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Teen dad profiled in People mag is killed
UPI ^ | 11/21/2005

Posted on 11/22/2005 7:20:33 AM PST by ncountylee

PHILADELPHIA, Nov. 21 (UPI) -- An 18-year-old single father whose struggle raising his toddler daughter was featured in People magazine has been killed in Philadelphia.

Terrell Pough was shot in the head on his way home from work Thursday night and later died at Temple University Hospital, the Philadelphia Inquirer reported.

Police said they have no suspects but do have a possible lead. No further details of the slaying were released.

The August issue of People profiled Pough, who worked as the night manger at a local restaurant while attending school full-time and raising his daughter, Diamond, who will be 2 on Nov. 27.

"She's what I work for, what I live for, why I wake up," he told People. "She's everything."

Diamond, who had full-custody of his daughter, had planned to work in construction after graduating next June.

"If something ever happens to me, no one can ever tell her that her dad didn't take care of her," he told People.


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To: Sensei Ern

Because he saw the place to step up to the plate and did. I hear so many self righteous people on these boards complaining about urban people who populate the world with no responsibility for the kids they bring into the world. This kid did the right thing and lo and behold people want to criticize him.

Unfu&*en believable....


51 posted on 11/22/2005 7:48:54 AM PST by misterrob
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To: Ninian Dryhope

Just think, if he had made his girlfriend have an abortion he wouldn't have had to shoulder the responsibility. >S<


52 posted on 11/22/2005 7:49:06 AM PST by tiki
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To: LibWrangler
The old-fashioned way of doing things would be for the mother to abort the baby and disallowing the father to have any say-so.

Where is that condemned? Is it okay to say that is wrong or would that be casting the first stone????

We have allowed for the above to be the norm because anyone back then saying ANYTHING OTHERWISE would be shouted down and called "a holier than thou", etc.....just like you are doing now.

Do you see where that leads us when no one is willing to distinguish between right and wrong?

53 posted on 11/22/2005 7:50:16 AM PST by yellowdoghunter (Liberals should be seen and not heard.)
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To: yellowdoghunter
This is a sad story but he should have NEVER be lauded in People Magazine for making mistakes that will effect this child and society for a long time to come.

Dont get me wrong, I consider People magazine beneath the level of lining a bird cage.

And of course, there is the "right " way to do things.

But also we have a society that men sire children and do not take any interest in marriage or taking care of the child.

It maybe a small first step, but it is a step in the right direction to note a man who after making a mistake is willing to take care of his child and do better.

Some people here at FR ONLY see thorns and do not see the Rose that might grow from between the thorns.

54 posted on 11/22/2005 7:50:34 AM PST by A message
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To: tiki

And if you would have condemned her for having an abortion, those on the left would have called you a "holier than thou type," etc.... just like what is being done now.


55 posted on 11/22/2005 7:51:56 AM PST by yellowdoghunter (Liberals should be seen and not heard.)
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To: Ninian Dryhope
His daughter would have been better off is he would have waited to conceive her after he had graduated from high school, got a steady job, and married her mother. There is a reason for the old fashion way of doing things. It works.

Wow, you're taking a beating over this one. I happen to agree with you. I believe the message you are sending is not for this young father, but for all those potential young fathers out there. Just because someone makes a mistake doesn't mean we can't call it for what it is. This young man got it WRONG the first time, but to his credit, was trying to make things right. That DOES NOT cancel out the original mistake.

56 posted on 11/22/2005 7:54:02 AM PST by Niteranger68 ("Spare the rod, spoil the liberal.")
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To: yellowdoghunter
At this point in time, I think young inner city boys need all the examples they can find to show them how a father should take care of his children.

Not a traditional family, but at least this young man was trying to do the right thing.

I feel so sorry for his baby.

57 posted on 11/22/2005 7:54:18 AM PST by teenyelliott (Soylent green should be made outta liberals...)
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To: mlc9852; Ninian Dryhope
I agree with Ninian. Why glorify these mistakes?

I didn't read the article in People and I really have no dog in this fight. However, the subject of both this article and the People article appears to be that this kid, after having made a really stupid decision to get a girl pregnant while still in high school, took responsibility for his actions and was trying to do everything to make a better life for his daughter. Is it a sad story? Yes, for many reasons. This is not glorifying the mistakes, but rather pointing out someone who at least tried to do the right thing after making mistakes.

