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Churches urged to back evolution
British Broadcasting Corporation ^ | 20 February 2006 | Paul Rincon

Posted on 02/20/2006 5:33:50 AM PST by ToryHeartland

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To: stands2reason

Perhaps, but do you think God just looked around one day, saw that life had appeared and evolved on earth without His involvement, and decided to stick a soul inside of us?


601 posted on 02/20/2006 4:49:30 PM PST by puroresu (Conservatism is an observation; Liberalism is an ideology)
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To: editor-surveyor

[...God's inerrant word clearly states that evolution
did not happen, and the two are mutually exclusive...]

Isa 48:3 ... I have declared the former things from the
beginning; and they went forth out of My mouth, and I
shewed them; I did [them] SUDDENLY, and they came
to pass.

Proof text for future reference. Well done ES!


602 posted on 02/20/2006 4:50:32 PM PST by Jo Nuvark ((Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3))
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To: ml1954
Wouldn't you know it....a government employee.

I refuse to believe that. Even your average deist believes God is less impersonal and more caring than a gov't employee. :-)

God doesn't need a domain, he is just God@heaven.

All your domain are belong to HIM!!!

603 posted on 02/20/2006 4:50:45 PM PST by stands2reason (It's now 2006, and two wrongs still don't make a right.)
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To: nmh
Job 26:7 supports no statement about the shape of the earth. It merely states it hangs on nothing. Of course, it doesn't "hang" at all. It is not suspended, but is moving constantly.

By 150 B.C., the Greek astronomer Eratosthenes had already measured the 25,000-mile circumference of the earth. The round shape of our planet was a conclusion easily drawn by watching ships disappear over the horizon and also by observing eclipse shadows, and we can assume that such information was well known to New Testament writers. Earth's spherical shape was, of course, also understood by Christopher Columbus.

Which is true, but is irrelevant regarding the Bible. As I noted in post 590, the text, as a whole, is consistent with the view held in that part of the world contemporaneously with the time the Old Testament was written (i.e., the earth as a flat disk or rectangular shape, surrounded by ocean, capped with a canopy ("vault") of sky on which the sun, moon, planets and stars traversed.) This is inconsistent with anything approaching a modern cosmology.

604 posted on 02/20/2006 4:50:59 PM PST by WildHorseCrash
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To: presently no screen name
It was created by Our Creator, The Almighty.

Can you demonstrate this?
605 posted on 02/20/2006 4:54:09 PM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Jo Nuvark
BOOK AND VERSE PLEASE.

I'm sure if you study your bible, you can find the references on your own.

606 posted on 02/20/2006 4:54:56 PM PST by WildHorseCrash
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To: presently no screen name
Only to those who have been brainwashed by their professors.

Wait, are you saying that humans are not animals? What are we, then? Plants? Fungus? Don't tell me we're monera.
607 posted on 02/20/2006 4:58:55 PM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: stands2reason

[...Religion need not be specifically theistic to be religion...]

Excellent point. I am religious about hygiene and paying my bills.
There are plenty of "Religious" people in the world. But FAITH...
That is the question.

Luk 18:8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless
when the Son of man cometh, SHALL HE FIND FAITH on the earth?


608 posted on 02/20/2006 5:00:30 PM PST by Jo Nuvark ((Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3))
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To: Jo Nuvark
Even as a grade schooler, I could see there was a huge gap in evidence filled in with wishful thinking and artistic imagination.

Perhaps you could substantiate your claim by pointing out specific deficiences in the evidence presented for evolution rather than relating vague anecdotal tales.
609 posted on 02/20/2006 5:00:58 PM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: WildHorseCrash; nmh
"Job 26:7 supports no statement about the shape of the earth. It merely states it hangs on nothing. Of course, it doesn't "hang" at all. It is not suspended, but is moving constantly."

If you want biblical discussion on the shape of the earth, and the motion of the earth and planets, you have to go to the oldest writings:
The epistles of Enoch. There is considerable description therein, and it is all in keeping with the current general understanding of the solar system.

