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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 17

Posted on 11/05/2005 1:26:38 PM PST by Slings and Arrows

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1 posted on 11/05/2005 1:26:39 PM PST by Slings and Arrows
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To: Slings and Arrows

Thank you, S&A. I'll ping everyone.


2 posted on 11/05/2005 1:28:19 PM PST by LucyT
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To: RGVTx; shebacal; Vn_survivor_67-68; Canadian Outrage; justche; penowa; TexKat; Malichi; ...

Ping to the new thread.


3 posted on 11/05/2005 1:39:24 PM PST by LucyT
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To: LucyT; Slings and Arrows

Muchas gracias! Ahhh...so roomy and fresh in here.

I promise I won't bother you again, Slings and Arrows. Just wanted to say thanks!


4 posted on 11/05/2005 1:44:26 PM PST by RGVTx
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To: LucyT

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 3

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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1471591/posts

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5 posted on 11/05/2005 1:48:32 PM PST by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

Damn......the html tags or whatever is done to make red words into links didn't carry thru, sorry


6 posted on 11/05/2005 1:50:09 PM PST by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

That's ok. It's the thought that counts.

Do you suppose this article relates in any way to Aruba?

Mexican Drug Lords Increasingly Powerful
Yahoo! ^ | Sat Nov 5,11:42 AM ET | By OLGA R. RODRIGUEZ

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051105/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/drug_traffic_mexicans_in_charge_drug1


7 posted on 11/05/2005 2:00:04 PM PST by LucyT
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To: Slings and Arrows

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8 posted on 11/05/2005 2:18:33 PM PST by MAWG (In the shadows, on permanent ambush duty.)
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To: RGVTx

No bother at all, and glad to help.


9 posted on 11/05/2005 3:16:00 PM PST by Slings and Arrows (Nature abhors a vacuum. So do cats.)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

Your link to thread 16 should be sufficient. From there all other threads are linked on page one. So your effort was not wasted. Thanks!


10 posted on 11/05/2005 3:20:53 PM PST by RGVTx
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68
From post #3,739: This bit made me think of Charles Croes, the cellphone operator who speaks near-perfect American english....whatever happened to him? Just a flash-in-the-pan or what?

I, also, would like to know what happened to CC, why he has maintained silence after first speaking out. I would like to know the details of any cell phone call records from whatever cell company involved that show a couple of calls to the states that we have heard were possilbly made by Natalee that night.

Here is the interesting statement CC made on Greta's show:

"There are issues in this case that can go beyond the obvious in their implications.

It will take time for all the information regarding this lovely child to come out.

Some of it will be hard to handle some of it will be expected ...

In my opinion, this issue has far reaching implications for all those involved. I wish us all strength."

And, this is why he causes heart palpitations for some here:


11 posted on 11/05/2005 7:57:44 PM PST by shebacal (Go, Minutemen, Go)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68
To post a website link:

type this:

< a href= "http://put website url here">< font color="red">< b>put in here what you want the link to say< / b >< /font>< / a>

I had to put a space between the < a h r e f = and the < font color="red">< b> and the < /b >< /font>< /a> because if I type them closed up like they are supposed to be, it doesn't show as an example, just the link in red shows.

So, close up the < a then a space then close up the h r e f=" close up the < b> and close up the < /b>< /font>< /a>. The only space should be between the a and href.

Don't forget to put in the " in front of the http, and the " at the end of the url.

12 posted on 11/05/2005 8:32:49 PM PST by shebacal (Go, Minutemen, Go)
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To: All
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/.

Americas Most Wanted; John Walsh, Tim Miller and Patricia Kilpatrick on the Natalee Holloway Investigation
November 5th, 2005

Tonight, America’s Most Wanted and John Walsh will be doing a special on the Natalee Holloway case and Texas Equusearch.

America’s Most Wanting will be discussing their recent trip to Aruba, what they discovered and discussions with Dave Holloway. Also the discovery on the make shift memorial to Natalee Holloway.

Both Dave and Beth have returned to Aruba numerous times, searching for clues and confronting the Aruban government about their investigation of Natalee’s case.

Just last week, Dave, accompanied by EquuSearch - a search and recovery team for missing persons - discovered a makeshift memorial for Natalee. A small wooden cross, surrounded by rocks and coral and draped in rosary beads, stood just yards from where Natalee was reportedly last seen alive. Carved in the corner of the cross were the initials “N.H.”

