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Bush will win on Immigration to save the Republican Party.

Posted on 03/27/2006 9:53:41 AM PST by Pukin Dog

Just a little dose of reality for some of you going nuts over the Immigration issue, because there is NO chance that you will win on the border enforcement issue. No chance whatsoever. Only after a migrant worker program passes, making most of these illegal aliens legal, is there any chance at all to have meaningful border enforcement.

Bush is not running for office anymore, but the Republican Congress is in need of a big victory in November. This issue will kill our chances to maintain the majority, and knowing that, Bush will likely veto any bill making illegal immigration a felony, if that bill does not include the migrant worker program (call it amnesty if you want) needed to hold onto Business and Hispanic support for the Republican Party.

The Illegal Immigration Genie is out of the bottle, folks. You can’t stuff her back in without losing the House and/or Senate in November. Pragmatic minds will rule in the end, and that is a bitter pill you best swallow now.

FReepers can’t will elections for the Republican Party, but we sure can go a long way towards losing them, if we can’t put our common sense ahead of our passions on this issue. I live in San Diego County, and I see the problems with illegal immigration on a daily basis.

Whether you like it or not, much of the commerce of this country does depend on these folks to do jobs that Americans won’t do for the prevailing wage.

So, you have a choice, you can demand the border enforcement bills on their own, or you can swallow hard and consider everything you will lose if we turn off 10-15% of the electorate, in addition to the business community that depends on these workers. Yeah, they broke the law, and so do the people who hire them.

So what?

Yeah, I said it, SO WHAT? The time to be worried about that was when there were REAL Republican majorities in the Border States. It is too late now. This is a problem that cannot be solved, but only managed.

It is possible to be right and stupid at the same time. Pete Wilson tried this a few years ago, got all kinds of support for it. It passed, and Pete Wilson is gone. Then a judge overturned it anyway. That is exactly what you can expect to happen with these current bills as well. Some judge will put an injunction on enforcement, but by the time that happens, we will be knee-deep into impeachment proceeding under a Democrat Congress.

Bush won’t let that happen, neither will smarter members of the Senate and House. You won’t win, you can’t win, but you can shoot yourself and the Republican party in the head (even if you are not a member) by pursuing a program that does not include amnesty or whatever you want to call it.

We lost this one.

Get over it. There are bigger battles ahead.


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Do you want to be right, or do you want to win?

It is that simple.

1 posted on 03/27/2006 9:53:43 AM PST by Pukin Dog
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To: Pukin Dog

I want to be right.


2 posted on 03/27/2006 9:54:46 AM PST by SC33
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To: SC33

I don't think you understand. The Azteca Intifada has just erupted in the Barrio Archepelago.


3 posted on 03/27/2006 9:56:22 AM PST by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: Pukin Dog

Pukin', you're 180 degrees off. Immigration is THE issue that the 2008 winner will take---border enforcement. Whoever grabs that issue and runs with it (Tancredo is just too small potatoes---I mean, whichever major figure) wins. It's that simple. So, yes, we can be right and win.


4 posted on 03/27/2006 9:56:32 AM PST by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news)
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To: Pukin Dog

If there is any type of guest worker amnesty whatsoever the gop will lose big in November.

This issue is a win for them if they follow the rule of law and side with the 80% of Americans who want our immigration laws enforced and our borders closed and secured.

Anything other than securing the border and taking steps to rid ourselves of the illegal menace would be political suicide.


6 posted on 03/27/2006 9:57:20 AM PST by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Vote for true conservatives!)
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To: Pukin Dog

If what you say is true, it's not just us freepers that are screwed, the Republican party will reap the whirlwind in the fall no matter what they do. The country is on the wrong track and there's nothing like a little gridlock to slow the train down. Frankly, if Bush didn't do anything wrong he doesn't need to worry about impeachment, now does he?


7 posted on 03/27/2006 9:58:03 AM PST by Flavius Josephus (War today is always cheaper than war tomorrow.)
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To: Pukin Dog
Bush will likely veto...
Pres. Bush thinks veto is a mafia hit man
8 posted on 03/27/2006 9:58:09 AM PST by stylin19a (Do you still have sex or are you already playing golf?)
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To: Pukin Dog

They'll lose far more support if they betray us.


10 posted on 03/27/2006 9:58:31 AM PST by Rick_Michael
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To: massgopguy
Barrio Archepelago

I like that. That's exactly what it is.

11 posted on 03/27/2006 9:58:37 AM PST by Flavius Josephus (War today is always cheaper than war tomorrow.)
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To: SC33; Pukin Dog
I want to be right.

As do I - will keep track how everyone of my congresscritters vote and take that into account next time they are up for re-election (most this Nov). I will reward them according to what I believe is right for this country. We are based on the "RULE OF LAW" and every stinking one of these illegal aliens are ILLEGAL. End of discussion - watch the election this fall and weep.

12 posted on 03/27/2006 9:58:56 AM PST by p23185
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To: Pukin Dog

13 posted on 03/27/2006 9:58:58 AM PST by VU4G10 (Have You Forgotten?)
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To: Pukin Dog
"Don't worry Vincente, I'll just call the new amnesty a 'guest worker program.'