There are countless studies that show it is much better for the children when parents graduate from school before having children and when parents get married after graduating and before getting pregnant rather than making the mistakes this kid made. These studies, and comments about them, raise very valid points in a discussion on issues of poverty and teen pregancy. But in a thread about the very sad loss of a kid who was trying to get it right, such comments -- no matter how VALID they may be -- are insensitive and inappropriate, and come across as self-righteous and judgmental.

58 posted on 11/22/2005 7:54:40 AM PST by VRWCmember
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To: yellowdoghunter

"We" can do better than that if "we" were publishing magazines. I didn't make the decision to have his story published in People, they did.

Moral self-righteousness only goes so far in a world like the one this young man lived in. Glad to see your world is different than this young man's.

That being said, here is a young kid who makes a mistake, has a beautiful daughter as a result of that "mistake" and you know what?

He takes responsibility for his "mistake". He keeps going to school so he can finish his education. He gets a job so he can support his daughter instead of welfare. To me those are the basic tenets that the People article were/are trying to get across.

SZ


59 posted on 11/22/2005 7:54:45 AM PST by SZonian (Tagline???? I don't need no stinkin' tagline!)
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To: SZonian

I'm just saying kids should be taught to NOT do something that they (or their children) will regret. Wouldn't it be better if the parents were ready (as in married) to have children?


61 posted on 11/22/2005 7:54:57 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: marvlus
No not perfect....but we as a society need to STOP glorifying bad behavior.

Ya know, when people like us used to speak out against abortion, homosexuality, etc....we were called "holier-than-thou types, etc....just like some on this board are doing now. Even though now it is "okay" to be pro-life, etc...

Things are either right or wrong...we can't have it both ways like the liberals do and say everything is okay. Everything is NOT okay.

I pray this child finds a loving, two-parent home to be raised in.

62 posted on 11/22/2005 7:54:57 AM PST by yellowdoghunter (Liberals should be seen and not heard.)
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To: yellowdoghunter
This is a sad story but he should have NEVER be lauded in People Magazine for making mistakes that will effect this child and society for a long time to come.

Oh yes, let's not present the stories of someone who has overcome his mistakes and is showing complete love for his daughter.

Just think if more people had spoken out in the past about this sort of thing being wrong...

I imagine when the situation happened a lot of his family and her family called it wrong. But it seems he stepped up and took responsibility. God can and will use situations that we may not understand to bring about His will. And believe it or not, and this will come as a shock to your tender sensibilities, some of those situations may include families that aren't two parent homes.

63 posted on 11/22/2005 7:55:46 AM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: SZonian

I read it. I think it is great the guy was doing what he could to recover from making a mistake. I don't think he should be lauded as a hero.

Before anyone calls me holier than thou, I am just like him. I made choices that were immoral, and I am doing what I can to do right with the results. I don't think I should be lauded.

Although many of my heroes have made mistakes, they are my heroes for the things they did right, no the things they did wrong.


64 posted on 11/22/2005 7:56:57 AM PST by Sensei Ern (Now, IB4Z! http://trss.blogspot.com/ "Cowards cut and run. Heroes never do!")
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To: ncountylee
The August issue of People profiled Pough, who worked as the night manger at a local restaurant while attending school full-time and raising his daughter, Diamond, who will be 2 on Nov. 27.

Diamond, who had full-custody of his daughter, had planned to work in construction after graduating next June.

That's a confusing pair of sentences. Is the daughter's name Diamond Diamond?

65 posted on 11/22/2005 7:57:15 AM PST by cruiserman
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To: mlc9852
I wonder what some of them on this thread will say if and I say IF we learn that he was involved in some nefarious activities that helped lead to his death?

All I know for sure is that 40 years of people being afraid to "cast the first stone" has lead America down a path that has practically destroyed the family.

66 posted on 11/22/2005 7:58:18 AM PST by yellowdoghunter (Liberals should be seen and not heard.)
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To: mlc9852

In a perfect world yes! However, as you well know, it's not a perfect world. There appears to have been some good in this young man as he took responsibility for his actions and was doing what appears to be everything in his power to take care of his daughter.