To continue reading:

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/.
13 posted on 11/05/2005 8:36:51 PM PST by shebacal (Go, Minutemen, Go)
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http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/

Aruba Getagrip
A compilation of translated and English language Aruban media articles regarding the Natalee Holloway investigation.
Saturday, November 05, 2005

Opportunity for Government to show a new face!
Natalee’s family asks a new investigative team
Request for Commissioner Dompig and Prosecutor Janssen to be removed!
DIARIO Aruba 11/04/2005

ORANJESTAD (AAN): Beth Twitty made her lightning visit to Aruba with only one goal. To hand over a letter signed by all 4 members of the direct family of Natalee Holloway, to the Attorney General Croes Fernandez-Pedra.

Today DIARIO published this letter in its totality and in its original language so that the people can see how certain steps were not right, from the first days of the search, as well as the strange attitude of the functionary Dennis Jacobs, as well as certain statements of Commissioner Dompig and also prosecutor Karen Janssen.

The six page letter clearly shows how difficult it is for the family to remain quiet, related to all that they have encountered, which they have written in the letter.

They believe that it would be best to have a ‘fresh start’ in the case. One can look at this step for Aruba face this with a new face and form a new investigative team.

The letter was written by Arthur E. Wood and at the end it is also signed by the 4 family members.

[translated by Getagrip]
posted by Getagrip at 11/05/2005 02:02:00 PM
14 posted on 11/05/2005 8:40:32 PM PST by shebacal (Go, Minutemen, Go)
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To: All

On this website there is a picture of Urine riding a bicycle in what looks like Holland.

This is how Aruba and Holland deals out justice, while NATALEE IS DISAPPEARED. (Can't post picture, url must be blocked.)

http://www.joranvandersloot.blogspot.com/


15 posted on 11/05/2005 8:59:39 PM PST by shebacal (Go, Minutemen, Go)
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To: shebacal; justche; LucyT; MAWG; Canadian Outrage; All

Art Wood on Fox News saying rumors on the island say a friend of Joran's boat was used the night Natalee disappeared. (Sorry, missed some words due to copter flying over). They've been watching Joran's friend and he is getting nervous. This is a person who has been questioned in this case in the past. Some leads about where the boat was launched led them to find the cross with NH carved in it.

This is the witness Dave has begged Dompig to bring in for questioning.


16 posted on 11/05/2005 9:44:45 PM PST by RGVTx
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To: RGVTx

so there's a 'graveside' or remembrance cross?


17 posted on 11/05/2005 9:51:49 PM PST by justche (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Damn straight, I'll cast the first stone!" - MeanWestTexan)
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To: RGVTx; All
On The Lineup, tonight on Fox:

Aruban prosecutors saying they have more witnesses to interview. They are not saying who they are interviewing, but some are new witnesses and some are old witnesses (believed to be Dave and Beth)

DomPIG would not meet with Beth because "she had not cooperated with him before..."

The Aruban Attorney General's response to the Family Letter was a letter to Bob Riley, Governor of Alabama, that any decision about making replacements of investigative team requested by family was not up to Aruba, the decision would be made by Holland.

The word on the street is a friend of Urine's used his boat to take Natalee's body to sea. Art said he and Dave had watched that guy and he is very nervous. Art said he and Dave requested that this witness/suspect be picked up right away. This is someone who has been interviewed before in the case.

Art said it is not a cold case. The need is to replace Jacobs, get new interviews, take new statements from three primary suspects they are all incomplete.
18 posted on 11/05/2005 10:05:00 PM PST by shebacal (Go, Minutemen, Go)
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To: justche

Yes, Dave talked about this in the last day or so. I recall seeing a picture of it somewhere. They've heard it's been there for about 3 months. It's near the fisherman's huts area. It's a small wooden cross with NH carved into it and rosary beads draped over it.

I'm wondering about the name of this friend with a boat. I remember there was a guy who claimed to have spent the night at Joran's apartment that night. I wonder if he has a boat.

Or is this where Steve Croes really enters the picture. There's no way I buy his story of just trying to help someone he didn't know when he lied to ALE.


19 posted on 11/05/2005 10:06:36 PM PST by RGVTx
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To: shebacal

You must have a nitrous system hooked up to your fingers to get these nearly verbatim transcript posts on here so fast. Thanks for the work you do, Sheba.