"My peons are so stupid, they won't figure it out for years."


14 posted on 03/27/2006 9:59:12 AM PST by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Pukin Dog
Personally, I think the minimum wage law and other regulation are the culprits.

It's mostly small businesses who hire the illegals. Faced with not surviving in business due to onerous garbage laws, they hire Mexicans who are eager for the work.

If the regulation was erased and American low-wage workers couldn't demand all the goodies, American business could hire American workers and Mexicans wouldn't be so attractive.

Getting rid of Minimum wage laws and such is the answer IMO and that's not going to happen anytime soon.

16 posted on 03/27/2006 9:59:36 AM PST by Siena Dreaming
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To: acrosoc101

http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=13155


17 posted on 03/27/2006 10:00:19 AM PST by SC33
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To: Pukin Dog
Do you want to be right, or do you want to win?

Where's the barf alert for this piece?

18 posted on 03/27/2006 10:00:21 AM PST by Junior_G
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To: Pukin Dog
Just a little dose of reality

Sorry, there is no reality in your defeatist rant.

19 posted on 03/27/2006 10:00:38 AM PST by Marine Inspector (Government is not the solution to our problem; Government is the problem)
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To: Pukin Dog
Do you want to be right, or do you want to win?

False dichotomy whether one agrees with your premises or not.

20 posted on 03/27/2006 10:01:08 AM PST by palmer (Money problems do not come from a lack of money, but from living an excessive, unrealistic lifestyle)
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To: Pukin Dog

We won't win the Drug War either. Think can get Republicans to embrace legalizaion on that issue too?


21 posted on 03/27/2006 10:01:22 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: Bikers4Bush

how do you propose getting rid of 20 million people????, where do you hold them, how do you transport them???


22 posted on 03/27/2006 10:01:33 AM PST by markman46 (engage brain before using keyboard!!!)
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To: stylin19a
President Bush has bills passed by a republican Congress, and moved onward by a republican Senate. There is NO line-item veto. His party passes bills, and he signs them. He is a republican also.

Don't get too freaked out about the lack of vetoes.

23 posted on 03/27/2006 10:01:54 AM PST by mallardx
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To: Pukin Dog
Do you want to be right, or do you want to win?

Neither. I want to feel good. /lib sarc
24 posted on 03/27/2006 10:02:35 AM PST by jdm
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To: SC33

So we FReepers should compromise our principles (and do so during every mid-term election)? I don't think so. If a couple of Republicans lose their sets, so be it - that will be because they compromised their principles abandoning their platform and core constituency.


25 posted on 03/27/2006 10:03:02 AM PST by Daytyn71 (Today's Illegals are Tomorrow's Democrats)
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To: Pukin Dog

Wrong. THIS IS THE ISSUE - the survival of an American nation and culture. If Bush wins (and I don't doubt he will) we all lose.

In any case, I'd rather be right than President.


26 posted on 03/27/2006 10:03:05 AM PST by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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To: Flavius Josephus
Funny,
I was about to post the same thing about
"The Azteca Intifada"
27 posted on 03/27/2006 10:03:45 AM PST by norton
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To: Pukin Dog

I don't have any regard or respect for anyone who ignores the law. That goes for you, the illegals, and King George.

Take it back to Mexico where you illegals belong.

Have a nice walk back to Mexico!


28 posted on 03/27/2006 10:04:03 AM PST by Englishforever
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To: Pukin Dog





Mass Immigration = National Suicide


Those who do not control their own destiny, will have it controlled by others !


29 posted on 03/27/2006 10:04:08 AM PST by marc costanzo ("Pity those fools who know not victory nor defeat" - - T.R.)
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To: Pukin Dog

"Do you want to be right, or do you want to win?"

Barry Goldwater put it best "I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!"

Illegals should be sent packing - take away the benefits and enforce the rule of law. Whos country is this anyway?


30 posted on 03/27/2006 10:04:16 AM PST by sasafras ("Licentiousness destroyes order, and when chaos ensues, the yearning for order will destroy freedom.)
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To: Pukin Dog
Do you want to be right, or do you want to win? It is that simple.

Clintonism in two short questions.

31 posted on 03/27/2006 10:04:26 AM PST by Protagoras (The world is full of successful idiots and genius failures.)
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To: Pukin Dog
Whether you like it or not, much of the commerce of this country does depend on these folks to do jobs that Americans won’t do for the prevailing wage.

Why do you suppose the "prevailing wage" has dropped so low for those jobs? Business owners' desire for cheap, illegal labor should be answered with harsh penalties for hiring illegals.

32 posted on 03/27/2006 10:04:50 AM PST by Junior_G
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To: Pukin Dog
[ Do you want to be right, or do you want to win? It is that simple. ]

Exactly.. hold it; while I rearrange my definition of winning.. THERE... I agree.. Winning these days also takes a new look at loosing.. Must reconfigure that one too.. DONE..

NOW I'm ready for political WAR, or whatever its called now..

33 posted on 03/27/2006 10:05:01 AM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: markman46

Make 'em miserable - no services, welfare, fines on their employers, etc. They'll deport themselves.