As to whether the earth hangs on nothing, it definately appears to hang on nothing, and to that extent, the description in Job is accurate for the purpose of the statement, and the context thereof.

610 posted on 02/20/2006 5:01:34 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Atheist and Fool are synonyms; Evolution is where fools hide from the sunrise)
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To: Jo Nuvark
The outcome is a civilation in decline because it has forgotton God.

We're discussing acceptance of the theory of evolution, not belief in any deities.

Evolution does not advance civility, it excuses depravity.

Justify this claim.
611 posted on 02/20/2006 5:02:21 PM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: ToryHeartland
I read the biblical story of creation to my children when they were very small. We didn't discuss the intricacies of faith because we didn't have many. We just lived it. I did not monitor what the schools were teaching my children in science, but I did flip through one of my son's science books which had interleaved pages of anecdotal material making the catholic church look backward (was not a catholic at the time). I believe those pages every few chapters concerned the blood transfusion of a pope gone awry, also the account of Galileo and others I've forgotten.

Fast forward to when my son is about through high school, didn't go to college, does not attend any church regularly or read the bible, but he is a person of faith albeit imperfect. One day out of the blue, he said, "Mom, evolution just can't be true."; I can't remember the rest of the conversation, there wasn't much, because now and then I had kicked it around myself, but hadn't been able to reconcile my belief system with the theory of evolution. Now just because my son came to that conclusion doesn't make it so.

I know it is Neanderthal to believe in creation, but I do, the six days being epochs of what duration I don't know. I do not believe in evolution, but do believe in mutation and survival of the fittest. Mutation if continued unchecked seems to adversely affect any given species, making prone to slide into extinction. Some mutations appear to be positive and beneficial. Human mutations since we have been able to track them tend to be negative overall and cause untold numbers of undesirable genetic conditions at the point we are in history. Man's three score and ten have been extended by science in the west causing the actuarial tables to be revised and by unexplained phenomena in other small populations of the non-western world where average life span is longer.

To further muddy the waters, I believe that life was created by benevolent being(s) (the bible and credo claims Christ did it) and some evil force entered the picture and tampered with it, the fall being an allegorical explanation of a process no one can explain to this day.

In college, I took an anthropology class which focussed on Australopithecus, Homo Erectus, Neanderthal, etc., wasn't convinced by it but kept quiet so I could pass the course (I may have anyway; things were more tolerant then). It was a catholic college, and I didn't have any counter arguments anyway. As a child I was exposed to some of the new ideas, saw the reassembled dinosaur in the Chicago Museum of Natural History, my father had a mastodon tusk from Alaska, but I was never swayed by any of it. When I went to high school, I don't remember any talk about evolution; we studied other things in science class and that was left alone, probably because parents at that time would have objected strenuously. There could have been hints at it along the way.

That's it. I can understand why it cannot be taught in science class, but it should be presented as theory and not fact.

I do believe that if we are allowed to continue long enough, science, abrogating the role of creator, will eventually be able to create new speciation which will be able to mate with itself and blocked from mating with the parent species or genetic manipulation will allow for inter-breeding. It will require the intervention by man to bring it about.

If science comes up with something convincing enough, I will change my position. So far they have not. We have been conditioned to accept it as fact, and they should leave the churches alone, and I suppose the churches ought to leave the state schools alone.

612 posted on 02/20/2006 5:04:54 PM PST by Aliska
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To: BMCDA

It's the same thread, and already the short-term amnesia's kicking in.


613 posted on 02/20/2006 5:05:21 PM PST by stands2reason (It's now 2006, and two wrongs still don't make a right.)
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To: WildHorseCrash

[...I'm sure if you study your Bible, you can find the references on your own...]

Oh no. Rules of engagement. The burden of proof is on you. Nice try.


614 posted on 02/20/2006 5:08:54 PM PST by Jo Nuvark ((Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3))
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To: metmom

Maybe God told you personally that the Bible is his Word. He hasn't revealed such to me. Until then, it's only men who have told me such.


615 posted on 02/20/2006 5:09:20 PM PST by stands2reason (It's now 2006, and two wrongs still don't make a right.)
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To: Dimensio
Can you demonstrate this?

