viruses in my inbox on a weekly basis.

13 posted on 10/05/2005 9:01:36 AM PDT by Prime Choice (E=mc^3. Don't drink and derive.)
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I retract any comments indicating this had never happened to MS sites.

That's good. 'Cause I also remember when Microsoft was distributing Nimda-infected distro CDs and the microsoft.com site itself was slammed by Nimda in September, 2001.

Do a search on the subject and you'll find a lot of us had to spend an awful lot of time analyzing and cleaning up after Microsoft's mess just one week after 9/11. Thanks a lot, pal.

14 posted on 10/05/2005 9:04:43 AM PDT by Prime Choice (E=mc^3. Don't drink and derive.)
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To: Bush2000
Clearly, the "more eyes creates better security" theory is blown to shreds for the vast number of open source projects.

That's quite an unsupported leap to take from the information posted in the article. Specifically:

"After the July attack, the Mozilla Foundation changed procedures to be sure that security fixes were applied to the Spread Firefox server software, but administrators overlooked the TWiki application, which was no longer being used, Schroepfer said. "This one particular piece of software was an oversight and happened to not get updated," he said.

So the crack of the web site in question involved exploiting a known and fixed bug. The patch for which hadn't been applied since the web site wasn't using the software.

15 posted on 10/05/2005 9:25:16 AM PDT by whd23
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To: Golden Eagle
It's just like we said 6 months ago when all the anti-MS people started bragging about FF's market growth ... the more poular it becomes, the more the vulnerabilities will be exploited.

Just wait until Linux actually recieves a noticable marketshare ... the hackers will do the same thing to it.

16 posted on 10/05/2005 9:41:38 AM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires.)
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To: Golden Eagle
Of course, some fanatic who hates them will now come accuse me of being their shill, simply for stating the obvious

Don't worry about it, us MS drones have formed a club, we meet every Tuesday.  You bring the cookies this week.  =)

17 posted on 10/05/2005 9:43:19 AM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires.)
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To: Prime Choice
Microsoft was distributing Nimda-infected distro CDs and the microsoft.com site itself was slammed by Nimda in September, 2001

I remember that.  What a fun time that was.  We had just gotten a few dozen new PCs and had to go thru each one to kill off the viruses.

18 posted on 10/05/2005 9:46:46 AM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires.)
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To: zeugma
The incident mentioned in the article has nothing to do with Firefox being hacked.

I'm not following you, is this intended as a counterpoint to my statement? My response mentioned nothing about this site in particular and how it was hacked. I simply added a comment relevant to the article about the fact that more of Firefox's flaws are being discovered as it's following increases.
19 posted on 10/05/2005 9:51:08 AM PDT by contemplator (Capitalism gets no Rock Concerts)
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To: contemplator
No. Just more of a clarifying statement for others on the thread based on your comment. You mentioned defects being found in Firefox while the article made no mention of same.

I'm not really sure how much the increased marketshare of Firefox is affecting number of defects reported. They get louder press now due to visibility I suppose, but we've been finding stuff since the browser was first released. The code is still fairly new, but I'd say it's become pretty solid overall, at least by my usage. I've been using FF since it was a .2 release. (off and on - some of the early nightlies were horrid.) Relative to other offerings out there, it's not doing too badly as far as features, stability and defects are concerned IMO.

20 posted on 10/05/2005 10:03:39 AM PDT by zeugma (Warning: Self-referential object does not reference itself.)
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To: zeugma
"...we still see regular hacks of IE, which is, in todays terms pretty old and (allegedly) mature code.

To be fair it must also be mentioned that IE's functionality has grown exponentially as well over this same timeframe making the places for flaws to exists grow at the same time.

It is well known that for many years Microsoft played a game of 'keeping up with the Jones's' with both their browser adding functionality at a breakneck pace while modifying the underlying OS's at the same time. Security was not as big an issue for anyone during those early days. After achieving near market saturation, Microsoft has now slowed down the pace of change and focused much more attention on security issues.