20 posted on 11/05/2005 10:13:33 PM PST by RGVTx
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To: RGVTx

I was just talking to a FreeperFriend about my memory - I thought the kid that spent the night - was VanStrattan's son?

Somehow I missed it about the cross - I wonder who is Catholic? The Kalpoes are Hindu? The Vandersloots - I can't imagine being Catholic, but maybe


21 posted on 11/05/2005 10:14:45 PM PST by justche (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Damn straight, I'll cast the first stone!" - MeanWestTexan)
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To: justche
On Americas's Most Wanted:

http://www.amw.com/

Finding Natalee -- A Father's Discovery

Dave Holloway has returned to Aruba with the Texas EquuSearch team and turned up some intriguing discoveries. Dave was the first to stumble across the simple makeshift memorial to his daughter -- is it a clue? Or an expression of grief from an anonymous well-wisher?

Read Full Story

http://www.amw.com/

22 posted on 11/05/2005 10:24:29 PM PST by shebacal (Go, Minutemen, Go)
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To: RGVTx
Thanks. But, he he, I scribble as I watch the TV news, then run to the room where the computer is, and try to read my bad writing well enough to type something that is hopefully accurate. I miss a lot.
23 posted on 11/05/2005 10:29:20 PM PST by shebacal (Go, Minutemen, Go)
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To: justche

Here's another page at America's Most Wanted with more pictures and info about the cross:

http://www.amw.com/features/feature_story_detail.cfm?id=827


24 posted on 11/05/2005 10:35:38 PM PST by shebacal (Go, Minutemen, Go)
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To: shebacal

Amazing feat, Sheba. I miss plenty in what I post and I've got a tv in the same room with my computer.


25 posted on 11/05/2005 10:37:28 PM PST by RGVTx
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To: justche; RGVTx

Wasn't the guy that spent the night at Urine's that Freddie Zedan Arenbutzis something?


26 posted on 11/05/2005 10:39:01 PM PST by shebacal (Go, Minutemen, Go)
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To: shebacal

COuld be - but isn't he related to VanStrattan? (Or am I hopelessly confused?)

Thanks for the AMW link. No wonder Dave is as pissed as Beth - he did have hope he'd still find her - and that disappeared.

I can't quite shake the tin foil - that if they make the family believe she's dead, they'll stop looking for her (not justice but her) and they can traffic her like they want to - I KNOW, i know - but that is a thought that just won't leave my head....


27 posted on 11/05/2005 10:41:36 PM PST by justche (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Damn straight, I'll cast the first stone!" - MeanWestTexan)
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To: justche
I've heard Mama Sloot is into Buddhism.

I'm not sure VDStraaten's son was ever ID. So not sure who the guy was at Joran's that night. I know it's been discussed but my memory fails me.
28 posted on 11/05/2005 10:43:50 PM PST by RGVTx
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To: shebacal

I think you might be right about Freddie. And isn't he the one involved in filming home porn movies and pictures?

I think he spent a night or so in jail at the same time the K2 bros were re-arrested. There was a big wind about him being charged with filming underage girls, but it just blew away to nothing.


29 posted on 11/05/2005 10:51:04 PM PST by RGVTx
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To: RGVTx; justche
Here is Freddie Arambtz Zedan - "Locoman"


30 posted on 11/05/2005 10:58:06 PM PST by shebacal (Go, Minutemen, Go)
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To: RGVTx
...big wind about him being charged with filming underage girls, but it just blew away to nothing.

That's how I remember it.

31 posted on 11/05/2005 11:01:04 PM PST by shebacal (Go, Minutemen, Go)
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To: shebacal

thanks, but I'm lucky to pull off a copy/paste link that works, LOL.

Croes posting is chilling, moreso than when he did it so long ago.....taken with the rumor of him visiting VDS before meeting Beth that nite and the apparent power or protection that PVDS seems to have, the implications could be exponential. Pretty substantial for a failed test or substitute judge, whatever the truth is. And remember that years ago he was involved in a big way in the investigation/prosecution of one of Jossy's relatives.

I'd like to give Croes AND Jossy some truth serum. Well, a whole bunch of them, actually.


32 posted on 11/05/2005 11:01:05 PM PST by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: justche
As much as I'd like to think Natalee is alive, I doubt it. I don't think it was chocolate and cleaning fluid found in Deepak's car.