If anyone could demonstrate that the world was created by God then we wouldn't be having this "discussion", such as it is.

616 posted on 02/20/2006 5:10:17 PM PST by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: Always Right

If I look up the word "oath" in the dictionary, will the word "religious" be anywhere in the result?

I don't see how the word implies religiosity per se.


617 posted on 02/20/2006 5:11:53 PM PST by stands2reason (It's now 2006, and two wrongs still don't make a right.)
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To: Elsie

Perhaps the Bible isn't a science textbook, but a book of metaphor and ancient religious narratives?

One can take the Bible seriously without being a fideist.


618 posted on 02/20/2006 5:14:12 PM PST by PresbyRev
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To: Dimensio

[...Evolution does not advance civility, it excuses depravity...]

If I am a beast, then I am accountable to nothing but "instinct"
and my behavior is excused.

Job 12:7-8 But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee;
and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee: God's hand
is the life and breath of every living thing.

Romans 1:20 …For since the creation of the world His invisible
attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly
seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are
without excuse. 3:10… for they exchanged the truth of God for a
lie, and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator,
who is blessed forever.



619 posted on 02/20/2006 5:17:39 PM PST by Jo Nuvark ((Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3))
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To: Dimensio

[...substantiate your claim by pointing out specific deficiences in the evidence presented for evolution rather than relating vague anecdotal tales...]

This personal "anecdote" is a fact that I observed. Which is more than I can
say for some scientists. Evidence should be observable, repeatable and documentable.


620 posted on 02/20/2006 5:21:51 PM PST by Jo Nuvark ((Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3))
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To: Jo Nuvark
"If I am a beast, then I am accountable to nothing but "instinct"
and my behavior is excused."

Evolution doesn't say you are a *beast*; it says you are a human. You are getting so caught up in the steps that got you here and forgetting where *here* is. Whether a God made me or I evolved, I am what I am. (Yes, I am quoting the eminent philosopher, Popeye :).
621 posted on 02/20/2006 5:24:05 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: Dimensio; Jo Nuvark; nmh
Well 'artists concept' does not qualify as evidence for one.

He saw the exhibits, I did too. That's eyewitness testimony, not something you twist into 'vague anecdotal tales'. But twisting is pretty much what you are about. Its not our fault the evolutionists want to wipe away parts of their legacy.

You still have your artists concepts, for one look at the dino-raptor illustrations against the fossils
622 posted on 02/20/2006 5:24:05 PM PST by RunningWolf (Vet US Army Air Cav 1975)
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To: WildHorseCrash
The Bible's references to the earth's four corners, its "foundations", about a tree so high that it could be seen from the furthest reaches of the Earth, a mountain so high that the ends of the earth could be seen by someone on the mountain, that the earth is fixed and immovable, that the heavens are a "vault" etc. are totally consistent with a flat earth cosmology. (emphasis mine)

Without context, your opinion of these references is rather meaningless, but even taking them at face value, the two that are underlined actually suggest the relationship of a [raised] point on a curve, rather than a [raised point on a straight line.

623 posted on 02/20/2006 5:26:30 PM PST by csense
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To: wallcrawlr
Do you pay to stay on this forum? Its obviously not due to your charm that youre allowed to stay.

It obviously takes more than constant badgering of the mods by a bunch of lying snitching whiny crybaby losers to get someone who knows his subject banned.

624 posted on 02/20/2006 5:34:39 PM PST by shuckmaster (An oak tree is an acorns way of making more acorns)
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To: editor-surveyor
The book of Enoch describes a flat, circular Earth capped by the dome of the sky. The stars are the equivalent of angels who travel from doors in the base of the dome and travel across the sky in pre-arranged routes (a couple of stars were punished for failing to go to their assigned spots). The sun and moon likewise enter the dome through doors in its base, travel across the sky, and leave through doors in the opposite side.

