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Mirecki hospitalized after beating (KU Relig. prof. who mocked religion)
Lawrence Journal World ^ | 12/05/05 | Ron Knox

Posted on 12/05/2005 8:13:08 PM PST by Will_Zurmacht

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To: Emmett McCarthy

Hope you're right, because to think that someone would defend Christianity with violence like this is a stupid thing to do.


451 posted on 12/06/2005 12:10:38 PM PST by GOPPachyderm
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To: wallcrawlr

I think half the guys on the wall are retreads. Oh well, one cannot discriminate, especially when one lacks evidence...


452 posted on 12/06/2005 12:12:08 PM PST by Junior (From now on, I'll stick to science, and leave the hunting alien mutants to the experts!)
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To: GOPPachyderm

"Hope you're right, because to think that someone would defend Christianity with violence like this is a stupid thing to do."

Think of how stupid the average person you meet out there is.

Now realize that about half of them are even more stupid than that.


453 posted on 12/06/2005 12:12:35 PM PST by BeHoldAPaleHorse (MORE COWBELL! MORE COWBELL! (CLANK-CLANK-CLANK))
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

I see you hold your fellow man in high esteem. Doubtless you are at the top of the heap where intelligence, wisdom and general virtue are concerned. May I borrow your cincture?


454 posted on 12/06/2005 12:18:19 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Emmett McCarthy

I say it's a phony incident if you're keeping track.


455 posted on 12/06/2005 12:18:35 PM PST by The KG9 Kid (Semper Fi!)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

Come on, this is the First Church of Free Republic! The new creed: "Every knee shall bow, even if we have to break 'em ourselves..."

My apologies. Where are the knee-capping lessons being taught? I missed that part of the services on Sunday.


456 posted on 12/06/2005 12:18:44 PM PST by Sally Golightly
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To: Sally Golightly

"My apologies. Where are the knee-capping lessons being taught? I missed that part of the services on Sunday."

Just down the hall from the inter-confessional flame wars, behind the snake-handling room, but before you get to the coffee & doughnuts.


457 posted on 12/06/2005 1:04:44 PM PST by BeHoldAPaleHorse (MORE COWBELL! MORE COWBELL! (CLANK-CLANK-CLANK))
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To: Right Wing Professor; RadioAstronomer
Finally! This embarrassing thread's been moved to the backroom.
458 posted on 12/06/2005 1:05:49 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, common scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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To: Sally Golightly

Me neither.

It's called sarcasm, as should be obvious as the post responded to was clearly sarcastic, as well.


459 posted on 12/06/2005 1:10:35 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: PatrickHenry

Sanitized, too.


460 posted on 12/06/2005 1:12:20 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: kimosabe31

"Do you mean to tell me that as a Christian, you would not consider blowing up or otherwise killing mass murdering abortionist doctors in order to save the lives of innocent unborn infants?"

OK, so how many abortionists have you killed?


462 posted on 12/06/2005 1:34:03 PM PST by BeHoldAPaleHorse (MORE COWBELL! MORE COWBELL! (CLANK-CLANK-CLANK))
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To: furball4paws

Furball...great headlines but I think our learned "head of dept" professor self inflicted his damage in order to stage yet another attempt darwinian martyrdom.


463 posted on 12/06/2005 1:40:27 PM PST by kimosabe31
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To: kimosabe31

Bubblehead Mirecki does not deserve to be lowered to the level of genocidal tyrants, abortionists, and the like. Whackjobs like him ought simply to be left to stew in their terpitude. Harmless, hapless "educator."

His words about a "slap in the big fat face?" They were only rhetoric. They were metaphorical in the strictest sense and should not be taken out of context. Besides, he would never be caught wearing a red baseball cap, wearing wool gloves, or driving a big pick-up truck. He's better than all those "fundies" out there.


464 posted on 12/06/2005 1:50:46 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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What a Sickening, Disgusting Thread Placemarker
465 posted on 12/06/2005 2:08:18 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
OK, so how many abortionists have you killed?

I think the FBI should be asking him that.

466 posted on 12/06/2005 2:18:16 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: PatrickHenry

Note that all these responses are supported by the "Moderate Creationists" by their silence.


467 posted on 12/06/2005 2:22:56 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Dimensio

"I referenced three "Christian" creationist FReepers, not bloggers."

It's all blogging, man. How does that exactly change my point? You found some idiots. Congratulations! Have a cookie.


