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Churches urged to back evolution
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| 20 February 2006
| Paul Rincon
Posted on 02/20/2006 5:33:50 AM PST by ToryHeartland
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To: b_sharp
761
posted on
02/20/2006 8:20:46 PM PST
by
LiteKeeper
(Beware the secularization of America)
To: Virginia-American
[Biblical shape of the Earth]
Job 26:7
He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing
this is Job speaking. in Ch. 38:4-6, the Lord responds, and says
4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
IE Job says the Earth hangs upon nothing, and the Lord corrects him and says it has a foundation and a corner stone.
Taking verses out of context is why you are confused. Job and the Lord are having a conversation and are NOT talking about the "shape of the earth"!
Nothing Job has said is wrong. That remained the same. The Lord is speaking in a metaphor. When a building is created they lay a foundation and a cornerstone and this is what the Lord is referring to - when He created the world. He's asking Job WHERE were YOU when I created the earth? What makes YOU think I need to ANSWER TO YOU.
Job made the statement
Job 26:7
He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing
in the 26 chapter of the book of Job.
Between that and chapter 38 allot has happened to Job.
Job is looking for answers to all the hardships he has endured. He is asking the Lord questions:
Job 38:4-7
[4] Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
[5] Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
[6] Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
[7] When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
etc.
You see the Lord doesn't answer to Job. That's why He is asking Job these questions. It's like saying hey Job, who do YOU think YOU are? Where YOU there when I did this etc.? The Lord is putting Job is his place.
Later Job is blessed for keeping his faith.
Job 42:12 & 13
[12] So the LORD blessed the latter end of Job more than his beginning: for he had fourteen thousand sheep, and six thousand camels, and a thousand yoke of oxen, and a thousand she asses.
[13] He had also seven sons and three daughters.
You see the whole time Job was being tested. We know it since it is stated in the beginning. The Lord allowed Satan to do these terrible things to Job, KNOWING that Job would be true to Him.
Job 1:8-12 and read on
[8] And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?
[9] Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought?
[10] Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land.
[11] But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face.
[12] And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.
Read on!
The cornerstone metaphor is used elsewhere.
Here's another example that may help clarify this for you:
Eph.2:20
[20] And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
It is CHRIST that is the corner stone of the body of believers.
762
posted on
02/20/2006 8:22:22 PM PST
by
nmh
(Intelligent people believe in Intelligent Design (God))
To: stands2reason
"That's a false statement, and you know it.
The worst thing is, you will never stop saying it, and when called a liar, you'll run weeping to the mods. How pitiful."
No there is NO evidence whatsoever and YOU know that too. Evolution is a religion. You want to believe in it even though NOTHING supports it and especially not logic.
Initially I conversed with this Dim person - whatever his name is. Then he became obnoxious and I started ignoring him. Mind you he's been harassing me for OVER six months. Today, I simply had enough! He's way out of line! Unlike others, I announce that I've had enough and what I will do about it. Let that be a warning to you too. I see no reason to put up with childish harassment and personal attacks - part of the rules here.
What I regret is that I did not report his abuse MONTHS ago.
763
posted on
02/20/2006 8:26:39 PM PST
by
nmh
(Intelligent people believe in Intelligent Design (God))
To: bondserv
Science does not produce personal responsibility or character. Neither does math. Did you have a point?
There are many Theistic Evolutionary Catholics in that area of the Blue state.
Who appear motivated to vote, at least on the local level, against ID in science class.
If you went to my link you also saw Gov. Taft, Gov. Bush, and especially Sen. Santorum all distancing themselves from ID being taught in science class.
764
posted on
02/20/2006 8:28:56 PM PST
by
Ken H
To: Elsie
Time is Nature's way of making sure that everything doesn't happen at once. Or happen twice.
765
posted on
02/20/2006 8:32:44 PM PST
by
dread78645
(Intelligent Design. It causes people to misspeak)
To: freedumb2003
For some reason you continue to present conventional scientific interpretations as the only reality. Science is individuals presenting information that explains reality within the available limitations current technology has on measuring observations. As technology improves through
intelligent engineering, a more accurate grasp of our naturalistic reality becomes more revealed. Science in and of itself is exciting.
However, relegating our God given intelligence and curiosity to random chance spits in the eye of our Creator.
If we measured the percentage of our reality that we understand, it would be less than 1 percent, being that we are trapped on a minuscule planet with primitive instruments. Guessing about reality is entertaining, but it doesn't stop people from flying planes into buildings.
Minus the transforming power of Jesus Christ, there never would have been a country like the United States. Freedom has always been based on people of character. There are obvious supernatural forces at work in our reality. Israel is back in the land after having been scattered for thousands of years and that little strip of land has the entire world in illogical turmoil.
Allowing conventional science to dictate reality leads to a society enslaved to elite scientists forcing prescriptions to tranquilize boys into submission; a generation of people cutting tasty fat foods from their diets needlessly; aborting human beings because they are legally defined only in materialistic terms...
