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Intelligent Design Might Be Meeting Its Maker
The New York Times ^ | December 4, 2005 | LAURIE GOODSTEIN

Posted on 12/03/2005 5:28:45 PM PST by Right Wing Professor

TO read the headlines, intelligent design as a challenge to evolution seems to be building momentum.

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Behind the headlines, however, intelligent design as a field of inquiry is failing to gain the traction its supporters had hoped for. It has gained little support among the academics who should have been its natural allies. And if the intelligent design proponents lose the case in Dover, there could be serious consequences for the movement's credibility.

On college campuses, the movement's theorists are academic pariahs, publicly denounced by their own colleagues. Design proponents have published few papers in peer-reviewed scientific journals.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


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KEYWORDS: crevolist; evochat; intelligentdesign
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To: Right Wing Professor
Well, I'm not a big pusher of ID because I homeschool and teach my children Biblical truth. But don't gloat so quickly, my Godless friend. ID, I think, was only developed to demonstrate the weakness of Darwinism. And in that, it has succeeded brilliantly. It's proponents have shown that the same attacks on it (it's not really science because it's not falsifiable, it's a philosophy rather than science, etc.) also apply to evolution. You may think you are winning, but I believe you have already lost.

And, BTW, our homeschool has Darwin as required reading. We're not afraid of the debate.

Let the name-calling begin . . .

21 posted on 12/03/2005 5:52:32 PM PST by Timmy
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To: peyton randolph

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!


22 posted on 12/03/2005 5:52:58 PM PST by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: Right Wing Professor

ID came about from research done in the EU and the US by atheists who, when they found out some formulas, were branded religionists. Check the work by D'Ambricour

Also called Evolution through Stochastic processes with strange attractor.

The weather, trees and everything in nature obtains its order from such differential equations...but also evolutive patterns seem to be preprogrammed


23 posted on 12/03/2005 5:54:18 PM PST by JudgemAll (Condemn me, make me naked and kill me, or be silent for ever on my gun ownership and law enforcement)
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To: Right Wing Professor

Good. That which kills ID will only make conservatism stronger.


24 posted on 12/03/2005 5:55:36 PM PST by RightWingAtheist (Free the Crevo Three!)
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To: Timmy
Let the name-calling begin . . .

Good screen name selection.

25 posted on 12/03/2005 5:55:52 PM PST by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: Ophiucus
No, the ID crowd and other anti-science groups have been working hard to eliminate evolution and by extension, any other science facet that might threaten their narrow minded fanatic version of the Bible from science classrooms - hence the court battles against science in Kansas and Ohio.

You mischaracterize the Kansas (and probably Ohio also)debate. Because you are misinformed or misleading?

26 posted on 12/03/2005 5:55:57 PM PST by Timmy
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To: peyton randolph

Landover Baptist is an anti-Christian satire site. It is the equivalent of citing a report on "Christian Hate Crimes" from the ACLU.


27 posted on 12/03/2005 5:56:28 PM PST by Killborn (Pres. Bush isn't Pres. Reagan. Then again, Pres. Regan isn't Pres. Washington. God bless them all.)
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To: JudgemAll

28 posted on 12/03/2005 5:56:59 PM PST by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: balrog666

Differential equations are not a myth.


29 posted on 12/03/2005 5:58:50 PM PST by JudgemAll (Condemn me, make me naked and kill me, or be silent for ever on my gun ownership and law enforcement)
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To: Right Wing Professor

Sounds like you can stick a fork in ID, because it's done.

It never even got into the oven among the scientific community. For once in my life the MSM may be an ally (it makes me sick, BTW). By painting ID for what it is, it may get the movers and shakers in the GOP to quitely walk away from it. At least that's what I hope.

30 posted on 12/03/2005 5:59:10 PM PST by ml1954 (NOT the disruptive troll seen frequently on CREVO threads)
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To: peyton randolph
We already knew donkeys (or to me precise, asses) can talk:

We just wish they'd shut up.