468 posted on 12/06/2005 2:24:37 PM PST by johnnyb_61820
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To: kimosabe31; Admin Moderator
"Do you mean to tell me that as a Christian, you would not consider blowing up or otherwise killing mass murdering abortionist doctors in order to save the lives of innocent unborn infants?...So often I hear you "knee jerk" moralists demean and condemn others who faced with the holocaust in our country, have the courage to go after abortionists at the sacrifice of their own lives and liberty in an effort to slow down or halt this brutal, cruel, sadistic practice. Tell me something MeanWest, what gives you the right to critize these people? What have you sacrificed for these little ones?" (post 461)

Is this an acceptable post here? I'm asking in all sincerity.
469 posted on 12/06/2005 2:27:05 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: kimosabe31

Jesus told them another parable: "The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field. But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away. When the wheat sprouted and formed heads, then the weeds also appeared.

"The owner's servants came to him and said, 'Sir, didn't you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?'

"'An enemy did this,' he replied.

"The servants asked him, 'Do you want us to go and pull them up?'

"'No,' he answered, 'because while you are pulling the weeds, you may root up the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.'"


470 posted on 12/06/2005 2:28:34 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: CarolinaGuitarman; RadioAstronomer; Right Wing Professor; PatrickHenry
Up until now, I have refrained commenting on this thread, mainly because I arrived late when it turned into the sort of vile hurtfulness I'd expect from the posters at Daily "screw'em" Kos, but not normally from FR. I will say that while I do believe that Mirecki's claims of having been beaten were legitimate, unless the thugs are caught, we have, at this moment, no information on their actual motivations, just speculation and, alas, exploitation. These sorts of early-morning thuggery are all too common, and having for the past six years lived in neighborhoods in close to proximity to bars, I am all too aware of such senseless violence, especially since I was a victim of such a beating earlier this summer. The creeps who beat me didn't do so because of my atheism, nor, as far as I know, was it racially motivated (I'm white; the guys who attacked me were black), because they said nothing that suggested so. Unless further press releases confirm that the @$$#oles that attacked Mirecki made taunts regarding his political or theological views, I will simply view Mirecki's situation as another case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time
471 posted on 12/06/2005 2:28:59 PM PST by RightWingAtheist (Free the Crevo Three!)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

It's obviously not acceptable; I presume he is either a truly sick person or a plant from the Democratic Underground.

My response to such silliness is above.


472 posted on 12/06/2005 2:30:06 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: Doctor Stochastic

Just please, don't confuse Creationist with Christians.

It's a bit like a Vehn (sp? Venn?) diagram. There may be some overlap, but not necessarily.

This Christian, for one, is disgusted by these idiots, regardless of whether this attack is real or faked.


473 posted on 12/06/2005 2:32:55 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: RightWingAtheist
I agree that I don't know if Mirecki is telling the truth. I am just amazed (sorta) by the glee that some are taking here at the possibility it is true. I am sure he is another left-wing wacko; that wouldn't make beating him up right for a few comments.
474 posted on 12/06/2005 2:33:15 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: RightWingAtheist
Mirecki did say that the thugs spoke of his statements on ID while they were beating him.

But they did nothing to him that hasn't been advocated previously on FR, with the full knowledge of the moderators, and celebrated by our resident Christians.

Sorry you were assaulted, BTW. I hope they got the guys.

475 posted on 12/06/2005 2:33:49 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: Right Wing Professor

They are Christians-in-Name-Only.

Nary a one of them reads or understands the scripture.

One of many admonitions (by Christ, himself, no less), against such self-help "weeding" is above.


476 posted on 12/06/2005 2:36:48 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: Right Wing Professor
Mirecki did say that the thugs spoke of his statements on ID while they were beating him.

How did they know who he was?

477 posted on 12/06/2005 2:37:38 PM PST by AmishDude (Your corporate slogan could be here! FReepmail me for my confiscatory rates.)
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To: Right Wing Professor

Thanks for the kind words, RWP. They may have finally caught the buttpipes responsible for my assault, but not after they robbed a few other law-abiding citizens. I will further note that there are plenty of Christians on FR who I have become friends with and are in all likelihood reading this thread while reaching for the dramanine.


478 posted on 12/06/2005 2:38:31 PM PST by RightWingAtheist (Free the Crevo Three!)
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To: MeanWestTexan

Well, I'll take your word for it, MWT. I'm just not in a very good mood with them right now.


479 posted on 12/06/2005 2:39:21 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: AmishDude
He says they did.

