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Teen dad profiled in People mag is killed
UPI ^ | 11/21/2005

Posted on 11/22/2005 7:20:33 AM PST by ncountylee

PHILADELPHIA, Nov. 21 (UPI) -- An 18-year-old single father whose struggle raising his toddler daughter was featured in People magazine has been killed in Philadelphia.

Terrell Pough was shot in the head on his way home from work Thursday night and later died at Temple University Hospital, the Philadelphia Inquirer reported.

Police said they have no suspects but do have a possible lead. No further details of the slaying were released.

The August issue of People profiled Pough, who worked as the night manger at a local restaurant while attending school full-time and raising his daughter, Diamond, who will be 2 on Nov. 27.

"She's what I work for, what I live for, why I wake up," he told People. "She's everything."

Diamond, who had full-custody of his daughter, had planned to work in construction after graduating next June.

"If something ever happens to me, no one can ever tell her that her dad didn't take care of her," he told People.


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To: ncountylee

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151 posted on 11/22/2005 9:27:14 AM PST by Tribune7
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To: yellowdoghunter; smith288
Who said we can't judge?

I'm fine with judging. As I said, I judge you to be a first rate a**clown.

Your nagging and finger wagging is an embarrassment to conservatives and Christians everywhere. Which is precisely why you're coming under such attach on this quite conservative and largely Christian board.

152 posted on 11/22/2005 9:27:53 AM PST by cicero's_son
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To: yellowdoghunter
It was written about in People magazine because young urban male rarely take responsibility for past mistakes. Instead of taking it at face value you attempt to besmirch the individual. No one, including people magazine, (which is a shock I admit) was patting him on the back for fathering a child, no one was suggesting that it was a great idea to impregnate a girl at the age of 16, and no one suggested that it would be swell to be a single teenage parent.

The fact remains however that it happened. What should he have done in this position? Could any action on his part softened your hard heart against him? He did what any good person should have done...he took responsibility for his actions and worked to make life better for his daughter, whom he clearly loved. Instead of showing any appreciation for Him doing what so many others have failed to do in a similar situation you instead focus on the negative and dismiss the positive. You should be ashamed of yourself.
153 posted on 11/22/2005 9:33:28 AM PST by Durus ("Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." JFK)
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To: smith288
...I will be damned if I stand on a hill and highlight other's sins when my sins are visible for all to see

Ahh, yes. The classic “judge not lest you be judged” argument.

Let me say first that my heart goes out to this little girl. Her loss is enormous and permanent in ways she has yet to even know. Prayers up, everyone. I also have no problem with the accolades this young man received. So very many make this mistake and walk away, or kill the baby. I respect him for making some good choices after making some very poor ones.

All that being said, it does not change the fact that the price for his poor choices will be paid by his little girl. Parenthood is an enormous responsibility; one that is taken too lightly by so many. That is why sex was never meant to be a recreation for two or more “consenting adults”, but a physical bonding between a husband and wife only.

Now, back to the “judge not” issue. Logically, anyone pouncing upon anyone else for what they have stated in this post under this premise has violated it themselves. What we are discussing here is not so much “judgment”, as it is discernment. It is knowing the difference between right and wrong based on God’s definitions rather than man’s. I seriously doubt that anyone here has the ability to see what is in the heart of anyone else, so it seems foolhardy to me that anyone bash another for stating one portion of the above realities and not the rest.

So can we please just stop now with the bleeding heart vs. missing heart garbage?

154 posted on 11/22/2005 9:33:37 AM PST by 70times7 (An open mind is a cesspool of thought)
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To: yellowdoghunter
Can you imagine what peole would say, some even here at FR, if someone of prominence went into the inner cities and started telling children that sex out-of-wedlock was wrong!!!

I'd say "Excellent!" And so would most people I know.

155 posted on 11/22/2005 9:37:42 AM PST by EllaMinnow (The Florida Police Benevolent Association proudly supports Charlie Crist for Governor!)
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To: darbymcgill
Aren't those of you on this thread who despise self righteousness and judgmental ism being a bit too..... well.... judgmental?

Excellent point....also about people who despise self righteousness...that is a perfect description of alot of these people. For whatever reason, they can't stand for others to call out bad behavior.