To put it plainly, this is not exactly comparing apples to apples. A better analogy might be to compare security in a small brick building recently constructed in a high crime area with a single front door and a back door with bars on them to a multi-story apartment complex with windows and entrances and exits built for comfort and ease of use which was constructed during the days when it was safe to leave your front door unlocked while you went out for groceries.
21 posted on 10/05/2005 10:06:10 AM PDT by contemplator (Capitalism gets no Rock Concerts)
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To: zeugma
Can you show me anything in the article that anything about Firefox being hacked?

The Firefox site, n00b.

A pretty bold claim based on a perl-based wiki module being hacked.

The source code is open and widely available -- and yet it's loaded with vulnerabilities. So here's the deal. Projects that are higher profile (Linux kernel, Apache, etc) are more likely to have more eyes looking at them. Low-profile projects don't. And, if you're running a site, you damn well better be careful about what you're deploying. This wiki code is spaghetti.
22 posted on 10/05/2005 12:16:56 PM PDT by Bush2000 (Linux -- You Get What You Pay For ... (tm)
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To: Bush2000
As usual, you lack the ability to admit misstatements on your part.

You said:
Um, yes, it does have something to do with Firefox being hacked.

So I replied:
Can you show me anything in the article that anything about Firefox being hacked?

Then you, being unable to maintain civil conversation reply:
The Firefox site, n00b.

So, if you meant the site initially, why didn't you just say so instead of trying to make it seem that the referenced article had something to do with a vulnerability in Firefox?

As far as it being your comment about FF being "open and widely available -- and yet it's loaded with vulnerabilities"... at least, when we find vulnerabilities, they are fixed in a timely manner because the entire process is so open. With proprietary products like IE, even though we can't look at the code, we find as many, if not more defects and are then forced to wait until Microsoft feels like releasing a patch. Btw: they missed this month's patch release didn't they? They can't even stay on time with their patches for their shoddy products. Must be the backlog of critical defects snowing them under. It's amazing that even with billions of dollars at their disposal, they still can't outperform the Mozilla team in their timely release of fixes.

23 posted on 10/05/2005 12:49:02 PM PDT by zeugma (Warning: Self-referential object does not reference itself.)
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To: Prime Choice; softwarecreator

I remember that non-event.

http://www.newsfactor.com/perl/story/18242.html

The Redmond, Washington-based software giant on Friday acknowledged shipping the malicious code and blamed an unnamed third party that translated the Korean version of the software.

"It looks like the company doing the translation was infected and they passed it on to the product," McAfee.com virus research manager April Goostree told NewsFactor.

Visual Studio has no idea the extra file is there," Flores said. "There's no situation where Visual Studio developers will be able to infect themselves."


24 posted on 10/05/2005 1:50:16 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: zeugma

That's hysterical, coming from someone who doesn't even know the difference between a "workaround" and an actual "patch":

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1482107/posts


25 posted on 10/05/2005 1:55:34 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: zeugma
So, if you meant the site initially, why didn't you just say so instead of trying to make it seem that the referenced article had something to do with a vulnerability in Firefox?

Look at the title of this article, for chrissakes. It's about the Firefox site. I thought you had the minimal IQ necessary to understand the correlation. Apparently, I was wrong.

at least, when we find vulnerabilities, they are fixed in a timely manner because the entire process is so open. With proprietary products like IE, even though we can't look at the code, we find as many, if not more defects and are then forced to wait until Microsoft feels like releasing a patch.

And, in their haste to release patches, many open source projects release crappy patches. Witness recent Firefox patches. They were utter crap. Frankly, I'd rather wait for a fully-tested patch than depend upon wishful thinking. Because the fact of the matter is that there are practictally no zero-day exploits.
26 posted on 10/05/2005 1:57:07 PM PDT by Bush2000 (Linux -- You Get What You Pay For ... (tm)
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To: Prime Choice
So the hack was on the Twiki software...not Firefox.

This article is about the Firefox site. Buy, rent, borrow, or steal an IQ.
27 posted on 10/05/2005 1:58:46 PM PDT by Bush2000 (Linux -- You Get What You Pay For ... (tm)
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To: Bush2000
I'm just a bystander here. From what I can discern, you seem to imply that, since Firefox's SITE got hacked, Firefox has as many vulnerabilites as IE. But, from where I sit, that's like saying that a truckload of shiny new Merceds Benz cars are no good because the car carrier they are being transported on broke down.
Let me know if I am missing something......
28 posted on 10/05/2005 2:11:07 PM PDT by KeepUSfree (WOSD = fascism pure and simple.)
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To: KeepUSfree
Let me know if I am missing something......