I'm not going to argue the plausibility of his story. I'm agnostic about it. Some things about it struck me as odd initially, but I read the discussion among the locals on the Lawrence paper, and now they seem less odd. What annoys me is the reaction here.

480 posted on 12/06/2005 2:41:32 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

Try talking your trash to a group from that Religion of peace you are trying to equate to Christianity, and you will quickly learn the difference. As if you don't already know the difference, of course.


481 posted on 12/06/2005 2:43:12 PM PST by F.J. Mitchell (Okay, bring our troops home. But don't feign suprise when the terrorists tag along.)
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To: Will_Zurmacht
[The sheriff’s department is looking for the suspects, described as two white males between ages 30 and 40, one wearing a red visor and wool gloves, and both wearing jeans. They were last seen in a large pickup truck.]


I would be willing to believe that the assailants were Christian fundamentalists angry at him for his public statements about them, except that the description doesn't fit what we all know about the Christian fundamentalists.

They would be described as "two white males with slack jaws and an insane look in their eyes, both wearing suits and ties, and carrying briefcases full of Bibles and anti-science literature, driving a pickup truck with a gun rack and a fish emblem and a 'Bush/Cheney' bumper sticker". And while they were beating him they would be yelling 'Let God sort it out!'.

I hope I don't need the sarcasm tag.
482 posted on 12/06/2005 2:44:03 PM PST by spinestein (All journalists today are paid advocates for someone's agenda.)
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483 posted on 12/06/2005 2:45:00 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Right Wing Professor
. . . celebrated by our resident Christians.

How would you know what a Christian is? Maybe you could trade that broad brush in for something a little more accurate. Or is it wishful thinking that drvies you to paint all Christians as complicit in this unwarranted assault? You were so anxious to paint my sarcastic response as gloating, I seriously question your capacity to approach the subject with anything more than a vitriol as deep as the fools who pugilized this bubblehead. Maybe you could trade that broad brush for a red baseball cap and a pair of woolen gloves.

484 posted on 12/06/2005 2:45:36 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: spinestein

LOL! No sarcasm tag needed. But we do need a little assistance in figuring out which side the sarcasm is aimed at-or is it aimed in both directions?


485 posted on 12/06/2005 2:49:05 PM PST by F.J. Mitchell (Okay, bring our troops home. But don't feign suprise when the terrorists tag along.)
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To: Fester Chugabrew

I think his was a response to Post 461. Clearly an overbroad brush, but understandable.

I am a Christian. Some of the dumbest and most vile people I have met are Christians, too. They are in the most need of Christ, I say.

What is particularly sad about this event, is this reeks of a fake attack like the "they-spraypainted-my-car" treat given to us by that absurd leftist professor just a short time ago.


486 posted on 12/06/2005 2:50:40 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: Fester Chugabrew
You are a self-proclaimed Christian, Fester. A guy who uses a violent assault by two of his co-religionists to post a gloating asinine idiotic smarmy fallacy about evolution.

You weren't being sarcastic. And if you weren't human refuse, you'd have known it wasn't the time or the place.

Now bugger off; you're on my ignore list, and I'd like to keep you there.

487 posted on 12/06/2005 2:51:04 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: MeanWestTexan
There have been a couple of posters who have been 'outed' posing as 'Christians'. Most likely the Moby Effect.

However, there have been some posters on the 'other side' who have handles of recent vintage, and who seem to jump in when the cr*p starts hurling about.

Anytime I see over-the-top comments, they tend to be a dead giveaway ( libs can't restrain themselves ).

488 posted on 12/06/2005 2:51:36 PM PST by Tench_Coxe
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To: Right Wing Professor

The Devil's best advocates are evil, idiot, Christians.


489 posted on 12/06/2005 2:52:09 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: MeanWestTexan
What is particularly sad about this event, is this reeks of a fake attack . . .

I tend to think it was a real attack by a couple overzealous fools.

490 posted on 12/06/2005 2:54:56 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Tench_Coxe

Fake posters are a real possibility, I agree.

Indeed, I would be surprised if that was not the case for many of the most over-the-top posts we see.


491 posted on 12/06/2005 2:55:39 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: F.J. Mitchell

"Try talking your trash to a group from that Religion of peace you are trying to equate to Christianity, and you will quickly learn the difference. As if you don't already know the difference, of course."

I don't see members of that other "religion of peace" crowing loudly about this, just some Christians.

But, hey...I'm sure that if you'd been there when Jesus said "let he who is without sin cast the first stone," you'd have had that rock downrange in under a second.


