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Teen dad profiled in People mag is killed
UPI ^ | 11/21/2005

Posted on 11/22/2005 7:20:33 AM PST by ncountylee

PHILADELPHIA, Nov. 21 (UPI) -- An 18-year-old single father whose struggle raising his toddler daughter was featured in People magazine has been killed in Philadelphia.

Terrell Pough was shot in the head on his way home from work Thursday night and later died at Temple University Hospital, the Philadelphia Inquirer reported.

Police said they have no suspects but do have a possible lead. No further details of the slaying were released.

The August issue of People profiled Pough, who worked as the night manger at a local restaurant while attending school full-time and raising his daughter, Diamond, who will be 2 on Nov. 27.

"She's what I work for, what I live for, why I wake up," he told People. "She's everything."

Diamond, who had full-custody of his daughter, had planned to work in construction after graduating next June.

"If something ever happens to me, no one can ever tell her that her dad didn't take care of her," he told People.


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To: yellowdoghunter

Well, you're female.


101 posted on 11/22/2005 8:27:54 AM PST by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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To: Sensei Ern

But that's exactly my point. This young man isn't being honored for having a child out of wedlock--he's being honored for doing the right thing afterwards.


102 posted on 11/22/2005 8:29:14 AM PST by born in the Bronx
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To: mlc9852
I am just glad Jesus wasn't afraid to cast the first stone. Him and His disciples spoke out very forcefully on what was right and wrong.

But to some people....judging at all, no matter if it is before the fact or after is wrong!!! More wrong than the initial act.

But like I said, 40 years of the crap has lead to the American family being a sad place for children.

103 posted on 11/22/2005 8:30:36 AM PST by yellowdoghunter (Liberals should be seen and not heard.)
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To: Ninian Dryhope

how heartless, at least he was proving for the child, did not recieve entitlements, so I guess you are perfect.


104 posted on 11/22/2005 8:31:10 AM PST by dubyawhoiluv
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To: wideawake
One does not forgive the sin, but the sinner. When one acknowledges their sins, and seeks redemption, we should embrace them, not shun them. There was a carpenter from Galilee that died on a cross so that it could be.
105 posted on 11/22/2005 8:31:11 AM PST by FFIGHTER (Character Matters!)
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To: Ninian Dryhope

Pretty cold. Maybe when she grows up you can contact her and tell her that in person. That'll make everything better!


106 posted on 11/22/2005 8:32:02 AM PST by steveo (Stewpot - There is absolutely nothing like the frame of a dame...)
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To: wideawake
Well, let us wait and see what the police find out...I will look forward to hearing if you think it is okay to judge once we know all the facts about his death.

I think it will be interesting.

107 posted on 11/22/2005 8:32:24 AM PST by yellowdoghunter (Liberals should be seen and not heard.)
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To: dubyawhoiluv
Will your opinion change if we find out he was involved in some nefarious activites that lead to his death?

There is more to this story than is being reported...but like I said, will you defend him then?

108 posted on 11/22/2005 8:33:36 AM PST by yellowdoghunter (Liberals should be seen and not heard.)
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To: steveo
Pretty cold for a person to wish that this child had been born into a loving, stable, two-parent home?

I find your statement odd but I guess you are one of those who won't judge anything....everything is good....don't cast the first stone, etc....

Well 40 years of that crap has lead to the breakdown of the American family...I hope it helps you feel better about yourself that you NEVER told anyone that anything was wrong!

109 posted on 11/22/2005 8:35:32 AM PST by yellowdoghunter (Liberals should be seen and not heard.)
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To: wideawake

Sounds like you're assuming that young black men can't keep from having unmarried sex. Sounds racist to me.


110 posted on 11/22/2005 8:36:12 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: mlc9852
Just think if young, black men had had 40 years of people telling them what was wrong and what was right. What was moral and what was immoral. But then again that would have required someone to actually judge actions of others. And on my gosh, we just can't have that!!!!

Just think if we had not allowed out-of-wedlock births to become so acceptable in the last 40 years...if people had spoken out forcefully against it...but then again...someone would have had to "cast the first stone"...and oh my gosh, we can't do that!!!! We might hurt someone's feelings.

111 posted on 11/22/2005 8:40:00 AM PST by yellowdoghunter (Liberals should be seen and not heard.)
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To: mlc9852
Wow, you're a sad one.