I don't condone of his premarital sex, but I do condone of his behavior and actions after his daughter was born. He stepped up to the plate bigtime.

SZ


67 posted on 11/22/2005 8:00:31 AM PST by SZonian (Tagline???? I don't need no stinkin' tagline!)
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To: ncountylee; Salvation; NYer; Faith; trussell

Prayers from TX


68 posted on 11/22/2005 8:01:09 AM PST by TXBSAFH ("I would rather be a free man in my grave then living as a puppet or a slave." - Jimmy Cliff)
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To: A message
What is a "night manger"?

He is the graveyard ( midnight to 8am) shift manager at a restaurant probably like Denny's or IHOP.

WRONG... a 'night manger' is where you go to lay your head at night when the NO VACANCY sign is lit...

69 posted on 11/22/2005 8:02:55 AM PST by CommandoFrank (Peer into the depths of hell and there you will find the face of Islam...)
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To: misterrob

You are obviously missing the point. No one is saying he didn't do the right thing - just if he hadn't (and the girl) made a big mistake to begin with, then this situation wouldn't exist. Sounds as if you are taking this a little to personally for some reason.


70 posted on 11/22/2005 8:03:14 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: ncountylee
May your soul be at peace with God, Terrell.



What a tragic waste. I feel so much for his Daughter.
71 posted on 11/22/2005 8:04:33 AM PST by reagan_fanatic (Darwinism is a belief in the meaninglessness of existence - R. Kirk)
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To: cruiserman

DO you know who Dustin Diamond is? I wonder if they are related.


72 posted on 11/22/2005 8:04:41 AM PST by Sensei Ern (Now, IB4Z! http://trss.blogspot.com/ "Cowards cut and run. Heroes never do!")
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To: CommandoFrank

:-)


73 posted on 11/22/2005 8:04:58 AM PST by A message
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To: Ninian Dryhope

His marital status probably wouldn't have kept him from being murdered. Give credit where credit is due. He was a young man and was taking responsibility. Until I become perfect, which I sadly don't see happening any time soon, what right have I to condemn others' mistakes if they take responsibility for them?


74 posted on 11/22/2005 8:04:59 AM PST by twigs
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To: Abathar

Maybe. Discount everything you read in the papers. Reporters tend to fictionaize.


75 posted on 11/22/2005 8:04:59 AM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: ncountylee

Sad.


76 posted on 11/22/2005 8:05:29 AM PST by GOPJ (The costs of launching an attack on America is high - antiwar dems are working to change that)
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To: mlc9852
No one is saying he didn't do the right thing - just if he hadn't (and the girl) made a big mistake to begin with, then this situation wouldn't exist.

Exactly!

And like I said above....will be interesting to see what the police have to say about the killing...they say they have some leads.

77 posted on 11/22/2005 8:05:31 AM PST by yellowdoghunter (Liberals should be seen and not heard.)
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To: VRWCmember

I just rather see some positive attention to those kids who do the right thing, that's all I'm saying. And I would think the black community, with the out-of-wedlock birthrate skyrocketing, would be telling kids this is NOT how to do it.


78 posted on 11/22/2005 8:05:35 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: yellowdoghunter

You nailed it.


79 posted on 11/22/2005 8:05:57 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: American_Centurion
I was reading some other articles and it is being reported by police that Pough was shot in the back of the head execution style. Weird...

Now, if one was to get killed in a bad neighborhood by being in the wrong place in the wrong time I might expect that the person would be killed in a robbery or car jacking, or some other scuffle, not execution style...I'll give the man the benefit of the doubt but since the original write up was in People magazine, I'm skeptical...There's more to the story here...

80 posted on 11/22/2005 8:06:53 AM PST by frogjerk (LIBERALISM - Being miserable for no good reason)
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To: Ninian Dryhope
His daughter would have been better off is he would have waited to conceive her after he had graduated from high school, got a steady job, and married her mother. There is a reason for the old fashion way of doing things. It works.