34 posted on 03/27/2006 10:05:03 AM PST by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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To: Pukin Dog

You are right. We have lost. Over the last 20 or so years the problem has spiraled out of control. It (illegal immigration) is far beyond anything the government can or will handle no matter who is in power.


35 posted on 03/27/2006 10:05:09 AM PST by Roccus
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To: Pukin Dog

If there are bigger issues, which I doubt, this issue is part of those bigger issues.


36 posted on 03/27/2006 10:05:19 AM PST by Digger
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To: acrosoc101
Why do you sign up today at FR and spam every single thread with that post??????

You are doing the same thing over at REDSTATE

I got the message the first ten times you posted it.
37 posted on 03/27/2006 10:05:29 AM PST by Republican Red ("How good is it? Al-Jazeera gave it 4 1/2 pipe bombs")
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To: Pukin Dog
Get over it. There are bigger battles ahead.

Really? Like what? The problem with Republicans is we are always moving our line in the sand backwards as there are always "bigger battles ahead".

California may be lost, but I refuse to concede the rest of the US.

38 posted on 03/27/2006 10:05:33 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (What? Me worry?)
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To: markman46
how do you propose getting rid of 20 million people????, where do you hold them, how do you transport them???

By removing their inability to survive here - starving them out, in effect.

39 posted on 03/27/2006 10:05:37 AM PST by surely_you_jest
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To: Pukin Dog

Go puke your pablum on the other side of the border.


40 posted on 03/27/2006 10:05:42 AM PST by Mini-14
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To: Pukin Dog

Ah...another vanity from Pukin Dog that has wormed its way into "News/Activism." Seriously, PD, you have proved to wrong twice - on both the Harriet Miers and the DPW issues. Why don't you realize that your crystal ball is broken and save us your bizarre forecasts?


41 posted on 03/27/2006 10:07:04 AM PST by indcons (The MSM - Mainstream Slime Merchants)
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To: LS; acrosoc101; Pukin Dog
Immigration is THE issue that the 2008 winner will take---border enforcement. Whoever grabs that issue and runs with it.

This is my take on it, too. What it's too late for is Shamnesty ala McCainnedy style. $1000 fine?! Ridiculous, when they wouldn't pay the $75 for a Visa in the first place. We need a guestworker registry. If you're caught without being registered, you can never, ever be here as an immigrant. Period. EVER.
42 posted on 03/27/2006 10:07:13 AM PST by Froufrou
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To: Englishforever

"King George" comment and sign up day 3/27/06

Hmmmmmmm

Just proved Pukin Dog's point.


43 posted on 03/27/2006 10:07:19 AM PST by Republican Red ("How good is it? Al-Jazeera gave it 4 1/2 pipe bombs")
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To: markman46
how do you propose getting rid of 20 million people????

Stop giving them a reason to be here and they will leave.

where do you hold them, how do you transport them???

We don't need to hold them all or transport them all. Take away there incentive to be here and they will deport themselves.

44 posted on 03/27/2006 10:08:04 AM PST by Marine Inspector (Government is not the solution to our problem; Government is the problem)
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To: Pukin Dog

I want to be right. If an amnesty goes through I will never again give a dime to a GOP candidate.


46 posted on 03/27/2006 10:08:17 AM PST by thoughtomator (Pacifism is objectively pro-terrorist)
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To: Pukin Dog
Do you want to be right, or do you want to win? It is that simple.

I want both, and it not as simple as you state. Better read this before you go off on another RANT - - We Don't Need 'Guest Workers'

47 posted on 03/27/2006 10:08:17 AM PST by p23185
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To: Pukin Dog
You are a fool if you think that amnesty will win anything for the GOP. I will not vote for any party that does not stand for law and order and kick out these invaders from Mexico that are criminals by any law we have on the books.

If I do not vote for the GOP, and my neighbor doesn't as well, look to Pelosi to be the next Speaker of the House. And her first order of business? Bring GWB up on charges.

What a wonderful outcome heel dragging on the immigration issue by GWB has caused. There is no good outcome for the GOP. It is time to face facts.
48 posted on 03/27/2006 10:09:19 AM PST by Final Authority
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how do you propose getting rid of 20 million people????, where do you hold them, how do you transport them???

Tent cities, and Cattle cars, works for me !!!!

49 posted on 03/27/2006 10:09:30 AM PST by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: Bikers4Bush
Anything other than securing the border and taking steps to rid ourselves of the illegal menace would be political suicide.

I could live with:

1) Securing the border, stop the invasion. 2) Enforce laws against hiring illegals. We need to level the playing field for the American labor worker. If an illegal makes $10/hr, an American has to make $20 an hour for the same job just to pay taxes and entitlements. 3) Legal or illegal, if you break the law, face the consequence. An illegal immigrant has to break numerous laws every single day to live and work here illegally.

Illegals immigrants and those who hire them break the law because there is an economic advantage for them to do so.

50 posted on 03/27/2006 10:10:25 AM PST by IamConservative (Who does not trust a man of principle? A man who has none.)
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