My comments cut to the heart of the debate!
766
posted on
02/20/2006 8:34:39 PM PST
by
bondserv
(God governs our universe and has seen fit to offer us a pardon. †)
To: editor-surveyor
An opinion based in ignorance. Biblical assertions have the strong proof behind them of fulfilled prophecy, and the statistical science that is documented in "The Bible Code Bombshell." The fact that you are too pig-headed to even read that powerful scientific evidence limits the value of your opinion severely. You refuse to accept an hypothesis that is grounded in science, meaning that it will have to follow existing science findings, but will accept something as tenuous as supposed Bible prophecy simply because it agrees with your belief system. Hmmm.
You really are averse to science and the scientific method aren't you?
767
posted on
02/20/2006 8:35:35 PM PST
by
b_sharp
(Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
To: freedumb2003
sort of "trap" for me
Get at least ONE thing right tonight, you trapped yourself with YOUR OWN WORDS! Your the childish one with your backpeddling. It's no wonder you can't grasp basic truth.
To: b_sharp
"I find it interesting that creationists are not willing to accept abiogenesis (which would follow known physical laws), but are willing to not only accept, but base their living philosophy on, magic."What known physical laws would explain abiogenesis? And who said that creationists base their philosophy for living on magic? I presume you can support that second statement with some references.
769
posted on
02/20/2006 8:40:46 PM PST
by
metmom
(Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
To: ToryHeartland
Intelligent Design is not an "assault on science." It asserts that science was created by intelligence, and we have been discovering that intelligence for centuries.
To: b_sharp
You really are averse to science and the scientific method aren't you?
He admits to putting stock in The Bible Code Bombshell. I'd say that he's openly admitted to eschewing all rational thought.
771
posted on
02/20/2006 8:42:33 PM PST
by
Dimensio
(http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
To: Minuteman23
Intelligent Design is not an "assault on science." It asserts that science was created by intelligence, and we have been discovering that intelligence for centuries.
Er, no, it does not assert that. Intelligent Design asserts that as species emerged from common ancestry an unspecified designer intervened directly on specific populations of organisms and used unspecified methods to "design" certain features that could not evolve without such intervention.
772
posted on
02/20/2006 8:44:09 PM PST
by
Dimensio
(http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
To: presently no screen name
I wasn't responding to you or anything you said - I was responding to FreeDum's post to you about exposing Creationist lies.
And your "calling God a liar" claim was a complete non-sequitur. No one here has claimed that any deities have lied.
773
posted on
02/20/2006 8:45:39 PM PST
by
Dimensio
(http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
To: Dimensio
Ridiculous. Would you care to back that nonsense up with a link to something respectable?
To: whattajoke; Jo Nuvark
Ah, the same old tired, *If you don't accept the ToE you're a hypocrite for availing yourself of modern medicine.*
Knowing about antibiotic resistance is not dependent on accepting the ToE; it came about the hard way, by observing it. If it was, then doctors and scientists should have predicted that it would happen instead of handing out antibiotics like candy until, oops... now we have antibiotic resistant bacteria. Obviously, knowing about and accepting the ToE did nothing to prevent the health crisis we face now. Shouldn't the ToE been able to predict that?
And not accepting the ToE is not the same as rejecting science off hand. There are many branches of science that can be successfully practiced without evolution ever entering into them. Good science depends on the scientific method not adherence to a theory. Too many theories in the past have changed and continue to change by the day. So why should people be condemned because of being skeptical of one?
775
posted on
02/20/2006 8:57:49 PM PST
by
metmom
(Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
To: Minuteman23
Ridiculous. Would you care to back that nonsense up with a link to something respectable?
You mean to perhaps Michael Behe's own words on the matter?
776
posted on
02/20/2006 8:58:25 PM PST
by
Dimensio
(http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
To: Ken H
777
posted on
02/20/2006 9:00:58 PM PST
by
bondserv
(God governs our universe and has seen fit to offer us a pardon. †)
To: Dimensio
Yeah Dimensio! Quit posting facts and exposing Creationist' lies and logical fallacies by throwing their words in their face.
Here - read above what someone posted. Exposing Creationist's lies???? Where do we get THE TRUTH that the poster calls lies. From God's Word! So that's calling God a liar. WE don't make things up, we go to HIS Word.
To: freedumb2003; RunningWolf; Havoc; Creationist; bondserv
Here's a courtesy ping to let you (RunningWolf, Havoc, Creationist)know that you are being discussed and give you a chance to defend yourself, which someone apparently forgot.
779
posted on
02/20/2006 9:10:12 PM PST
by
metmom
(Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
To: Dimensio
And your "calling God a liar" claim was a complete non-sequitur. No one here has claimed that any deities have lied. Basically, if you are calling creationists liars for telling you what God has said in His word, yes you are calling God a liar. If creationism is a lie, than God lied when He said He did it.
780
posted on
02/20/2006 9:14:29 PM PST
by
metmom
(Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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