Well arent you perfect... *rolling eyes*

81 posted on 11/22/2005 8:07:29 AM PST by smith288 (Peace at all cost makes for tyranny free of charge...)
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To: American_Centurion
Not automatically.

Anyone who works a nightshift at a small business in West Philadelphia runs a good risk of being robbed or shot.

Many graveyard shift convenience store clerks will be shot to death this year - does that mean they were in the drug trade?

82 posted on 11/22/2005 8:08:54 AM PST by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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To: mlc9852

It's not a glorification of his mistakes. It's approval of his decision to right those mistakes and take responsibility for them.


83 posted on 11/22/2005 8:09:54 AM PST by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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To: smith288
I see we have another one who is afraid to distinguish between right and wrong. Afraid to "cast the first stone".

ya know, that is what is wrong with America and why our families are falling apart. People afraid to speak up about what is right and what is wrong.

Just think if people had spoken up 40 years ago?

I would read a little further into the discussion....there might be more to his killing than a random act of violence.

84 posted on 11/22/2005 8:11:01 AM PST by yellowdoghunter (Liberals should be seen and not heard.)
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To: cruiserman
That's a confusing pair of sentences. Is the daughter's name Diamond Diamond?

Actually, I think it is poor editing or lazy reporting or bad writing.

Terrell Pough was shot in the head on his way home from work Thursday night and later died at Temple University Hospital, the Philadelphia Inquirer reported....

The August issue of People profiled Pough, who worked as the night manger at a local restaurant while attending school full-time and raising his daughter, Diamond, who will be 2 on Nov. 27.

Diamond, (should read Pough), who had full-custody of his daughter, had planned to work in construction after graduating next June.

The daughter's name would be Diamond Pough.

85 posted on 11/22/2005 8:11:34 AM PST by VRWCmember
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To: Sensei Ern

Mary Magdalene "made a mistake". The woman taken in adultery made a mistake. St Peter made a number of mistakes. Yet Jesus loved them and forgave when they chose to follow the right road.
Why are you less forgiving?


86 posted on 11/22/2005 8:12:07 AM PST by born in the Bronx
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To: wideawake
What if and I say IF we find out he was involved in some nefarious activities that helped lead to his death? Will that change your mind?

Are we then allowed to call wrong, wrong, and right, right?

87 posted on 11/22/2005 8:12:24 AM PST by yellowdoghunter (Liberals should be seen and not heard.)
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To: yellowdoghunter
He was doing something that most people consider impossible - a young black man taking responsibility for the child he fathered, working, getting an education and trying to be a good parent.

There are two or three million young men in this country who need to do what he did but decide not to do it.

He was leading the way to a better reality.

88 posted on 11/22/2005 8:12:29 AM PST by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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To: frogjerk; wideawake

He may not necessarily have been working in the drug trade NOW. But he had skeletons in his closet, young men DO NOT consider mortality until it stares them in the face. He knew something was coming, for his current affairs or recent past.

I'm sorry but I don't grant "benefit of the doubt" to anyone I don't personally know. I may be wrong from time to time, but it does no harm, because my personal judgements do not carry the force of law.


89 posted on 11/22/2005 8:16:06 AM PST by American_Centurion (A liberal is a socialist who isn't quite willing to get blood on his hands yet. -KarlInOhio)
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To: wideawake
I will wait to hear what the police find out. There is more to this story than is being told.

Prayers for this little girl...I pray she finds a loving, stable, two-parent home to be raised in.

But after 40 years of people being afraid to "cast the first stone" or call evil, evil and good, good,...I don't hold out much hope, especially in the inner cities.

90 posted on 11/22/2005 8:16:14 AM PST by yellowdoghunter (Liberals should be seen and not heard.)
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To: yellowdoghunter
I see we have another one who is afraid to distinguish between right and wrong. Afraid to "cast the first stone".

Good Lord... Do you ever stop?

Are you on some "God hates Fags" type of crusade against people who have made sinful mistakes?

Trust me, you are doing more harm for the Christian cause (me being one, Southern Baptist to be precise) than helping when you point at peoples flaws when yours flaws are equally, if not more noticable.

Its my judgement that Jesus would not use a story such as this to promote a sinless life. His "casting of the first stone" would be done prior to the tragedy yet he would praise the man for taking the responsibility and showing courage to be a man.