Check out this thread on the very subject: Freeper Research Project: Enoch and Astronomy

625 posted on 02/20/2006 5:35:52 PM PST by Junior (Identical fecal matter, alternate diurnal period)
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To: ToryHeartland
I do not understand why such an enlightened nation is embroiled in a senseless science vs. religion turmoil

It's probably a simple misreading of what America is about. It's commerce, same as England. For commerce, a deep and subtle understanding of science and philosophy is not necessary, but a knowledge of finance, marketing and engineering is required. Both science and religion are peripheral interests and can be argued and confused all daylong without affecting vital issues of commerce. We don't argue much about engineering and bank loans.

626 posted on 02/20/2006 5:36:20 PM PST by RightWhale (pas de lieu, Rhone que nous)
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To: metmom
How can you believe in God (capital G as in the God of the Bible) if you don't see Him is Scripture? If it weren't for the Bible and what He revealed to us in it, we would know next to nothing about Him. The Bible, which is what you dismiss as "the ramblings of the primitive people", is the only source of information about Him. And it's hardly *ramblings*. It's written at a level that most people can't even attain these days. Ramblings don't include such specific references to people, dates, and events, and it has found to be historically very accurate. It makes no sense to claim to believe in God and yet reject the very source of the information about Him. . I guess the lord works in mysterious ways.
627 posted on 02/20/2006 5:36:41 PM PST by Vaquero (time again for the Crusades.)
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To: dread78645

wrap some 'Beaumont rags' around em.


628 posted on 02/20/2006 5:38:23 PM PST by Vaquero (time again for the Crusades.)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

I yam, what I yam, what I yam. LOL!

An ape for an ancestor makes a monkey out of you and me. Ape... Monkey... Animal. When does the animal become human? If we are not created, then we a not accountable to our Creator. I'm quite happy to be subject to my God.


629 posted on 02/20/2006 5:40:36 PM PST by Jo Nuvark ((Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3))
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To: Vicomte13

Wow -- what a fabulous post.

Sometimes, when I think I might be pretty sharp (or at least not a dull point), I see a post like yours and feel like I am Jethroe Bodine.

I have read it three times and and still am gleaning new information from the well-written and reasoned data posted.

Are you a historian and writer by profession?


630 posted on 02/20/2006 5:41:58 PM PST by freedumb2003 (American troops cannot be defeated. American Politicians can.)
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To: WildHorseCrash
I wonder why all copies weren't lost in Noah's flood?

"Keep your sacred texts dry during those world-changing floods..."

631 posted on 02/20/2006 5:45:09 PM PST by freedumb2003 (American troops cannot be defeated. American Politicians can.)
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To: joseph20
Take your Bible-bashing elsewhere. You are not welcome.

Listen up fella, last I checked this ain't your forum. It's JimRob's. And unless you happen to be a mod, your opinion means nothing to me.

And no personal beliefs (except leftism) are outlawed.

I didn't bash your Bible, so get over yourself. Even my Christian minister friend thinks I'm entitled to my own opinion.(And prays for my soul every night most likely) Your hostility towards me shows that you don't agree.

Well, bathe in your hostility, if you so desire.

632 posted on 02/20/2006 5:45:44 PM PST by stands2reason (It's now 2006, and two wrongs still don't make a right.)
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To: RunningWolf

Thank you for your "artist's concept" remarks.

I'm just asking for someone to prove Evolution exists. Sheesh. Is that so difficult?
I can prove God exists with every breath I take. "I am" witness to God's existence.


633 posted on 02/20/2006 5:48:08 PM PST by Jo Nuvark ((Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3))
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To: Jo Nuvark

"An ape for an ancestor makes a monkey out of you and me."

Besides the fact we are apes, we are also human. That is specifically what we are. We are not monkeys no matter what our ancestry is.

"When does the animal become human?"

We are human animals.

" If we are not created, then we a not accountable to our Creator."

Granted. But we ARE accountable to reality. It truly is a harsh mistress.


634 posted on 02/20/2006 5:49:11 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: wallcrawlr; Dimensio
Do you pay to stay on this forum? Its obviously not due to your charm that youre allowed to stay.

Yeah Dimensio! Quit posting facts and exposing Creationist' lies and logical fallacies by throwing their words in their face.