I specifically said that most people make the assumption that what he did was impossible.

From this, you jump to the conclusion that I am a racist -even though I know what he did is not only quite possible, but was the norm in the black community before The Great Society.

I guess making stupid accusations is easier than actually making a coherent argument for your ridiculous point of view.

112 posted on 11/22/2005 8:40:04 AM PST by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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To: wideawake

I and others have already made coherent arguments. Would you be arguing the same way if this was a white kid in the burbs? Would that have made People magazine?


113 posted on 11/22/2005 8:41:13 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: yellowdoghunter

any loss of life is tragic, there probaley is more to the story ,but she could have been abortd, thrown in a dumpster,wasted away in the foster child program; either way she is w/o the person who loved and cared for her and so many wonder why conseratives and this site is labeled as a bunch of rightwinged nuts and racist just look at the comments. yes ideally every child should be raised with two loving parents, I know my mom and dad were wonderful,but life has a funny way of interfering be it by a tragic loss of life that our military men and women endure,drug use,abusive home life and too numerous to mention, he tried and he should be given credit.


114 posted on 11/22/2005 8:42:35 AM PST by dubyawhoiluv
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To: mlc9852
but was the norm in the black community before The Great Society.

You mean someone is actually admitting that people did condemn this type of behavior in the past? It was okay to "cast the first stone" in the past?

Oh my gosh....how did people live back then? It must have been terrible for children to have stable, two-parent homes! (sarcasm)

I completely understand the point you were trying to make.

115 posted on 11/22/2005 8:42:47 AM PST by yellowdoghunter (Liberals should be seen and not heard.)
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To: dubyawhoiluv
I agree with most of your comment but speaking out about what is right and what is wrong is not bigoted or racists. We have allowed people to use that argument for 40 years and look at what it has done to the American family. NO MORE! I and others will speak out on things that are wrong.

and this site is labeled as a bunch of rightwinged nuts and racist

Only by certain other websites.

116 posted on 11/22/2005 8:45:37 AM PST by yellowdoghunter (Liberals should be seen and not heard.)
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To: Sensei Ern
I don't think he should be lauded as a hero

Any father who loves his child, supports her, and does whatever he can to take care of her is a hero. Fathers are indispensable, and this kid was doing something that a lot of men older than he was don't do.

A great father is a child's hero.

117 posted on 11/22/2005 8:46:39 AM PST by teenyelliott (Soylent green should be made outta liberals...)
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To: mlc9852
just if he hadn't (and the girl) made a big mistake to begin with, then this situation wouldn't exist.

Woulda, shoulda, coulda. Hindsight is 20/20.

What is the point of discussing what might have been? The fact is, right or wrong, a beautiful child was born, and her father, who obviously loved her, is now dead.

118 posted on 11/22/2005 8:49:39 AM PST by teenyelliott (Soylent green should be made outta liberals...)
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To: yellowdoghunter
Permit me to cast the first stone by saying that you are an absolute f'ing a**hole.

Hey--you're right. This casting the first stone business is alright!

119 posted on 11/22/2005 8:50:50 AM PST by cicero's_son
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To: yellowdoghunter
WOW! You mean Jesus would have told this guy what he was doing was wrong?

Your idea of "casting the first stone" is guilting anyone for making a sinful mistake.

Back in Jesus' day, casting the first stone was physically stoning someone for making a sinful mistake.

So you are wrong in your remark.

You also seem to think I have this idea that i think what the guy did in having a child outside of wedlock is ok with me. Its not but its also not my place to judge the man because I have made sins and dont expect to be harped about it from other sinners like yourself. For if you do, it makes you a hypocrite. Telling me before hand that I shouldnt have kids before wedlock is fine. But to walk up to me and say "you are a sinner...you had kids our of wedlock." isnt what Jesus preached about.

Quite honestly, its not your place to judge other people's actions. Its our job as Christians to enforce Christ's teachings and to guide non believers to the words of God and his Son. Not guilt people for past mistakes.

I view you as a "God hates fags" type of "christian" who prefers to highlight other's failures rather than be a loving representative of Christ.

120 posted on 11/22/2005 8:52:04 AM PST by smith288 (Peace at all cost makes for tyranny free of charge...)
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To: cicero's_son

I hope you do not use that language around your children...but I have a feeling.....I will leave it at that.

Good day.