Yes, a clue. This article is about the Firefox site. I would have thought my reference to Firefox would have been obvious to most people.
29 posted on 10/05/2005 3:31:30 PM PDT by Bush2000 (Linux -- You Get What You Pay For ... (tm)
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To: Golden Eagle
Screw off troll. I'm not going to split hairs with you.
30 posted on 10/05/2005 3:53:21 PM PDT by zeugma (Warning: Self-referential object does not reference itself.)
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To: Bush2000
This article is about the Firefox site.

So glad you noticed. Now if you'll just keep making that distinction when you're running around like an ignorant e-tard saying "Firefox got hacked," then we won't have these sorts of conversations, sport.

31 posted on 10/05/2005 3:59:35 PM PDT by Prime Choice (E=mc^3. Don't drink and derive.)
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To: zeugma
Screw off troll. I'm not going to split hairs with you.

You are a quick & accurate judge of character, zeugma.   ;o)

As another Freeper pointed out, Brass Buzzard is a strange denizen. He doesn't speak to any conservative issues and is always whoring for Redmond. Hell, about the closest he even gets to a political statement is his calling Linux supporters "communists" when they peg him on the facts.

32 posted on 10/05/2005 4:01:06 PM PDT by Prime Choice (E=mc^3. Don't drink and derive.)
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To: Golden Eagle
I remember that non-event.

Obviously you don't. It was far from a "non-event." And please...Microsoft's buck-passing on that issue was absurd. Anyone who's familiar with the Redmond totalitarians knows that their distributors don't even sneeze without Microsoft's approval in triplicate.

And Microsoft.com's getting spanked by Nimda was certainly not a "non-event" either. Thought you might like to know...

33 posted on 10/05/2005 4:06:40 PM PDT by Prime Choice (E=mc^3. Don't drink and derive.)
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To: zeugma
Screw off troll. I'm not going to split hairs with you.

Of course not. You lack the intellectual capacity to split hairs.
34 posted on 10/05/2005 4:26:24 PM PDT by Bush2000 (Linux -- You Get What You Pay For ... (tm)
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To: Prime Choice

Apparently, you drooling maroons need a roadmap to rational thought when people use terms such as "Google" or "Amazon" or "Yahoo" or "Firefox" ... You're either a moron or deliberately obtuse. Either way, it's sad, truly sad.


35 posted on 10/05/2005 4:31:47 PM PDT by Bush2000 (Linux -- You Get What You Pay For ... (tm)
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To: zeugma

LOL, you think the actual difference between a "workaround" and a "patch" is "splitting hairs"!

Freaking amazing. You probably thought it was a "patch" every time you downloaded a whole new install of Firefox too, ROFL.


36 posted on 10/05/2005 4:45:39 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: Prime Choice

Peg me on the facts? LMAO, you idiots don't even know the difference between a workaround and a patch! Now you'll go crying to maaaamaaa that I called you a name. Biggest bunch of idiots and crybabies I've ever seen!


37 posted on 10/05/2005 4:48:21 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle; N3WBI3; MikeinIraq
Peg me on the facts?

Yup. Pegged ya good, too. Like when you ignorantly claimed that all open source cryptographic systems had been cracked. (That was a doozy.) And when you claimed that Microsoft.com had never been hacked. (That was a great one.) And how you insisted that closed source was secure because nobody could see the source code. (That one was the most hilarious of all knee-slappers.)

But the one I'll always cherish was the latest hissy fit of yours that had to be removed from the discussion board because it was so utterly childish.

Yessir...that's how you've been pegged...again and again.

Mercy...that's gonna leave a mark.

38 posted on 10/05/2005 7:53:51 PM PDT by Prime Choice (E=mc^3. Don't drink and derive.)
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To: Bush2000
Oh please...now you're just being pathetic and petulant.

Let me know when you write something worth reading, sport.

39 posted on 10/05/2005 7:54:33 PM PDT by Prime Choice (E=mc^3. Don't drink and derive.)
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To: Bush2000
Piss off wanker. You and GE can't argue facts so you decend into name-calling, hair plitting and outright lies when it suits your fancy.