I mean just because you have facts, truth and reasoning on your side, that doesn't mean you get to just SAY it!! You have to imply it or else you will insult people who have to rely on lies to debate.

Now, you knock that off ;)

635 posted on 02/20/2006 5:49:56 PM PST by freedumb2003 (American troops cannot be defeated. American Politicians can.)
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To: freedumb2003
Agreed, so long as the topic at hand is subject to "viewpoints." Viewpoints about string theory may be subject to debate, but that debate is amongst scientists with the proper background and knowledge. Pastry Chefs (for example) with no scientific knowledge are not qualified to present a "viewpoint" on string theory even if they hold an opinion on it.

This type of attitude is just nonsense, and people such as Gregor Johann Mendel, David H. Levy, Henrietta Swan Leavitt, Joseph Priestley, Michael Faraday, Grote Reber, Arthur C. Clarke, Thomas Jefferson, Susan Hendrickson and Felix d'Herelle is evidnece of that. (source)

636 posted on 02/20/2006 5:51:34 PM PST by csense
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To: Jo Nuvark
If I am a beast, then I am accountable to nothing but "instinct" and my behavior is excused.

Codswallop. I know of no rational biologist who would suggest that the placement of homo sapiens sapiens in kingdom Animalia in any way excuses or justifies any kind of behaviour.

Even if this were true (and it is not), it would have no bearing on the validity of the claim that humans are animals. You are appealing to consequence and wishful thinking. You are not making a rational argument to show that humans are not animals.
637 posted on 02/20/2006 5:51:50 PM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Jo Nuvark
Oops. In my reply I mistakenly believed you were also the poster who claimed that humans are not animals. I apologize for the portion of my reply that relates to that assumption.

I maintain my claim that no rational biologist would suggest that human origins sharing common ancestry with apes in any way justifies any kind of behavior.
638 posted on 02/20/2006 5:53:30 PM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Dimensio

Hey, man, don't dis the Monera. They have a way of getting back at you.


639 posted on 02/20/2006 5:53:39 PM PST by furball4paws (Awful Offal)
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To: Jo Nuvark
This personal "anecdote" is a fact that I observed.

What museum? When was this? How were the drawings labelled?

Evidence should be observable, repeatable and documentable.

You mean like the extensive fossil record, and ERV insertions discovered through gene sequencing of humans and other ape species?
640 posted on 02/20/2006 5:54:47 PM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: csense
[...Without context, your opinion of these references is rather meaningless, but even taking them at face value, the two that are underlined actually suggest the relationship of a [raised] point on a curve, rather than a [raised point on a straight line...]

He may be speaking of the New Jerusalem which could be a cube or tetra hedron. The huge tree is probably a metaphor for Israel. It might be in Isaiah. Still... it's no fun without context.
641 posted on 02/20/2006 5:55:56 PM PST by Jo Nuvark ((Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3))
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To: Jo Nuvark
I'm just asking for someone to prove Evolution exists. Sheesh. Is that so difficult?

The process of evolution can be demonstrated. Demonstrating "proof" of the theory is impossible -- absolutely no theory in science can ever be proven. You might as well attack the current explanation for gravity for the same reason.

I can prove God exists with every breath I take.

Please explain how breathing proves God's existence.
642 posted on 02/20/2006 5:56:06 PM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: presently no screen name

Why do you say "believe in God and his creation" when you clearly mean " believe the Bible literally as true?" You can believe in God and his creation and accept evolution as well. I do.


643 posted on 02/20/2006 5:57:30 PM PST by stands2reason (It's now 2006, and two wrongs still don't make a right.)
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To: Dimensio

" Please explain how breathing proves God's existence."

All burdens of proof are equal. Some are more equal than others.


644 posted on 02/20/2006 5:58:06 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: ToryHeartland

Evo's don't believe in science. Why would we want to go there?


