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Mirecki hospitalized after beating (KU Relig. prof. who mocked religion)
Lawrence Journal World ^ | 12/05/05 | Ron Knox

Posted on 12/05/2005 8:13:08 PM PST by Will_Zurmacht

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To: wallcrawlr

No guy. Simply washing your hands of it won't get them clean. Only one side is advocating violence here. Only one. There is no moral equivalence.


241 posted on 12/06/2005 6:41:46 AM PST by Right Wing Professor (...overthrow the Dutch usurper, and restore the Jacobites!)
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To: wallcrawlr
This is one of those threads thats become an embarrasment to Fr.

We are in complete agreement here. Re - Chester et al.

Think what you want of me.

I do not think badly of you. Never have, never will. I don't agree with your positiopn on evolution, but that is already a given. :-)

242 posted on 12/06/2005 6:42:05 AM PST by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: Will_Zurmacht
"I’m mostly shaken up, and I got some bruises and sore spots," he said.

Much better than being beheaded.

243 posted on 12/06/2005 6:42:05 AM PST by A. Pole (The Law of Comparative Advantage: "Americans should not have children and should not go to college")
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To: DaveLoneRanger

I did read. And you don't see me doing much flaming.

I just wanted your opinion of that post.


244 posted on 12/06/2005 6:43:59 AM PST by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Dave, Dave, do mention that this was after you equated evolution with advocacy of pediophilia.


245 posted on 12/06/2005 6:44:34 AM PST by Right Wing Professor (...overthrow the Dutch usurper, and restore the Jacobites!)
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To: Right Wing Professor

Thanks for the clarification. :-)


246 posted on 12/06/2005 6:45:02 AM PST by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
Well, this is an interesting twist. Hopefully, the professor was not seriously injured, and since he was treated and released, it sounds like he wasn't. How sad that some frevolutionists are exploiting this man's injuries to promote their own agenda against creationists. These were no more agents of creationism than an abortion clinic bomber is an agent of the pro-life movement.

I'm disappointed that we haven't seen more condemnation of these morons from the creationist camp. Instead, we've seen lots of skepticism and holier-than-thous.

If this was faked, then the man ought to go to jail. And I'll lead the charge. If it wasn't, then all creationists need to come out loudly condemning these thugs.

If the creationists don't, they're no better than the "moderate Muslims" who say they decry the violence but won't actually raise a voice to stop it.

Time will tell. But if an arrest is made, or a perp identified, then I expect the creationists to apologize and loudly condemn the morons.

247 posted on 12/06/2005 6:54:24 AM PST by highball ("I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have." -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
You just can't stop gloating . . .

I take no pleasure in the physical pummeling of an ideological bubblehead. I am amused, however, at folks who are all puffed up with self-righteous indignation when their whole philosophy of life entails mere particles in motion due to unguided, unintelligent causes.

248 posted on 12/06/2005 6:55:18 AM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: OB1kNOb
It just goes to show ya that in this country we have free speech but you still have to pay for the consequences.

If violence is the consequence of speech, then it isn't "free." The Colonists had that "freedom" under the king.

249 posted on 12/06/2005 6:56:16 AM PST by highball ("I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have." -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Emmett McCarthy

"Who wants to take bets that this turns out to be phony?"

That was the first thought I had when I read the headline.

Our town supposedly had a rash of violence against peace protestors and Muslim property shortly after 9/11. Every incidence was phoney, or no evidence was found to back up the so called incidences.


250 posted on 12/06/2005 6:57:15 AM PST by Grampa Dave (NY / LA Slimes and Wash Compost charge subscribers for their lies about Iraq and the USA!)
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To: Boazo
You should ask for that post to be pulled. It doesn't reflect well on the board or the posters here.

Also, it makes you look like an idiot for misspelling "Christianized".

251 posted on 12/06/2005 7:01:13 AM PST by Senator Bedfellow (Sneering condescension.)
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To: highball

"Instead, we've seen lots of skepticism and holier-than-thous."

I don't see how skepticism is incompatible with condemnation. I think the majority would agree that if it did actually occur, it should be condemned. There are a sad few who seem to disagree, but I think that's what most of us think. It probably didn't happen (way too many red flags), but if it did, then the people responsible should be held accountable.

"But if an arrest is made, or a perp identified, then I expect the creationists to apologize and loudly condemn the morons."

I won't apologize, but I will (and am) loudly condemn any such behavior.


