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Intelligent Design Might Be Meeting Its Maker
The New York Times ^ | December 4, 2005 | LAURIE GOODSTEIN

Posted on 12/03/2005 5:28:45 PM PST by Right Wing Professor

TO read the headlines, intelligent design as a challenge to evolution seems to be building momentum.

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Behind the headlines, however, intelligent design as a field of inquiry is failing to gain the traction its supporters had hoped for. It has gained little support among the academics who should have been its natural allies. And if the intelligent design proponents lose the case in Dover, there could be serious consequences for the movement's credibility.

On college campuses, the movement's theorists are academic pariahs, publicly denounced by their own colleagues. Design proponents have published few papers in peer-reviewed scientific journals.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


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The article says that the Templeton Foundation gave them a few grants for conferences and courses to debate intelligent design, but then asked for research proposals, and nothing came in. It hasn't caught on even in Christian colleges, because it has no explanatory power. Several faculty from such colleges are quoted as saying it doesn't belong in science class. And the biggest blow -- the Dover verdict -- is yet to fall.

Sounds like you can stick a fork in ID, because it's done.

1 posted on 12/03/2005 5:28:46 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: Right Wing Professor; PatrickHenry

More a death knell than a ping.


2 posted on 12/03/2005 5:29:41 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: Right Wing Professor

I'm glad to see you consider the New York Times to be a reputable source on this or any other topic.

Like you, they are desperate not to lose Darwin's exclusive monopoly on our school children.

Funny that those who are interested in ID are perfectly happy to have Darwin taught in the schools, but Darwinists simply can't brook any competition.


3 posted on 12/03/2005 5:32:26 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Right Wing Professor

An obituary from the NYT - and just wishful thinking.

Darwin converted few scientists of his generation. It will be the same with ID. The Darwinian fundamentalist profs won't convert - but the next generation already has.

Darwinian fundamentalism - you can stick a fork in it.


4 posted on 12/03/2005 5:33:16 PM PST by Liberty1970
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To: Right Wing Professor

ID is as phony as the ID I had as a college frosh.


5 posted on 12/03/2005 5:33:25 PM PST by Senator Pardek
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To: Right Wing Professor

Wow. From the NYT. I'm impressed.


6 posted on 12/03/2005 5:34:15 PM PST by manwiththehands (Democrats and the MSM: lies and hypocrisy on steroids)
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To: Right Wing Professor
Donkeys Can Talk, People Can Fly, And A Man Named Jesus Lives Up In The Sky!


7 posted on 12/03/2005 5:36:07 PM PST by peyton randolph (Warning! It is illegal to fatwah a camel in all 50 states)
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To: Right Wing Professor
It has gained little support among the academics who should have been its natural allies.

Well, of course not. You would have to be intelligent to understand intelligent design and liberal leaning academies require all inductees to check their brains at the door.

"Shut up und drink ze koolade!"

8 posted on 12/03/2005 5:36:32 PM PST by Juan Medén
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To: Cicero
There is no scientific competition.

What's next? Are we going to teach young earth creationism in schools as well?

9 posted on 12/03/2005 5:37:19 PM PST by jess35
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To: Right Wing Professor

YEC INTREP


10 posted on 12/03/2005 5:38:26 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America)
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To: Right Wing Professor
A triumph of bigotry over honest, thoughtful science?

You'll do your damnedest.

11 posted on 12/03/2005 5:38:29 PM PST by JCEccles
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To: Right Wing Professor
More a death knell than a ping.

Yeah, but it's the weekend, and news is slow. Also, the NYT is MSM, and if they're onto the subject, we need to know it. You know they'll spin it as an anti-conservitive issue. I'm cranking up the ping machine ...

12 posted on 12/03/2005 5:39:39 PM PST by PatrickHenry (No response if you're a troll, lunatic, dotard, common scold, or incurable ignoramus.)
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13 posted on 12/03/2005 5:40:03 PM PST by ThreePuttinDude ()......Politically incorrect by Intelligent Design........()
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To: VadeRetro; Junior; longshadow; RadioAstronomer; Doctor Stochastic; js1138; Shryke; RightWhale; ...
Evolution Ping

The List-O-Links
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See the list's explanation, then FReepmail to be added or dropped.
To assist beginners: But it's "just a theory", Evo-Troll's Toolkit,
and How to argue against a scientific theory.

14 posted on 12/03/2005 5:41:01 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, common scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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15 posted on 12/03/2005 5:41:35 PM PST by ThreePuttinDude ()......Politically incorrect by Intelligent Design........()
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To: Right Wing Professor
Sounds like you can stick a fork in ID, because it's done.

Never fear, it'll morph into something with a new name, a few more bells and whistles, a little better window dressing and camouflage, and they'll trot her out again like she's a debutante at the coming out ball, instead of the tired old tarted-up hag she really is.

16 posted on 12/03/2005 5:45:08 PM PST by longshadow
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To: Cicero
Like you, they are desperate not to lose Darwin's exclusive monopoly on our school children.

That's because evolution is based upon actual science and belongs in science classrooms.

Funny that those who are interested in ID are perfectly happy to have Darwin taught in the schools, but Darwinists simply can't brook any competition.

No, the ID crowd and other anti-science groups have been working hard to eliminate evolution and by extension, any other science facet that might threaten their narrow minded fanatic version of the Bible from science classrooms - hence the court battles against science in Kansas and Ohio.

BTW - there is no such thing as a Darwinist. That's more inaccurate than calling someone who recognizes that jets fly a "Bernoulli-ist" or that a multistage rocket was capable of reaching the moon a "von-Braunist."

There are those who are educated in science and those whose ignorant fear propels them against it.

17 posted on 12/03/2005 5:45:59 PM PST by Ophiucus
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To: jess35

hat's next? Are we going to teach young earth creationism in schools as well?



They already teach fisting....but you're not complaining there.


18 posted on 12/03/2005 5:49:34 PM PST by JudgemAll (Condemn me, make me naked and kill me, or be silent for ever on my gun ownership and law enforcement)
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To: Right Wing Professor

to tell you the truth, I'm partial to all out creationism myself. Call it like it is "God created the world"
I've never heard any other explanation that makes sense.


19 posted on 12/03/2005 5:52:15 PM PST by whispering out loud (the bible is either 100% true, or in it's very nature it is 100% a lie)
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Help for new visitors to the evolution debate
Another service of Darwin Central, the conspiracy that cares.

If you're interested in learning about evolution, visit The List-O-Links.
If you're serious about debating this issue, see How to argue against a scientific theory.
If you're permanently stuck on stupid, but determined to post anyway, use the Evolution Troll's Toolkit.

20 posted on 12/03/2005 5:52:29 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, common scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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