I think Natalee probably died of a drug overdose because of Joran's statement about her going in and out of consciousness. I think it might have been Natalee's bodily fluids other than blood that was in Deepak's car.

My second scenario is Joran killed her in a rage. He is known to have a raging temper. And rape has an element of control, abuse and humiliation of the victim.
33 posted on 11/05/2005 11:03:59 PM PST by RGVTx
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To: RGVTx

Well common sense says you're right -

My grandad used to change which team he was rooting for bottom of the 9th if his team was losing - in my family we call that "pulling a gramps." I'd love to pull a gramps on this someday and say "SEEEEE I had this feeling she was still alive"

I do think that explains the just about pure fury we've seen from Beth and Dave - it could be that Beth was waiting for Dave to come to this conclusion - and he had to do it on his own. I can't help but wonder why Jug isn't being interviewed right now, or if he is, I've missed it.

I'm going to bed - night to those who are still up


34 posted on 11/05/2005 11:15:08 PM PST by justche (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Damn straight, I'll cast the first stone!" - MeanWestTexan)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68
I keep remembering what Croes said, and hoping he will make some further revelation to the FBI or DEA or something like that.

He has the cell phone business and, if I remember right, also a clothing store called BOSS on the main street. I would think he knows just about everyone on Aruba.

35 posted on 11/05/2005 11:18:05 PM PST by shebacal (Go, Minutemen, Go)
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To: justche

'Nite, justche, it's getting late.


36 posted on 11/05/2005 11:20:43 PM PST by shebacal (Go, Minutemen, Go)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68
I wasn't sure about Jossy for the longest time, but I think he might be a good guy. Sincere in his efforts to help Natalee's family. Of course, I've been wrong about some of the players in this story.

I've heard him express concern about the damage this case has done to Aruba, but unlike his counter parts, he has placed the blame of this damage where it belongs. He has been fair and supportive of the family, particularly Beth.

I appreciate the help his family has given with the searches. Jossy's son was involved hands on with the landfill searches.

I think it was a very helpful move for Jossy to print the family's letter to the Aruban AG. The reason given is to educate the Arubans about the truths Natalee's family has encountered that shows the reason for the family's anger.

Perhaps Jossy is trying to stir up some local activism in support of Natalee's family to put pressure on ALE and the prosecutor to solve this case. I think Jossy has long ago figured out that justice for Natalee will prevent the further economic damage to Aruba. Now the populace needs to realize this and seek justice for Natalee.
37 posted on 11/05/2005 11:32:42 PM PST by RGVTx
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68
CC was involved in a golf tournament:

www.visitaruba.com

News Briefs for July 1-31, 2001
The Tierra Del Sol Golf Tournament


The Tierra Del Sol Golf Tournament over the weekend was pronounced a great success. Sponsors HUGO BOSS & Cuba's Cooking restaurant, were both extremely happy with the turnout and intend to double that performance next year. In total, 87 persons signed up for the two day event.

The event is reported to have been the largest First-Time tourney in the history of Tierra Del Sol. More than 30% of the players came from Venezuela and stayed at the Wyndham Aruba Resort & Casino, which was a notable off-season feat. Insiders report the two days delivered a tremendous amount of fun.

Special thanks goes to Cory McKin (golf pro at TDS) who has been an example of great management and has gone overboard to make sure that everyone had a great time and that the technical aspects of the tournament were run as they should be. His efforts and conduct were recognized by both sponsors. Players report the golf course is in magnificent condition and that the service and the attention to detail, were impeccable.

The tourney wrapped up Sunday night with award ceremonies and a BBQ. The BOSS team of Antonio Lozada and Aureliano Chopitea made an excellent showing. So did local husband and wife team the van Schaijk and golf partners Breuninger & Leonard. Charles Croes, the HUGO BOSS man on the island wanted the honors of being in last place, but was only able to secure second to last.


Attorney Andin Bikker won a HUGO BOSS sports watch for his outstanding "Shoot-out"(closest to the marker shot.)

[courtesy of Rona Coster ]

38 posted on 11/05/2005 11:33:32 PM PST by shebacal (Go, Minutemen, Go)
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To: justche

I know what you mean. I hope you do get to 'pull a Gramps.'
Cute story... :)


39 posted on 11/05/2005 11:36:04 PM PST by RGVTx
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To: shebacal

Morning Shebacal,
Have you ever thought about Chavez of Venz. being involved in this scenario?