31 posted on 12/03/2005 5:59:13 PM PST by RightWingAtheist (Free the Crevo Three!)
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To: longshadow
Never fear, it'll morph into something with a new name, a few more bells and whistles, a little better window dressing and camouflage, and they'll trot her out again like she's a debutante at the coming out ball, instead of the tired old tarted-up hag she really is.

Like Madonna?

32 posted on 12/03/2005 6:00:32 PM PST by RightWingAtheist (Free the Crevo Three!)
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To: Right Wing Professor

The most disturbing aspect about this debate is the rabid desire of evolution proponents to ridicule and otherwise attempt to marginalize those who would dare to question them.


33 posted on 12/03/2005 6:01:23 PM PST by Cinnamon Girl (OMGIIHIHOIIC ping list)
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To: Right Wing Professor

Dear "Right Wing Professor,"

Intelligent Design is a good as proven, and anyone with any common sense knows it. But "professors" are notorious for lacking common sense.

The simplest living cell is perhaps more complicated than all of man's technology, yet you believe that it fell together by random chance. And based on what evidence? People who don't have a clue about combinatorics tout "billions of years," not realizing that it is about 1000 orders of magnitude too little. If you wish to educate yourself on the matter, I recommend you start with Lee Spetner's book, Not By Chance.

I am amazed that someone who calls himself "Right Wing Professor" could fail to realize that he is doing the work of the Left Wing. The Left just loves to ridicule ID and its believers because it plays right into their grand strategy for world domination. If and when they take control, they will owe no small debt of gratitude to fools on the Right who are playing right into their game plan. Have a nice day.


34 posted on 12/03/2005 6:02:22 PM PST by RussP
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To: Ophiucus
Kansas [new] Science Curriculum Standards, Standard 3 Benchmark 3 Indicators 1-7 (pg 75-77).

1) understands biological evolution, descent with modification, is a scientific explanation for the history of the diversification of organisms from common ancestors.

2) understands populations of organisms may adapt to environmental challenges and changes as a result of natural selection, genetic drift, and various mechanisms of genetic change.

3) understands biological evolution is used to explain the earth’s present day biodiversity: the number, variety and variability of organisms.

4) understands organisms vary widely within and between populations. Variation allows for natural selection to occur.

5) understands that the primary mechanism of evolutionary change (acting on variation) is natural selection.

6) understands biological evolution is used as a broad, unifying theoretical framework for biology.

7) explains proposed scientific explanations of the origin of life as well as scientific criticisms of those explanations.

This is what you're having a cow over?

35 posted on 12/03/2005 6:02:23 PM PST by Timmy
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To: Cicero
Darwinists simply can't brook any competition. On the contrary; science is very competitive. But ID is not science.
36 posted on 12/03/2005 6:02:54 PM PST by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: Killborn
an anti-Christian satire site. It is the equivalent of citing a report on "Christian Hate Crimes" from the ACLU.

Nope. Satire is ridicule to make a point. A report by the ACLU would be written without intentional satire.

And lest you think that satire is necessary, feel free to look at God's Ark, a Christian website that should be satire...but isn't.

37 posted on 12/03/2005 6:04:19 PM PST by peyton randolph (Warning! It is illegal to fatwah a camel in all 50 states)
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To: RightWingAtheist
We just wish they'd shut up.

Poor Al Franken...there are a few tacos missing from his Mexican combo platter.

38 posted on 12/03/2005 6:05:48 PM PST by peyton randolph (Warning! It is illegal to fatwah a camel in all 50 states)
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To: Right Wing Professor
It has gained little support among the academics who should have been its natural allies.

This is a ridicules assumption.

39 posted on 12/03/2005 6:07:07 PM PST by Jeff Gordon (Lt. Gen. Russel Honore to MSM: "You are stuck on stupid. Over.")
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To: RussP

"? People who don't have a clue about combinatorics tout "billions of years," not realizing that it is about 1000 orders of magnitude too little."

People who have NO clue about probability spout wildly improbable figures about the probabilities of processes they know nothing about.


40 posted on 12/03/2005 6:07:13 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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