492 posted on 12/06/2005 2:56:57 PM PST by BeHoldAPaleHorse (MORE COWBELL! MORE COWBELL! (CLANK-CLANK-CLANK))
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To: Right Wing Professor
Now bugger off . . .

Red cap already in place?

493 posted on 12/06/2005 2:57:01 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: MeanWestTexan

On the other hand, the pompous, self righteous, holier than thou Christians are the biggest turn off for unbelievers.


494 posted on 12/06/2005 2:59:36 PM PST by F.J. Mitchell (Okay, bring our troops home. But don't feign suprise when the terrorists tag along.)
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To: Fester Chugabrew

"I tend to think it was a real attack by a couple overzealous fools."

That is possible, too, and a full and fair investigation needs to be made.

Indeed, some of the fools I have seen here (and on creation/evolution) threads give credence to such a possibility.

Perhaps I am just hopeful, in that such an attack would be: (1) directly forbidden by Christ himself (scripture post is above), followed up by St. Peter (who admonishes all Christians to follow the law) and (2) counter-productive.


495 posted on 12/06/2005 3:00:40 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: F.J. Mitchell

Well, I AM pompus, but holier-than-thou, I am not.

I follow St. Augestine's prayar, "Lord, make me chaste; but not just yet."


496 posted on 12/06/2005 3:02:18 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: MeanWestTexan

I should have read your tagline. Sorry, but it's difficult to follow a thread this long.


497 posted on 12/06/2005 3:05:54 PM PST by Sally Golightly
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To: Right Wing Professor
Well, much of the "reaction here" either came from trollish posters who were barely signed up (I encountered the thread after a lot of posts were pulled from posters I'd never heard of) people who merely didn't believe the good professor or people whose sarcasm couldn't be detected by the dull-witted. Much of it.

And, of course, there's the other side, who sought the gotcha moment including you yourself who intended to use this thread to make an enemies list.

It's certainly possible that two ordinary white church-going men in their 30's and 40's (huh?) figured out who he was, tailed him hoping he would pull over and then hoping he would get out of his car so that they could pummel him to within an inch of . . . well, having at least one hospital meal.

A slightly more likely scenario is that Phelps' gang stalked the guy and pulled this thing.

However, the probabilities are infinitesimal compared to the likelihood that the wounds are self-inflicted. Either directly or for-hire.

I base that on (1) what is known about his character (2) the fact that he didn't blame the perpetrators but attempted to blame all IDers right away (3) the perpetrators knew him and where to find him, but attempted to do their deed on a public (but rural) road (how far away from campus does he live, anyway?) (4) the perpetrators went to all this trouble and didn't really hurt him badly but then didn't smash up his car, either. I mean, if you really want to show the guy a lesson and you're a couple of thug a-holes with a "metal object", you leave the guy with at least two smashed windows. Somebody earlier mentioned a lost tooth, but this article only mentioned "bruises and sore spots".

I can't feel sorry for the guy, because even if it all happened exactly the way he said, including the vague "he thinks they struck him with a metal object" he's essentially OK, if a little shaken.

His reaction to this is creating a justifiable "Boy who cried `Redneck'" reaction by posters here and if it turns out to be 100% true, I'll save any sympathy for him and channel it into negative reaction towards the perpetrators.

498 posted on 12/06/2005 3:06:23 PM PST by AmishDude (Your corporate slogan could be here! FReepmail me for my confiscatory rates.)
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To: Sally Golightly

LOL.

I do it all the time too.

No harm, no foul.


499 posted on 12/06/2005 3:08:24 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: F.J. Mitchell
There is a certain view that fundamentalist Christians are dangerous, maniacal idiots, who don't even understand their own religion. I reject that view because the majority of fundamentalist Christians who I know personally are genuinely good people who are reasonable in their beliefs and valuable friends. I also know a few "fundies" who are dangerous, maniacal idiots, who don't even understand their own religion.

While I'm not a fundamentalist Christian, nor even a religious person of any kind, I have contempt for the "normal, everyday" idiots who take every opportunity to bash honest Christian beliefs. Some of these people I know personally, and I don't enjoy being around them and I try avoid them. But the specific target of my sarcasm is "Big Journalism" which is going to be milking this story for ALL the Christian bashing they can squeeze out of it.
500 posted on 12/06/2005 3:08:49 PM PST by spinestein (All journalists today are paid advocates for someone's agenda.)
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