121 posted on 11/22/2005 8:53:47 AM PST by yellowdoghunter (Liberals should be seen and not heard.)
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To: Ninian Dryhope

And just how do you turn back the clock to correct mistakes?

Just how many young do everything correctly and never make mistakes?


122 posted on 11/22/2005 8:54:05 AM PST by ClancyJ (God give us the strength to fight the liberal onslaught against our President and our country.)
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To: smith288
View me however you want....I have no problem with that.

I will NEVER apologize for calling good, good, and wrong, wrong.

Quite honestly, its not your place to judge other people's actions.

Perfect example of what is wrong with America. And our children pay the price everyday.

123 posted on 11/22/2005 8:56:23 AM PST by yellowdoghunter (Liberals should be seen and not heard.)
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To: ClancyJ
And just how do you turn back the clock to correct mistakes?

You can't but that was not the point. The point was that as a society we should not glorify this type of behavior.

124 posted on 11/22/2005 8:57:22 AM PST by yellowdoghunter (Liberals should be seen and not heard.)
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To: yellowdoghunter
I hope you do not use that language around your children...but I have a feeling.....I will leave it at that.

Are you going to condemn him to Hell if he did? His language is not Christlike but either is your behavior.

Im all for a 2 parent (mom and dad) family environment with pregnancy occuring post marriage and the who shebang but its idealistic to believe that that can always occur as man is sinful by nature and perfection cannot be achived.

I will continue to stress said lifestyle to all adolescence I discuss with but I will be damned if I stand on a hill and highlight other's sins when my sins are visible for all to see.

125 posted on 11/22/2005 8:57:33 AM PST by smith288 (Peace at all cost makes for tyranny free of charge...)
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To: sheana

The guy who, at night, manages a restaurant which is open during the night.


126 posted on 11/22/2005 8:59:43 AM PST by Netheron
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To: teenyelliott

We should be discouraging our kids from getting into situations such as this. Not patting them on the head and saying "good job". It is laudable that he wanted to raise the child but it would have been much smarter to wait to become a father.


127 posted on 11/22/2005 8:59:44 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: yellowdoghunter
Perfect example of what is wrong with America. And our children pay the price everyday.

You are the perfect example Christianity is losing the PR game.

Headline: "18 yr old single father killed"
yellowdoghunter: "Serves him right...the sinner"

You arent doing anything to help America see the light...you are pushing those away.

128 posted on 11/22/2005 9:00:17 AM PST by smith288 (Peace at all cost makes for tyranny free of charge...)
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To: mlc9852

So, we should say nothing about how mature he was in handling the results of his mistakes?

That is worthy of nothing?

It is how we handle those mistakes that show the character that is being developed.

We are condoning nothing here. We are just appreciating the fact that a man is trying to pull himself and his daughter out of bad circumstances rather than just loiter at the bottom.


129 posted on 11/22/2005 9:00:19 AM PST by ClancyJ (God give us the strength to fight the liberal onslaught against our President and our country.)
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To: yellowdoghunter

I too agree that we should speak out , I for one am totally disgusted at how the welfare system and the great society plan has destroyed America and created a whole subculture of Americans who are totally dependent on the govt. from cradle to grave and scream rasicm at every opportunity. I am sick of the racebaiting ploy that is used so often and the republican party never challenges which they should slap down at every incident, what I was dismayed at was the callous remarks about his death and no words of sorrow for his child. I love this country with all of my heart,defended and support her become extremely annoyed and saddened when the flag is burned, our military is disrespected and the so call elites bash this great country and attack my beloved Dubya for no reason other than to regain power; and continue to destroy America and attempt to fashioned it after some european utopian model


130 posted on 11/22/2005 9:01:40 AM PST by dubyawhoiluv
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To: frogjerk
An eerie premonition...Almost like he knew he it was going to happen...

He was a young black male from inner city Philly... not exactly unexpected to assume something is going to happen to you.... sadly.

131 posted on 11/22/2005 9:01:59 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: smith288

So maybe the 10 Commandments should be changed to the 10 Suggestions? Why do you continue to defend immorality? Why not just say it is better to follow what the Bible teaches than to make up our own rules since obviously God knows more about human nature than we do? The Bible is clear that sex outside of marriage is a sin. Many of us are guilty but that does not make it right. Sin is still sin though not PC these days to call it that, right?