Perhaps people would take you more seriously if you could actually contribute something to a thread other than mindless cheerleading for microsoft.

40 posted on 10/05/2005 8:00:55 PM PDT by zeugma (Warning: Self-referential object does not reference itself.)
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To: Prime Choice
Like when you ignorantly claimed that all open source cryptographic systems had been cracked.

I never claimed all open source crypto systems had been cracked. I jokingly asked if most hadn't been, big difference. Leave it to you to twist it into a lie.

And when you claimed that Microsoft.com had never been hacked.

MSN Korea is not Microsoft.com. Is that what you're trying to claim? Probably, since it would another one of your lies.

And how you insisted that closed source was secure because nobody could see the source code.

Obscurity is a level of security, your brainwashing aside. Even Linus Torvalds is on record admitting this. Don't believe me, believe him.

my maaaamaa the moderators

ROFL!

41 posted on 10/05/2005 8:14:36 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: zeugma
Piss off wanker. You and GE can't argue facts so you decend into name-calling

Classic! You boys can't even get off a post without some sort of an insult, no wonder either since you don't even understand the terminology we're attempting to discuss.

42 posted on 10/05/2005 8:17:37 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: Prime Choice
PC,

I'm just going to be polite and ignore the tripe (well at least I will do my best to). Ignoring flame wars is a damn hard thing for me but last week when we ignored the trolls was great.

Just today I spent a good deal of time with discostu in a heated *technical* discussion. Who would have thought one could do that on FR without a scorched earth flame war ensuing.
43 posted on 10/05/2005 8:17:38 PM PDT by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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To: N3WBI3
Just today I spent a good deal of time with discostu in a heated *technical* discussion.

Hilarious! You mean the one where you got exposed as a fraud yet again? I think the other poster said quote "more LIES from you. Might as well end it since all you can do is lie and insult."

Seems I'm not the only one who can see right through your transparent and endless BS.

44 posted on 10/05/2005 8:22:50 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle
He and I parted amicabally, a heated discussion which ended with each of getting some enjoyment out of it..

Please have a wonderful night ge..

45 posted on 10/05/2005 8:24:07 PM PDT by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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To: N3WBI3
He just doesn't know you as well as I do. But based on his quote, he's starting to get an idea...

"more LIES from you. Might as well end it since all you can do is lie and insult."

46 posted on 10/05/2005 8:28:19 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle

Good night and God bless..

Good night to everyone else as well..


47 posted on 10/05/2005 8:31:16 PM PDT by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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To: Prime Choice
You are a quick & accurate judge of character, zeugma. ;o)

Thanks. I've been here a while :-)

As another Freeper pointed out, Brass Buzzard is a strange denizen. He doesn't speak to any conservative issues and is always whoring for Redmond.

That was probably me. I occasionally run GE's posting history through a few scripts to demonstrate the fact that he is the very definition of troll. You can go through a thousand posts of his without him posting anything but his standard anti-opensource whoring except maybe one sports-related thread or something else unoffensive politically.

Can you imagine being that single minded for as many years as he has been posting here? I'd call it pathological, but I only play a doctor on TV.

48 posted on 10/05/2005 8:35:58 PM PDT by zeugma (Warning: Self-referential object does not reference itself.)
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To: zeugma

Simply takes a lot of time to counter all the propoganda being constantly posted by N3wbie and shadowman. They maintain ping lists of endless propoganda, faithfully bringing us all the latest BS from places like blogs and all their favorite foreign websites.

If my cold slaps of reality and starch conservatism bother you, you're welcome to try to factually debate, and provide counter links to the countless ones I provide. But generally all I ever get is name calling and insults, just as we see here.


49 posted on 10/05/2005 9:01:30 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle
I never claimed all open source crypto systems had been cracked.

Liar.

MSN Korea is not Microsoft.com.

You're lying again.

Obscurity is a level of security

Poor misguided fool. If obscurity offered any security at all, Microsoft wouldn't be getting its dumb butt owned every six ways 'til Sunday.

But you go right on thinking you're right, sport.

But just remember: we're not laughing with you; we are laughing at you.

50 posted on 10/05/2005 9:48:44 PM PDT by Prime Choice (E=mc^3. Don't drink and derive.)
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