156 posted on 11/22/2005 9:38:10 AM PST by yellowdoghunter (Liberals should be seen and not heard.)
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To: Ninian Dryhope
Thank you Captain Obvious.....
157 posted on 11/22/2005 9:38:56 AM PST by Uriah_lost (We aren't pro-war, we're PRO-VICTORY!)
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To: Sensei Ern

No Peter is NOT glorified for denying Christ - BUT he did turn himself around and live for Christ later didn't he?

This young man sinned - he also took responsibility for the outcome of that sin.

That is VERY unusual in today's society - so it made "news" (if one could call People "news").


158 posted on 11/22/2005 9:39:32 AM PST by pamlet
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To: Ninian Dryhope

Yes because in the olden day people did not have sex out of wedlock... Great heart for this guy you have.. I pray that in before his death he came ot know Christ and that he and his daughter will be reunited in the glory of his salvation..


159 posted on 11/22/2005 9:40:51 AM PST by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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To: mlc9852

Sigh... What is a testomony to regeneration in christ if we dont focus on what we were without him...


160 posted on 11/22/2005 9:43:32 AM PST by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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To: cicero's_son
As I said, I judge you to be a first rate a**clown.

Once again, I hope you don't use that language around your children....but I have a feeling....

Which is precisely why you're coming under such attach on this quite conservative and largely Christian board.

Oh no, I am not perceived as popular on a thread with 150 messages out of 200,000 plus users on FR. Doing what is right is not always popular, as a matter of fact, it is usually unpopular. Jesus taught that lesson.

I have found that when people have to start saying they are more popular than me...I have won the argument.

Good day.

161 posted on 11/22/2005 9:44:54 AM PST by yellowdoghunter (Liberals should be seen and not heard.)
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To: ncountylee

Sounds like the plantation overseers spotted an escapee and sent out some regulators to teach the others not to try.


162 posted on 11/22/2005 9:45:10 AM PST by fella (Political Correctness = Stuck On Stupid)
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To: Ninian Dryhope

True, but irrelevant. He made a mistake and did the best he could, if one accepts the story at face value.


163 posted on 11/22/2005 9:45:27 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (NY Times headline: Protocols of the Learned Elders of CBS, Fake but Accurate, Experts Say)
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To: yellowdoghunter
Are we not supposed to call anything wrong? Is nothing evil? Is there not a difference between right and wrong?

Oh sure we are... When someone has a heart which spits on the grave of a dead father for making mistakes we should call it wrong! Call his sin what it was, a sin... Then realize we have all sinned just as deeply against God and are all equally deserving of our own little room in hell. To read this story and have a hard heart about it is sad..

164 posted on 11/22/2005 9:47:32 AM PST by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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To: Durus
Instead of showing any appreciation for Him doing what so many others have failed to do in a similar situation you instead focus on the negative and dismiss the positive. You should be ashamed of yourself.

I think we should wait to hear more from the police on what circumstances lead to his death, don't you? He may or may not have been involved in some nefarious activities, we should wait and see.

And, no, I am not ashamed of myself. I only wish this child had a loving, stable, two-parent home.

165 posted on 11/22/2005 9:48:57 AM PST by yellowdoghunter (Liberals should be seen and not heard.)
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To: N3WBI3
Please don't lie about what I have said. My heart goes out to this young man and especially his daugther.

Will you be changing your mind if we find out from the police that he was involved in some nefarious activities. Or will he still be a role model for the rest of young men to look up to?

166 posted on 11/22/2005 9:50:58 AM PST by yellowdoghunter (Liberals should be seen and not heard.)
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To: mlc9852
Wouldn't it be better if the parents were ready (as in married) to have children?

Just because a couple is 'married' does NOT make them ready to have children.

167 posted on 11/22/2005 9:54:12 AM PST by conservativemama
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To: yellowdoghunter

Please dont lie about what I said, I never said he was a role model...


168 posted on 11/22/2005 9:56:14 AM PST by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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To: conservativemama
Just because a couple is 'married' does NOT make them ready to have children.

It sure does help....

169 posted on 11/22/2005 9:56:45 AM PST by yellowdoghunter (Liberals should be seen and not heard.)
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To: yellowdoghunter

I wonder what some of them on this thread will say if and I say IF we learn that he was involved in some nefarious activities that helped lead to his death? <<<<<<<<<<<

Whether he was involved in nefarious activities remains to be seen, but many of those shot and killed in "bad" neighborhoods are doing nothing but sitting, walking or driving. Non-gang members, not just rival gang members, are often targets of predators; teenagers are shot with their arms full of books sitting on a bus bench. That he was shot by no means indicates he ran drugs or was a gangster. Let's find out more, then you guys can castigate with more precision.