132 posted on 11/22/2005 9:02:25 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: smith288
His language is not Christlike...

But, but, I thought you said we shouldn't judge. Who are we to say his language is not Christlike?

You said it, not me.

133 posted on 11/22/2005 9:02:44 AM PST by yellowdoghunter (Liberals should be seen and not heard.)
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To: ClancyJ

So this was a story worthy of a national magazine? Why not praise the kids who stay in school without becoming parents, go on to college, get MARRIED, then have children? Why not honor them?


134 posted on 11/22/2005 9:03:22 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: smith288
Stick to the facts....I never said that.

You help dilute morality. You are afraid to speak out about what is right and what is wrong.

135 posted on 11/22/2005 9:03:49 AM PST by yellowdoghunter (Liberals should be seen and not heard.)
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To: yellowdoghunter

Who glorified? We are just sad that a man who was maturly handling the results of his prior indiscretions has been struck down.

His actions shown by how he was handling his responsibilities revealed that he was forming a strong character.


136 posted on 11/22/2005 9:03:58 AM PST by ClancyJ (God give us the strength to fight the liberal onslaught against our President and our country.)
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To: yellowdoghunter
"Are we not supposed to call anything wrong? Is nothing evil? Is there not a difference between right and wrong?"

I see your point, BUT, your criticism would probably be better directed at someone who DID NOT try to correct his mistake. If this young man did not try to care for his child and make something of himself, THEN you could call him evil and wrong. BUT, as it is, he was making a positive out of a negative. THAT's what everyone is trying to say. So, lighten up a little on the ones that do try to straighten up, and throw your critisms at the ones who don't. Fair?

137 posted on 11/22/2005 9:05:47 AM PST by jackibutterfly
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To: ClancyJ
Who glorified?

People Magazine.

I think we should all hold our opinions until we know why he was killed. He could have been involved in some nefarious activities that lead to his death. Or maybe not. Time will tell.

138 posted on 11/22/2005 9:06:36 AM PST by yellowdoghunter (Liberals should be seen and not heard.)
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To: jackibutterfly

critisms = criticisms


139 posted on 11/22/2005 9:07:41 AM PST by jackibutterfly
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To: jackibutterfly
Yes, fair. Please know that our main point was the glorification by People Magazine...not that this guy was trying to better his life.

However, I think we should all wait to form an opinion about his killing until we find out the facts....may be more to the story....

140 posted on 11/22/2005 9:07:50 AM PST by yellowdoghunter (Liberals should be seen and not heard.)
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To: mlc9852

Nobody is defending immorality.

But, it is rather tacky to harp on glorifying an immoral lifestyle just because people are saddened by a single father being killed. Now - just what happens to that child?

A tough break, a sad event and it was to the man's credit that he took on his responsibilities and was doing all he could to improve the life of his daughter.

Of course, it would have been better if he had just abandoned her to the courts and played into the stereotype of young no-good males. Then your example would have been free of any worthwhile actions.


141 posted on 11/22/2005 9:11:04 AM PST by ClancyJ (God give us the strength to fight the liberal onslaught against our President and our country.)
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To: mlc9852

We are not talking about the subject matter of a magazine.

As if I have any control over any media.

So why did you come on this thread? Apparently you do not care that the man died. Why in the world are you wasting time talking about a sinner.


142 posted on 11/22/2005 9:14:00 AM PST by ClancyJ (God give us the strength to fight the liberal onslaught against our President and our country.)
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To: ClancyJ
So why did you come on this thread? Apparently you do not care that the man died.

Oh please....the thread was always about much more than a death, which is ALWAYS tragic. Just like the thread about the boy being shot by police on the earthmover...go check out the posts...it is about much more than good wishes or sympathies for the boy...which is always the case on FR.

So please, don't try that argument.

143 posted on 11/22/2005 9:17:40 AM PST by yellowdoghunter (Liberals should be seen and not heard.)
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To: ClancyJ

You are missing the point here. I think it was the responsible and legal thing to do in taking care of his daughter. I just don't understand why this makes him a candidate for People, unless Jennifer Aniston was busy that week.


144 posted on 11/22/2005 9:18:22 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: teenyelliott

What is the point of discussing what might have been? The fact is, right or wrong, a beautiful child was born, and her father, who obviously loved her, is now dead.



As I was reading a book about pregnancy counseling recently, the phrase 'a sexual act can be a mistake, but a new life is not.'

