Kansas Prof. Apologizes for E-Mail [referred to religious conservatives as "fundies" ....]

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[furball4paws]

Sometimes things come out better than you plan.

[furball4paws]

Oops I got the color wrong - it's the red crescent not green.

[Heartlander]

Go look...

And don’t forget to get the shirt:

[PatrickHenry]

Yet another ID course is being offered, this one at Knox College, a liberal arts college in Galesburg, Illinois:
Intelligent Design: Course will evolve on student interest.

[ml1954]

I went through most of the sign-up as a test. I quit at the point I thought I'd have to be dishonest to try to get in. IMO, a lie (telling the owner why you want to be in the listserv) would be required to get into this group of only 108, if you were not like minded.

If you consider lying to be okay to gain access to what is intended to be confidential correspondence, then I guess you can consider his email to be public record.

In any case, he was stupid to post what he did where he did because dishonest people could fairly easily gain access to it. Dishonest people can gain access to my emails, my mail, and everything I've ever written down and didn't destroy, but it would be more difficult.

And, BTW, I'm not an aethiest or agnostic, so I won't be getting the shirt.

[AndrewC]

Somehow, I think you're saying that for purely partisan reasons.

Well you are entitled to your opinion, as I am mine, which still is that he sounds like the Wendy's finger lady. 40 suits is in the haberdashery range.

[AndrewC]

I understand your need to salvage something here :)

Not that I needed to salvage anything but that would be a bit more than you have. The guy is an admitted failure in his field.

[AndrewC]

What does any of this have to do with involuntarily losing one's license. Board certification is a nice credential and is required to practice an many hospitals, but lacking it has nothing to do with having a medical license, and it has nothing to do with losing a lawsuit.

It did in this case. He sued for libel and lost. Plus he is an admitted failure in his field. I really doubt he was used as an expert in his field of psychiatry(in which by his failure gives evidence of his non-expertise) but in a field apart from his training. And let me remind you aspirin's origins are from "herbal teas" not a drug company's labs.

[Heartlander]

If you consider lying to be okay to gain access to what is intended to be confidential correspondence, then I guess you can consider his email to be public record.

What are you saying? Because I posted his Email I am a liar? Be specific…

The liar is inescapably concerned with truth-values. In order to invent a lie at all, he must think he knows what is the truth. And in order to invent an effective lie, he must design his falsehood under the guidance of truth…

The word sh*t does, to be sure, suggest this. Excrement is not designed or crafted at all; it is merely emitted or dumped. It may have a more or less coherent shape, or it may not, but it is in any case not wrought.
-On Bullshit by Harry G. Frankfurt

IMHO, these two simple quotes sum up this whole debate. Sh*t is not designed – and I do not think anyone would look for truth from sh*t. But for anyone to demand that no ‘design’ was required for intelligence, they must rely on something to form their truth to counter accusations that contradict their philosophy from… basically sh*t.

Seriously, think about it… No intelligent design in our very being? Where does this leave us and who is rolling over into - mythology?

BTW, I got the Email from here … A forum with agnostics who still see ID as a plausible cause… And I merely posted the source that the original Email came from…

[Senator Bedfellow]

His field? You mean medicine? Looks to me like he practiced as a licensed physician for many years until he retired. No history of disciplinary action against him, commendations from the FDA, formerly affiliated with Penn State. Oh, yes - an obvious "failure in his field". LOL.

[AndrewC]

His field? You mean medicine?

I take it you go to a psychiatrist for chest pains. Good luck.

Professional Experience

• Chief, Psychiatric Service, Scott Air Force Base Hospital, Illinois, 8/61-7/63
• Psychiatrist, San Francisco Juvenile Court, 7/63-8/67
• Psychiatrist, San Francisco Child Psychiatry Clinic, 7/63-1/66
• Private practice of psychiatry, 8/63-12/93
• Consultant, San Francisco Department of Welfare, 8/64-7/65
• Consultant, school nurses, San Francisco Public Health Department, 8/65-12/65
• Consultant, Parks Job Corps Camp, 12/65-1/66
• Psychiatrist, Center For Special Problems, 2/66-8/67
• Consultant, San Francisco Adult Probation Department, 8/66-8/67
• Staff Psychiatrist, Allentown State Hospital, 9/67-7/77
• Consultant, Pa. Board of Probation and Parole (research project), 11/67-2/69
• Consultant, Lehigh Valley Mental Health Association, 12/67-2/69
• Consultant, Lutheran Children's Home, 2/68-6/72
• Psychiatrist, Allentown Hospital Psychiatric Clinic, 4/68-6/90
• Consultant, Pastoral Institute of the Lehigh Valley, 11/68-1/71
• Consultant, Allentown Counseling Center for Alcoholism, 6/69-6/72
• Consultant, Lehigh University Centennial School, 1/70-3/77
• Psychiatrist, Muhlenberg Medical Center Psychiatric Clinic, 6/71-6/86
• Medical Director, Haven House (partial hospitalization program), 8/76-6/87
• Consultant, Allentown Police Department (evaluation of police candidates), 8/80-3/85
• Medical Director, NewVitae Partial Hospitalization Program, 8/90-3/91

[ml1954]

What are you saying? Because I posted his Email I am a liar?

I never said posting his email made someone a liar. The liar, IMO, is whoever lied to gain access to the original on the listserv.

[Senator Bedfellow]

You are aware, I assume, that a psychiatrist is a medical doctor, correct?

[AndrewC]

You are aware, I assume, that a psychiatrist is a medical doctor, correct?

And he would pop into your mind whenever you had chest pains?

[Senator Bedfellow]

So "doctor" = "someone you call when you have chest pains"? Huh? Do you call a cardiologist when your back hurts?

[AndrewC]

o you call a cardiologist when your back hurts?

Depends where, but I wouldn't call a psychiatrist. That is nowhere near his field of expertise(if any in the case of the self-admitted board failure Barrett)

[Heartlander]

So the person that posted his original Email in a public forum is a liar? I just want to narrow down who you believe is this ‘liar’… Furthermore you obviously know the media has had the full Email from the beginning… Hence the article…

[Senator Bedfellow]

Well, I say that a doctor is someone you call when your back hurts. I guess your cardiologist isn't really practicing medicine either.

[ml1954]

So the person that posted his original Email in a public forum is a liar?

I repeat....The liar, IMO, is whoever lied to gain access to the original on the listserv.

[AndrewC]

Well, I say that a doctor is someone you call when your back hurts. I guess your cardiologist isn't really practicing medicine either.

Well, I know that is what you might think since apparently you would call a psychiatrist for chest pains.(Angina can be felt in the back, the chin, the elbow etc. that is known as referred pain)