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Bush will win on Immigration to save the Republican Party.

Posted on 03/27/2006 9:53:41 AM PST by Pukin Dog

Just a little dose of reality for some of you going nuts over the Immigration issue, because there is NO chance that you will win on the border enforcement issue. No chance whatsoever. Only after a migrant worker program passes, making most of these illegal aliens legal, is there any chance at all to have meaningful border enforcement.

Bush is not running for office anymore, but the Republican Congress is in need of a big victory in November. This issue will kill our chances to maintain the majority, and knowing that, Bush will likely veto any bill making illegal immigration a felony, if that bill does not include the migrant worker program (call it amnesty if you want) needed to hold onto Business and Hispanic support for the Republican Party.

The Illegal Immigration Genie is out of the bottle, folks. You can’t stuff her back in without losing the House and/or Senate in November. Pragmatic minds will rule in the end, and that is a bitter pill you best swallow now.

FReepers can’t will elections for the Republican Party, but we sure can go a long way towards losing them, if we can’t put our common sense ahead of our passions on this issue. I live in San Diego County, and I see the problems with illegal immigration on a daily basis.

Whether you like it or not, much of the commerce of this country does depend on these folks to do jobs that Americans won’t do for the prevailing wage.

So, you have a choice, you can demand the border enforcement bills on their own, or you can swallow hard and consider everything you will lose if we turn off 10-15% of the electorate, in addition to the business community that depends on these workers. Yeah, they broke the law, and so do the people who hire them.

So what?

Yeah, I said it, SO WHAT? The time to be worried about that was when there were REAL Republican majorities in the Border States. It is too late now. This is a problem that cannot be solved, but only managed.

It is possible to be right and stupid at the same time. Pete Wilson tried this a few years ago, got all kinds of support for it. It passed, and Pete Wilson is gone. Then a judge overturned it anyway. That is exactly what you can expect to happen with these current bills as well. Some judge will put an injunction on enforcement, but by the time that happens, we will be knee-deep into impeachment proceeding under a Democrat Congress.

Bush won’t let that happen, neither will smarter members of the Senate and House. You won’t win, you can’t win, but you can shoot yourself and the Republican party in the head (even if you are not a member) by pursuing a program that does not include amnesty or whatever you want to call it.

We lost this one.

Get over it. There are bigger battles ahead.


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To: Pukin Dog

We won't win the Drug War either. Think can get Republicans to embrace legalizaion on that issue too?


21 posted on 03/27/2006 10:01:22 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: Bikers4Bush

how do you propose getting rid of 20 million people????, where do you hold them, how do you transport them???


22 posted on 03/27/2006 10:01:33 AM PST by markman46 (engage brain before using keyboard!!!)
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To: stylin19a
President Bush has bills passed by a republican Congress, and moved onward by a republican Senate. There is NO line-item veto. His party passes bills, and he signs them. He is a republican also.

Don't get too freaked out about the lack of vetoes.

23 posted on 03/27/2006 10:01:54 AM PST by mallardx
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To: Pukin Dog
Do you want to be right, or do you want to win?

Neither. I want to feel good. /lib sarc
24 posted on 03/27/2006 10:02:35 AM PST by jdm
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To: SC33

So we FReepers should compromise our principles (and do so during every mid-term election)? I don't think so. If a couple of Republicans lose their sets, so be it - that will be because they compromised their principles abandoning their platform and core constituency.


25 posted on 03/27/2006 10:03:02 AM PST by Daytyn71 (Today's Illegals are Tomorrow's Democrats)
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To: Pukin Dog

Wrong. THIS IS THE ISSUE - the survival of an American nation and culture. If Bush wins (and I don't doubt he will) we all lose.

In any case, I'd rather be right than President.


26 posted on 03/27/2006 10:03:05 AM PST by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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To: Flavius Josephus
Funny,
I was about to post the same thing about
"The Azteca Intifada"
27 posted on 03/27/2006 10:03:45 AM PST by norton
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To: Pukin Dog

I don't have any regard or respect for anyone who ignores the law. That goes for you, the illegals, and King George.

Take it back to Mexico where you illegals belong.

Have a nice walk back to Mexico!


28 posted on 03/27/2006 10:04:03 AM PST by Englishforever
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To: Pukin Dog





Mass Immigration = National Suicide


Those who do not control their own destiny, will have it controlled by others !


29 posted on 03/27/2006 10:04:08 AM PST by marc costanzo ("Pity those fools who know not victory nor defeat" - - T.R.)
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To: Pukin Dog

"Do you want to be right, or do you want to win?"

Barry Goldwater put it best "I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!"

Illegals should be sent packing - take away the benefits and enforce the rule of law. Whos country is this anyway?


30 posted on 03/27/2006 10:04:16 AM PST by sasafras ("Licentiousness destroyes order, and when chaos ensues, the yearning for order will destroy freedom.)
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To: Pukin Dog
Do you want to be right, or do you want to win? It is that simple.

Clintonism in two short questions.

31 posted on 03/27/2006 10:04:26 AM PST by Protagoras (The world is full of successful idiots and genius failures.)
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To: Pukin Dog
Whether you like it or not, much of the commerce of this country does depend on these folks to do jobs that Americans won’t do for the prevailing wage.

Why do you suppose the "prevailing wage" has dropped so low for those jobs? Business owners' desire for cheap, illegal labor should be answered with harsh penalties for hiring illegals.

32 posted on 03/27/2006 10:04:50 AM PST by Junior_G
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To: Pukin Dog
[ Do you want to be right, or do you want to win? It is that simple. ]

Exactly.. hold it; while I rearrange my definition of winning.. THERE... I agree.. Winning these days also takes a new look at loosing.. Must reconfigure that one too.. DONE..

NOW I'm ready for political WAR, or whatever its called now..

33 posted on 03/27/2006 10:05:01 AM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: markman46

Make 'em miserable - no services, welfare, fines on their employers, etc. They'll deport themselves.


34 posted on 03/27/2006 10:05:03 AM PST by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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To: Pukin Dog

You are right. We have lost. Over the last 20 or so years the problem has spiraled out of control. It (illegal immigration) is far beyond anything the government can or will handle no matter who is in power.


35 posted on 03/27/2006 10:05:09 AM PST by Roccus
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To: Pukin Dog

If there are bigger issues, which I doubt, this issue is part of those bigger issues.


36 posted on 03/27/2006 10:05:19 AM PST by Digger
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To: acrosoc101
Why do you sign up today at FR and spam every single thread with that post??????

You are doing the same thing over at REDSTATE

I got the message the first ten times you posted it.
37 posted on 03/27/2006 10:05:29 AM PST by Republican Red ("How good is it? Al-Jazeera gave it 4 1/2 pipe bombs")
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To: Pukin Dog
Get over it. There are bigger battles ahead.

Really? Like what? The problem with Republicans is we are always moving our line in the sand backwards as there are always "bigger battles ahead".

California may be lost, but I refuse to concede the rest of the US.

38 posted on 03/27/2006 10:05:33 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (What? Me worry?)
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To: markman46
how do you propose getting rid of 20 million people????, where do you hold them, how do you transport them???

By removing their inability to survive here - starving them out, in effect.

39 posted on 03/27/2006 10:05:37 AM PST by surely_you_jest
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To: Pukin Dog

Go puke your pablum on the other side of the border.


40 posted on 03/27/2006 10:05:42 AM PST by Mini-14
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