Let me preface my comments by giving a little background: I am a cradle Catholic, conservative as they come; heck, I even follow the Church's teaching on artificial birth control (and I have the kids to prove it lol).

I used to look down on people like the young man in this story until about 4 years ago when I saw an announcement in our church bulletin about a pro-life group helping those women who had little to no support and often little hope in this world once they got pregnant. A voice inside me told me to volunteer, and it is a decision I have never regretted.

I have seen success stories (young people getting married and giving their kids a two-parent home or finally getting the support of their parents and family) and not so successful stories, but successful or not, I do it because there is always the chance things will turn out right. I do it because I want these young people to see that there is an option out there besides abortion. I want them to see that we in the pro-life movement do give a damn about the baby AND the mother as well (which is where a lot in the anti-abortion movement have failed until recent years). I do it because Christ commands us to love even the least of our brothers and sisters, even if we don't agree with every decision they have made.

I just took over as coordinator for this pro-life group in our parish a month ago (I am still a volunteer and not paid at all for this), and I now am getting a more inside look into the lives of these young women than I did before. Many have no idea of how many of these women (and young men) are trying to do what is right--they just need some help getting there. They know that they have made bad decisions, and the reason they come to us is that they want to do better. While there have been many stand-up dads in these situations, I have seen just as many take off and shirk their responsibility while the woman is left scared to death.

I have two young daughters, and while I will do all in my power to teach them to save themselves for marriage, I am also resolved to helping them do the right thing if they make a mistake. That's part of parenting. I am not going to throw my kid on the street, because I have seen what it does to a young woman when that happens.

The guy obviously did not make the best decision in having sex at such a young age, but unlike a lot of young black men, he seems to have stepped up and tried his damnedest to raise his child instead of running for the hills. He didn't dump his kid on society and say 'here, you raise her.' If he had, everyone would have been criticizing him for that.

I don't expect to change too many hearts with my thoughts, and I am probably a bleeding heart liberal to many here for having typed it...I have been called worse.


145 posted on 11/22/2005 9:19:01 AM PST by Okies love Dubya 2 ("To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it." G.K.Chesterton)
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To: ClancyJ

I saw the story on the news. I don't read People magazine so I didn't really know what they were talking about. I came on this thread to find out what made this guy so special. Apparently it's because he got a girl pregnant and was going to school and working. I'm just at a loss as to why this is newsworthy. Are we supposed to be that shocked when a young black man takes any kind of responsibility for his life? Personally I believe there are millions of young black men out there who are NOT getting girls pregnant but we don't hear about them - why?


146 posted on 11/22/2005 9:20:34 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: yellowdoghunter
I hope it helps you feel better about yourself that you NEVER told anyone that anything was wrong!

MAN! I'M BUSTED! Your correct I have never thought any behavior by anyone was ever wrong. Until now.

This kid was doing the right thing by his daughter, and I think that's good.
Your self righteous spew in my opinion is way out of line. Your opinion is wrong. Your opinion is wrong. Wow! That felt great! I'll be sure to tell people how wrong they are more often in the future!

147 posted on 11/22/2005 9:21:52 AM PST by steveo (Stewpot - There is absolutely nothing like the frame of a dame...)
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To: Okies love Dubya 2
I agree with most of what you said....but the point many were making is that this type of behavior should not be glorified.

Can you imagine what peole would say, some even here at FR, if someone of prominence went into the inner cities and started telling children that sex out-of-wedlock was wrong!!! There would be a national outcry. That is my point...people are called names for speaking out about what is right and what is wrong.

148 posted on 11/22/2005 9:24:33 AM PST by yellowdoghunter (Liberals should be seen and not heard.)
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To: All
Aren't those of you on this thread who despise self righteousness and judgmental ism being a bit too..... well.... judgmental?
149 posted on 11/22/2005 9:24:59 AM PST by darbymcgill
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To: steveo
Your opinion is wrong. Your opinion is wrong.

Just think of 40 years ago more people said that???? I wonder if our children would be better off?

But then again, there were people like you around to tell them to shut-up, they were hate-mongers, etc....

This kid was doing the right thing by his daughter..

I think we should wait to hear what the police say before we make that decision, don't you?

150 posted on 11/22/2005 9:26:35 AM PST by yellowdoghunter (Liberals should be seen and not heard.)
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