645 posted on 02/20/2006 5:59:01 PM PST by manwiththehands (Fighting daily against the dominant RINO culture.)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
Just because you haven't actually said something doesn't mean creationists won't attack you over it.
646 posted on 02/20/2006 5:59:19 PM PST by hail to the chief (Use your conservatism liberally)
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To: freedumb2003; ToryHeartland
For some reason Creatinists/IDers (CRIDers as I call them) believe that Creationism is an "alternate theory" even though it doesn't meet any of the scientific criteria as a "theory." It is like saying "angels hold planes aloft" is an alternate "theory" for aerodynamics.

An analogy is the only way to get across the the thinking used by TOE advocates, because we don't have enough hard evidence in regard to origins or speciation to intelligently apply scientific principles.

The Theory of Evolution is like attributing the production of a sandcastle to the ocean because you observed the water creating the mote. Saying that the evidence only leads to the conclusion of Darwinian Evolution is like explaining the creation of a sandcastle by limiting oneself to natural phenomenon.

Two men become stranded on a remote island. As they explore the island they come upon a sandcastle with towers, buttresses and a drawbridge. The design of the castle is amazingly intricate.

One man comments, "It is amazing what time and the ocean can create. As you can see these small rocks and seashells on the shore must have got caught in eddies and swirled around and chiseled out that castle. There were a few palm leaves floating by that scribed out the little lines that look like bricks. We are alone here and there is no need to consider anything else.

The other man looked at him incredulously and said, "No, obviously that castle was created by another intelligent being with a clear intent of design, we are not alone. The engineering required to create the castle is far to sophisticated to have originated by purely natural means."

"Even though you have theorized that the available mechanisms could have contributed to some of the sandcastles features, when one views the integration required to create the complexity of the features, natural mechanisms fall short. Knowing what it takes to engineer features with the levels of integration evident in the sandcastles design, leads intelligent people who attempt such designs to admire the creator's success."

And life is many levels of complexity beyond a sandcastle. Self-correcting, self-healing, -- multiple inter-working systems like respiration, circulatory, musculature, waste management, fuel storage and retrieval, a veritable chemistry lab for dealing with unlocking energy from food, management of enzymes for unlocking the cell walls to allow passage of energy for use by the factories we call cells -- growth and the limits which keep replacement of dieing tissue from destroying the life form...

An attempt at denying God is making fools of our scientists. Science is entertaining and occasionally helpful.

647 posted on 02/20/2006 5:59:47 PM PST by bondserv (God governs our universe and has seen fit to offer us a pardon. )
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To: Jo Nuvark
"I hoped SOMEONE would notice. If I'm an animal, then my behavior is excused as "instinct". Ah, the beasts. Even they know.

Many animals exhibit what we call consideration for their family and group members, especially those most closely related to us, the chimps. This is a strong indicator that our 'moral fibre' stems not from some supernatural source but from our instinctive reaction to family members. However, unlike the other apes, humans can formulate and preserve rigid behaviour guidelines that ameliorate our instinctive behavior towards those outside our family/accepted group.

648 posted on 02/20/2006 6:00:48 PM PST by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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To: csense
This type of attitude is just nonsense, and people such as Gregor Johann Mendel, David H. Levy, Henrietta Swan Leavitt, Joseph Priestley, Michael Faraday, Grote Reber, Arthur C. Clarke, Thomas Jefferson, Susan Hendrickson and Felix d'Herelle is evidnece of that. (source)

This is a list of some very brilliant people who were exceptional. They all spent time researching their subject matter (or exploring it once there) before entering the field. The fact they were religious people is not relevant to the discussion at hand. It is merely an interesting side point.

I am sure if Arthur C. Clarke were to weigh in on String Theory he would do a LOT of research on it and it would be on point. He would NOT go research Pastry Cooking and then try to debate the issue.

Studied opinions require that study within the field being discussed. Mythology is no more a proper foundation for discussing Evolution than baking.

649 posted on 02/20/2006 6:00:59 PM PST by freedumb2003 (American troops cannot be defeated. American Politicians can.)
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To: Junior

Don't need to 'check out' any misleading nonsense, since I have read the writings of Enoch myself. ( not the new-age falsifications that are posted on the web)


650 posted on 02/20/2006 6:01:37 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Atheist and Fool are synonyms; Evolution is where fools hide from the sunrise)
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