But by all means Mr Pharisee, continue to judge others. It is only you who will have to answer to God for the actions you take here on Earth.

91 posted on 11/22/2005 8:17:55 AM PST by smith288 (Peace at all cost makes for tyranny free of charge...)
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To: yellowdoghunter
Who the hell are we to sit in judgment on this young man? He was a 16 years old when the girl was born and instead of acting like a kid about it, he did what a man should do. Maybe he should have let the kid become a ward of the state? Maybe he should have sold drugs or maybe conspired with the kid's mother to get welfare?

You can judge him all you want to but prepared to be judged yourself for being self righteous which I think the Lord would consider a sin in its own right.
92 posted on 11/22/2005 8:19:02 AM PST by misterrob
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To: born in the Bronx

Like I said, many of my heroes made mistakes. But they are not my heroes for their mistakes.

How do you know it was Mary Magdalene? The Bible does not say it was her. THe woman who was taken in adultery is not honored for being a harlot. She is honored for her service to Christ.

Peter isn't glorified for denying Christ, is he? No.


93 posted on 11/22/2005 8:19:16 AM PST by Sensei Ern (Now, IB4Z! http://trss.blogspot.com/ "Cowards cut and run. Heroes never do!")
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To: yellowdoghunter
You seem a little confused.

He did wrong to get a woman pregnant without marrying her.

He did right to take responsibility for the consequences of his immoral action.

There will be more rejoicing for the sheep that was lost than for the 99 who were not.

If he was involved in "nefarious" activities then clearly he did not take full responsibility for his mistakes and actually chose to commit new wrongdoings.

That's just an if, however, and it is in itself wrong to assume that he was.

94 posted on 11/22/2005 8:22:31 AM PST by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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To: smith288

He'd have the Prodigal Son shot if he had his druthers.


95 posted on 11/22/2005 8:23:18 AM PST by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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To: kstewskis
"His daughter would have been better off is he would have waited to conceive her after he had graduated from high school, got a steady job, and married her mother. There is a reason for the old fashion way of doing things. It works.
And had he married the mother, kept a steady job (in which, it sounds like he already had)...how would this have prevented him from getting shot in the head on his way home from work?

Are you one of those people who feel that guns are the problem and should be taken away, and not the person behind the gun?

Yours was a very self centered, judgemental, and arrogant statement. Here, you may toss the first stone now."

Not to mention that he is now dead. If he would have waited any longer to conceive then she would not have been born.
96 posted on 11/22/2005 8:23:26 AM PST by todd1
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To: mlc9852

A little girl lost her father. A father that wanted to be a part of her life. Despite the options to not be responsible he took the hard road and that took some courage. For people to say that the child even being here was a mistake and judging him for it is so unbelievably bankrupt I don't know where to begin.


97 posted on 11/22/2005 8:24:11 AM PST by misterrob
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To: Sensei Ern

Correction. You said Mary Madgalene made mistaakes, but you did not say she was the one taken in adultery.

There, I made a mistake and took the correct action by admitting my mistake. Call People so they can write an article.


98 posted on 11/22/2005 8:24:26 AM PST by Sensei Ern (Now, IB4Z! http://trss.blogspot.com/ "Cowards cut and run. Heroes never do!")
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To: smith288
WOW! You mean Jesus would have told this guy what he was doing was wrong? His "casting of the first stone" would be done prior to the tragedy

How can you say that? I thought you thought nothing is wrong or bad?

Anyway, will it change your mind if you find out he was involved in some nefarious activities that lead to his death? Probably not, cause it is all good with you, right?

I will wait to see what the police find out.

I pray this child find a loving, stable, two-parent home to be raised in.

Too bad people didn't speak up more forcefully 40 years ago about morality and right and wrong and we probably wouldn't have these prevailing situations....but then again they had people like you shouting at them that they were "holier than thou types, etc,....

99 posted on 11/22/2005 8:25:35 AM PST by yellowdoghunter (Liberals should be seen and not heard.)
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To: wideawake

BTW...I am a lady....


100 posted on 11/22/2005 8:26:51 AM PST by yellowdoghunter (Liberals should be seen and not heard.)
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