I do believe the kid admitted his mistakes as he took on the role of being the child's father. I wish I had a nickel for every cocky kid who had proudly told me his various children would be raised "on the county".


170 posted on 11/22/2005 9:56:47 AM PST by Mjaye
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To: billbears
two parent homes

Two parent homes don't necessarily make an 'ideal' home.

171 posted on 11/22/2005 9:57:33 AM PST by conservativemama
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To: N3WBI3
I stand corrected...or really just glad to hear you admit it.....I never said he was a role model...
172 posted on 11/22/2005 9:57:47 AM PST by yellowdoghunter (Liberals should be seen and not heard.)
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To: Mjaye
Whether he was involved in nefarious activities remains to be seen...

I am willing to wait and see what the police have to say.

173 posted on 11/22/2005 9:59:05 AM PST by yellowdoghunter (Liberals should be seen and not heard.)
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To: Ninian Dryhope

Yes.

But he made a mistake and was doing his best to do the right thing from there on out.

The best people in the world are not those who believe themselves to be perfect, but those who try their best to learn from their mistakes.

I am very sad this story did not have a better ending. I pray that his daughter will find a better life, and always appreciate what he tried to do for her.


174 posted on 11/22/2005 9:59:40 AM PST by pollyannaish
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To: yellowdoghunter
Note: I also did not say he was a poor role model, I dont know enough about his life but if Bush can get praise for kicking alcholism surely if he did live a Christian life after the fact he is just as worthy of thie tile 'role model'
175 posted on 11/22/2005 10:00:04 AM PST by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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To: yellowdoghunter

Well I view his death and the fact that he was apparently attempting to do the right thing by his daughter as two different things.

His death - well we have no idea what happened.

His life with his daughter - he was obviously doing the right thing in taking responsibility for the result of his (albeit) sinful action.

Of course we need to speak out against wrong doing - however this young man obviously took responsibility for his wrong doing in having premarital sex.


176 posted on 11/22/2005 10:00:47 AM PST by pamlet
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To: conservativemama

Okay.


177 posted on 11/22/2005 10:02:32 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: Ninian Dryhope

Yep, married people never get killed leaving behind orphans.


178 posted on 11/22/2005 10:02:39 AM PST by flada (They don't have meetings about rainbows.)
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To: conservativemama

I know that. I was responding to the idiocy of the poster that supported the view that a two parent home would apparently cure everything. I believe what this man did is admirable and should be held up as an example to others. What disgusts me is the stupidity of some here that would condemn a man even at the time of his death for doing something extraordinary


179 posted on 11/22/2005 10:02:58 AM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: yellowdoghunter

But why not feature it? The Bible is full of stories like this. In fact almost ALL the stories are like this.

It is not lauding him for his original screw up...it is lauding him for doing the right thing AFTER he screwed up.

His story may well have served as a warning to some who had not yet made mistakes...and as an inspiration to those who needed the courage to change their ways.

It's called redemption. It is the narrative of the ENTIRE Christian faith.


180 posted on 11/22/2005 10:05:16 AM PST by pollyannaish
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To: pollyannaish
I suggest we wait until we find out more about what lead to his death. What if we find out that he was still involved in nefarious activities even while putting on a front for doing the right thing?

I will wait until we know more.

181 posted on 11/22/2005 10:09:11 AM PST by yellowdoghunter (Liberals should be seen and not heard.)
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To: flada
Yep, married people never get killed leaving behind orphans.

It happens at a much lower rate.

182 posted on 11/22/2005 10:09:59 AM PST by yellowdoghunter (Liberals should be seen and not heard.)
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To: Abathar
He made a mistake, but he was man about it and did the right thing. He was working, going to school and trying to give his daughter the best life he could. I wish more young fathers would be this dedicated to their children.

BTTT. Well said. My prayers and sympathy for this young man and his daughter, who has lost an hardworking and dedicated father.

183 posted on 11/22/2005 10:13:56 AM PST by fortunecookie
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To: yellowdoghunter
Fair enough.