I think this case involves anti-americanism terrorisism as well.

I sure wish President Reagan were here, for we would see some action taken instead of pandering.

President Bush needs to stop kissing the mooselems & NOLA refugees asses, and start (TCBing in a flash)

Chavez needs to be muzzeled or neutralized, I prefer the latter.

Saying What Needs To Be Said,
NSNR-WNA(Who needs aruba?)








40 posted on 11/06/2005 5:38:09 AM PST by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: No Surrender No Retreat
Have you ever thought about Chavez of Venz. being involved in this scenario?

I don't know much about Chavez, except that he seems to want war with the US. Too bad that we need Venz. oil.

I have thought about the nearness of mainland Venezuela, and all the small, fast boats that must be making that 19 mile run re: drugs. How easy it would have been to cell-phone some gangster on the mainland to come pick her up.

Those 2 cell-phone calls haunt me. "I don't recognize any of these people". I think Natalee was in the PVDS house that night, probably surrounded by the evil son, the evil father, the bottom-feeding-remora-K-2's and that sleep-over-video-toting friend. God knows what they did to her there - that's why PVDS sweats buckets and freaked-out when TES offered to search his property to clear his name. He knows what he did.

41 posted on 11/06/2005 10:39:53 AM PST by shebacal (Go, Minutemen, Go)
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To: All
http://www.amw.com/features/feature_story_detail.cfm?id=832

Beth Twitty Criticizes new New Round of Interviews by Prosecution in the Natalee Holloway Investigation

According to the AP, Beth Twitty is rather critical of the Prosecutions new interviews. It would appear that they want to question and re-question former classmates of Natalee Holloway in the United States. It seems to be Beth Twitty’s contention that the ALE have botched the case and only need to reinterview the Mountain Brook students because they messed up the original interviews with them and never initially asked important questions. The speculation has always been whether the ALE ever took the disappearance seriously in the first case.

Beth Holloway Twitty repeated her charge that Aruban officials ignored leads and botched case and said they only want to speak with former classmates because there were holes in their questions.

Snip...
Beth Twitty pushes forward with her criticisms of an investigation that is deserving. One can only imagine what would have come of this investigation without such persistence?

To continue reading:

http://www.amw.com/features/feature_story_detail.cfm?id=832

42 posted on 11/06/2005 10:53:13 AM PST by shebacal (Go, Minutemen, Go)
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Oooops.
That post above was from Scared Monkeys:

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1829#more-1829

Sorry about that - too many windows going on.
43 posted on 11/06/2005 10:55:51 AM PST by shebacal (Go, Minutemen, Go)
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To: All
From America's Most Wanted:

www.amw.com

The Search For Natalee Holloway: A Producer's Diary - Day 2
10/26/2005

Tim Miller talks with the group about the search.This is the second in a series of journal entries AMW correspondent Rick Segall wrote as he searched in Aruba with Dave Holloway, Natalee Holloway's father, and the EquuSearch team.

I've never liked boats on the ocean, ever since I got sick on a deep-sea fishing charter as a kid. But after meeting Dave Holloway, there is nothing that can keep me from getting on the search boat today to search for Natalee Holloway. For me, it's not just about a young woman who keeps popping up in the headlines. It's about a father facing the reality that his little girl may be somewhere out in these impossibly blue waters. The more Dave talks about it, the more he forces me to contemplate having my own sweet daughter lost in the sea. I get teary-eyed every time I let myself go down that path.

Snip...Out On The Water
Back and forth. Back and forth. That's what the boat does all day. Further and further from shore. The EquuSearch experts keep an eye out for anything irregular. Nothing. Then a find late in the afternoon. The FISH picks up a large rectangular object about 40 feet down on the ocean floor. The discovery is both exciting and horrifying.

Everyone on the boat knows what we're looking for. The Deputy Chief of Police told Dave Holloway and the EquuSearch team to look out for a large steel fishing cage that was stolen from the same spot where Natalee Holloway was last seen. The theory is that Natalee may have been put in a fishing cage and dumped into the sea the night after she disappeared. Is this object on the ocean floor that fishing cage?