252 posted on 12/06/2005 7:03:18 AM PST by johnnyb_61820
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To: Fester Chugabrew
"I take no pleasure in the physical pummeling of an ideological bubblehead. "

Yes you do:

"Actually, what it looks like is that the position of all materialists and evolutionists is scientifically and morally bankrupt. Look, the guy lost a tooth. He was beaten severely. That proves beyond question evolutionists and materialists are plumb dumb and wrong. It also proves that you had best repent before the rest of us fundies don red baseball hats and wool gloves. Deal with it. Be sure to check the bushes outside before you go to sleep."http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1534152/posts?page=504#504

"I am amused, however, at folks who are all puffed up with self-righteous indignation when their whole philosophy of life entails mere particles in motion due to unguided, unintelligent causes."

Not our *whole philosophy of life*. That is a gross misrepresentation. Especially since most evolutionists are Christian.

I repeat: You gloated over the beating of someone. For a self-proclaimed Christian that makes you a hypocrite.
253 posted on 12/06/2005 7:09:04 AM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: Kermit the Frog Does theWatusi
“The right wing wants blood, period. They’re not going to stop until they see blood. They’re not into anything else,” he said. “Whatever I do, whatever I say, they don’t believe anything because that’s the way they are... I know what happened. I got the hell beat out of me. They can say what they want.”

Well, there you have it. I have to go with the Tawana Brawley-style delusional fantasy (i.e., lie). But if he was roughed up for heckling, so what? Maybe more of these wacko secular humanist bigots would watch themselves if they knew they had to put their money where their mouth is.

But the whole thing sounds like a gay bondage fantasy.
Maybe the Reverend Al Sharpton can represent him.


254 posted on 12/06/2005 7:11:02 AM PST by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: highball

Isn't it interesting, though, that the automatic assumption on your part is that, until saying otherwise, creationists support this? Of course creationists don't advocate violence. This is kind of a "DUH" thing.

What have you seen from me? Skepticism? Nope. Holier-than-thou? No. Address the people you feel are responsible for those attributes, not me.

It didn't even occur to me that the incident could have been faked. Perhaps I don't suspect vehemont anti-God professors as much as I should.

Perhaps you should observe some of the polite feedback I received from evolutionists on my profile, as well as the crown jewel in my gallery of insults -- from a creationist, no less -- when I asked him to be nice.

http://www.freerepublic.com/~DaveLoneRanger


255 posted on 12/06/2005 7:15:22 AM PST by DaveLoneRanger ("As He died to make men holy, let us die to make men free, while God is marching on.")
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse; Pharmboy
I'm on the fence on this one.

One minute I'm seeing fake grab for attention and a way to harm one's enemies in the process...
the next, I see the potential for those who don't 'get' what they're supposed to believe doing harm.

The only predisposing issue is that he did use terms of physical violence in his statements. Either he thinks in those terms and used it to his advantage, or it was used by those against him.
256 posted on 12/06/2005 7:17:05 AM PST by najida (People are often mirror images of the things they hate most.)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

You'll have to show where a fundamentalist on Free Republic says that "slavery is moral". If any-one tries to do that , the admins tend to boot those folk out quickly!


257 posted on 12/06/2005 7:21:54 AM PST by mdmathis6 (Proof against evolution:"Man is the only creature that blushes, or needs to" M.Twain)
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To: RadioAstronomer

If you are incapable of recognizing the phenomena of cause and effect in this case, I reckon you are also incapable of recognizing sarcasm. Why not be consistent yourself and attribute this event to a mere matter of course? No sense in becoming all indignant over a few rearranged molecules, right?


258 posted on 12/06/2005 7:25:53 AM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: mdmathis6
"You'll have to show where a fundamentalist on Free Republic says that "slavery is moral". If any-one tries to do that , the admins tend to boot those folk out quickly!"

Well, that is EXACTLY what one said here a little ways back, and he wasn't booted. As I don;t really want to bring that up again here (or have to ping him by naming him) I'll just leave it at that. Most of us were there when it happened, and it was repeated many times.
259 posted on 12/06/2005 7:25:59 AM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: najida
This guy sounds like he goes looking for trouble. If it happened, more than likely it was a road rage traffic altercation. How many of us have been tailgaited in traffic? Who pulls over and gets out of the car to confront an aggressive driver in a heated exchange? Is that how any of us would advise our children to handle such situations?

The guy is a kook! From his ranting, it sounds like he wanted it to happen and is just too glad to ham it up for the media.

260 posted on 12/06/2005 7:27:05 AM PST by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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