I just know, that as a Christian, I am blessed to have the blood of Christ cover the many, many mistakes I have made in my life.

I do not deserve it. But because I know that, I will do all I can not to repeat them.

If I had been tossed out of the boat the first time I wasn't perfect, well...why bother after that?

I often wonder how many of us would feel ticked off if in the end, we discover Bill Clinton is in heaven. Jonah and the story of Ninevah are never too far from our hearts, no matter how hard we try. Or the story of the prodigal son, especially as it relates to the older son who did the right thing, day in and day out.

I struggle with this often myself, and force myself to pray for my enemies, even when I don't feel like it. But that does not have ANYTHING to do with calling sin by its right name.

184 posted on 11/22/2005 10:15:04 AM PST by pollyannaish
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To: mlc9852
There is more to this story and it will come out. I pray this child finds a loving, stable, two-parent home in which to be raised.

I hope this child has someone willing to tell her what is right and what is wrong. I hope those people in her life will feel that they can judge and tell her what is right and what is wrong.

My sympathies go out to this young man, it is a tragedy when anyone is killed. I hope he knew God and Jesus.

I do applaud the young man for appearing to try to better himself but like I said I would rather wait and hear what the police say before I laud him as a hero to all generations!

185 posted on 11/22/2005 10:15:09 AM PST by yellowdoghunter (Liberals should be seen and not heard.)
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To: ncountylee

I saw that story, too, a great story, an example to those around him. It's terrible, a tragedy, I can hardly believe it. My thoughts and prayers are with his little daughter and his family.


186 posted on 11/22/2005 10:16:47 AM PST by fortunecookie
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To: yellowdoghunter
I suggest we wait until we find out more about what lead to his death.

And what then? What happens if nothing comes out? He was walking on his way home from work. In some neighborhoods that may be enough to get shot right there. What exactly are you waiting for?

Why is it you would condemn this gentleman with no evidence or reason to do so? What happened to the precept of innocent until proven guilty?

187 posted on 11/22/2005 10:21:06 AM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: SZonian

I agree.

I read that People magazine article and if I recall correctly the young man and his grandmother went to court to get custody of his daughter after the child's mother was proved an unfit parent.

Many young men from welfare backgrounds would much prefer that the mothers of their children either abort or raise the children, allowing the young men to run around and continue their self-destructive lifestyles. This guy at least stepped up to the plate and did what was right.

Yes, he made a mistage by having a child young and out of wedlock, but he certainly seemed devoted to his daughter and he worked hard to make a better future for the two of them. It is a shame that the little girl has lost her dad.


188 posted on 11/22/2005 10:26:20 AM PST by Rubber_Duckie_27
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To: billbears
Don't lie about what I have said.

Let us wait for the facts.

189 posted on 11/22/2005 10:30:09 AM PST by yellowdoghunter (Liberals should be seen and not heard.)
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To: GatorGirl

"So he deserved to die?"

Maybe, maybe not. I do not know enough about the circumstances of his death to make that call. He did father a child when he was sixteen, not married to the woman, and unemployed. I find that reprehensible and that was what I was commenting upon.


190 posted on 11/22/2005 10:30:40 AM PST by Ninian Dryhope
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To: ncountylee

I must have missed the newsletter.

Is the word of the day "nefarious"?


191 posted on 11/22/2005 10:31:12 AM PST by Woman on Caroline Street (Go sell crazy somewhere else. We're all stocked up here.)
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To: yellowdoghunter
Why should we wait for more information? Did he not already take responsibility for his actions? Are you hoping that they can find some (more then he confessed to) dirt on him so you can rationalize the ill will you have shown?

I too wish the child had a stable two-parent home. As long as I'm wishing, I'll further wish that she had a stable home with two parents that loved her instead of just the one, but regardless of either of us wishing that was not how it turned out. The young man made the best of a bad situation that he placed himself in. You don't know his heart or his relationship with god. You don't know enough to sit in judgment of his life other then this one mistake. You take that mistake and loudly proclaim his sin while ignoring his hard work to rectify that mistake. Then you claim a mantle of morality as if what you had done was the correct thing to do and had any benefit whatsoever. Yes he sinned in having sex out of wedlock. I have sinned thus...Do you wish to castigate me? I further suggest that you have sinned unless you are the second perfect person born on earth. Do you wish others to focus on your sins rather then the work you have done to resolve those sins? Would you wish a petty human who only looked at your sins to sit on the throne of judgment when your time has come or would you wish for G_d, who knows your heart, to sit in judgment?
192 posted on 11/22/2005 10:31:33 AM PST by Durus ("Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." JFK)
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To: Woman on Caroline Street

Yes, you missed the newsletter.