Snip...A Mysterious Find At The Bottom Of The Sea



I wish I were a certified diver. But without those skills, I have to stay on the boat while the pros slip on their scuba gear. Two divers head to the ocean floor to investigate the suspicious object. As hard as I try, I can't see anything 40 feet down, so I just follow their air bubbles as they break on the surface. They are gone for about 10 minutes. Finally, back to the surface. It is NOT a fishing cage. It is a large cement block. But the divers say it is suspiciously out of place.

The cement block could be a boat mooring. That sounds like a logical explanation to me, since lots of boats are sporadically moored in this area of the harbor. But the divers say the cement block has nearly no marine growth, indicating that it is brand new. And it has no hooks to moor a boat. I think maybe it just flipped over when it was dropped into the sea and the hooks are on the underside. But the EquuSearch team wants to determine if they need to bring this block to the surface for further investigation.

Now we're on a fact finding mission. The divers check out the moorings of several nearby boats to see if they all look the same. They find one that's similar, but nothing that's identical to the block we just found. So the EquuSearch volunteers mark the spot for further investigation. Then it's back to shore.

Snip...
Dave meets us on shore with his usual optimistic smile. I don't know how he does it. I know it helps to be with Tim Miller. Tim reminds us all that it was another successful day, pointing out that we cleared several more square miles on the map. Tim says "We have a better idea of where we won't find Natalee. Tomorrow is another day."

To continue reading:

www.amw.com
44 posted on 11/06/2005 11:04:02 AM PST by shebacal (Go, Minutemen, Go)
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To: shebacal

Afternoon Shebacal,
Good logic and maybe we should just take crybaby chavez's oil empire.

I too, believe Natalee was in VDS house that crucial night. Maybe this is what the four perps do, when avds goes away on her secular trips.

Natalee may well be on the property of vds or in a foreign country harem.

Why our leader(s) let this island cess pool dictate to us, is repulsive. We should have the island quarantined until we meet our objective concerning Natalee.

Too bad, she was not a senator's or congressman's daughter. We would be seeing a much different approach in this case.

Possibly if Natalee were muslim or a NOLA refugee, our leaders would be breaking their legs to help.

Just Stating The Obvious, In A Delusional World,
NSNR-WNA "Who Needs aruba????"


45 posted on 11/06/2005 11:14:30 AM PST by No Surrender No Retreat
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The cement block could be a boat mooring. That sounds like a logical explanation to me, since lots of boats are sporadically moored in this area of the harbor. But the divers say the cement block has nearly no marine growth, indicating that it is brand new. And it has no hooks to moor a boat. I think maybe it just flipped over when it was dropped into the sea and the hooks are on the underside.

I don't think this is a boat mooring with the hooks on the underside. No no no, that's not now it is done.

This is why. My husband, son and I made our own 800 lb cement mooring and placed it in Tomales Bay, CA for our sailboat. Before we hauled it over there to drop in the water, we imbeded into the wet cement a part of a big old bridge turnbuckle for the eye, then hooked the swivel shackle to the eye, then hooked on 75 feet of heavy chain, then another swivel shackle and then attached the mooring rope, with float attached to that.

You do not drop a concrete mooring block in deep water with no tackle attached to it, and then start worrying about how you are going to attach all the necessary tackle. You never want to let go of the bitter end of a mooring rope or chain. It's called the bitter end for a reason.

If a mooring block lands upside down, you just wench up on the mooring chain until it turns upright.

This cement block is not a upside down mooring block.

Didn't someone post that PVDS poured cement in his backyard after Natalee disappeared? Is this the Aruban version of the "cement overshoes of the mafia"? Is this the explanation of PVDS's comment, "No body - no case".

46 posted on 11/06/2005 11:18:49 AM PST by shebacal (Go, Minutemen, Go)
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To: All

now = how


47 posted on 11/06/2005 11:25:53 AM PST by shebacal (Go, Minutemen, Go)
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To: shebacal

This may be a dumb question, but has anybody dug up the area around the cross? Maybe there is something else there.


48 posted on 11/06/2005 3:13:01 PM PST by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: truthluva

As far as I know there has been no digging around the cross. Hopefully, TES at least checked the area with their locating equipment.

There was digging reported at the fishermen's huts early on, and at the shallow "grave" hole found on the east side.


49 posted on 11/06/2005 3:47:27 PM PST by shebacal (Go, Minutemen, Go)
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To: shebacal

How about fingerprints?


50 posted on 11/06/2005 3:50:14 PM PST by deetch (Frank)
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