193 posted on 11/22/2005 10:33:07 AM PST by yellowdoghunter (Liberals should be seen and not heard.)
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To: Durus
Please don't lie about what I have said.

Let us wait for all the facts to come out.

My prayers are with this little girl. I hope she finds a loving, stable, two-parent home to be raised in.

I hope someone is willing to judge and tell her that certain things are wrong and certain things are right.

194 posted on 11/22/2005 10:34:43 AM PST by yellowdoghunter (Liberals should be seen and not heard.)
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To: yellowdoghunter

I haven't 'lied' about what you said. Your own words bear out what you think about this gentleman and his situation


195 posted on 11/22/2005 10:36:43 AM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: billbears
My words convey that I wish things had been different and that this type of behavior should not be glorified.

Like I said, don't lie about what I have said.

196 posted on 11/22/2005 10:40:00 AM PST by yellowdoghunter (Liberals should be seen and not heard.)
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To: cicero's_son
I'm fine with judging. As I said, I judge you to be a first rate a**clown.

Pathetic. This whole discussion was started because of some so called Christian wagging his finger at this poor father who was living with his admitted sin and making the best out of it for him and his daughter.

Its first rate assclown to demonize me for not condemning him post mortem. It is an embarassment to the teaching of Christ to sit here and focus on this man's errors instead of the positive he made of the sin and being a positive role model for men who have made similiar sins. Is it your request this mans drive to be a better man, provide for this child and give hope to a more successful family or would you rather him brushed under a rug as an embarassment to the human race? As a Christian, I can find far worse things than what this man has done. He isnt a bad man and he isnt the root of the downfall or morals in our society.

Thump your Bible at a single father doing the admirable thing of raising a child by himself. Just make sure you have a valid reason at judgement day besides "we dont throw the first stone enough anymore" (a line opposite of what Christ taught).

If you want to wag your finger at kids, fine. Can you at least wait until the body is in the ground before expressing your perfection to everyone?

Im totally and absolutely embarrased at the showing im seeing at some people here.

Our society isnt going down the tubes because of less people like you who cast first stones. Its rediculous to even argue this anymore... Im through. Its hard enough to defend Christianity when people align me with freaks who run around hitting people in the head with a 10 lb Bible but dont hit it on their own head first.

197 posted on 11/22/2005 10:42:14 AM PST by smith288 (Peace at all cost makes for tyranny free of charge...)
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To: smith288

Its hard enough to defend Christianity when people align me with freaks who run around hitting people in the head with a 10 lb Bible but dont hit it on their own head first.



You've given me a very interesting visual :)


198 posted on 11/22/2005 10:44:30 AM PST by Okies love Dubya 2 ("To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it." G.K.Chesterton)
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To: billbears; yellowdoghunter
Why is it you would condemn this gentleman with no evidence or reason to do so?

Because that's what gets her off. She does it on almost any story where somebody she considers beneath her is involved; she's one of the very first people on FR that condemened Harriet Miers, claiming that there was something "wrong" with a person who isn't married and they therefore shouldn't be allowed to serve; that was in the same post where she insinuated she was more than likely a lesbian.

What happened to the precept of innocent until proven guilty?

With this poster, that concept never enters into the conversation so long as she can act morally superior.

199 posted on 11/22/2005 10:45:10 AM PST by Howlin ("Victory is not a strategy. " ``Jack Murtha 11/18/05)
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To: yellowdoghunter
this type of behavior should not be glorified.

Oh heck no. We can't glorify the behavior of someone picking themselves up, getting a job, and working through what has to be one of the worst situations an 18 year old could find themselves in. Not a rags to riches story but definitely one that the gentleman didn't rely on the government but instead on himself. We definitely can't glorify someone that found themselves in a bad situation and decided to depend on himself, a self made man if you will, as our ancestors did.

And God knows our ancestors were all 'right thinking' individuals that never did anything that society would look down upon from its collective turned up nose. No, they were all married folk that walked the straight and narrow.

200 posted on 11/22/2005 10:46:31 AM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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