Skip to comments.Bush will win on Immigration to save the Republican Party.
Posted on 03/27/2006 9:53:41 AM PST by Pukin Dog
Just a little dose of reality for some of you going nuts over the Immigration issue, because there is NO chance that you will win on the border enforcement issue. No chance whatsoever. Only after a migrant worker program passes, making most of these illegal aliens legal, is there any chance at all to have meaningful border enforcement.
Bush is not running for office anymore, but the Republican Congress is in need of a big victory in November. This issue will kill our chances to maintain the majority, and knowing that, Bush will likely veto any bill making illegal immigration a felony, if that bill does not include the migrant worker program (call it amnesty if you want) needed to hold onto Business and Hispanic support for the Republican Party.
The Illegal Immigration Genie is out of the bottle, folks. You cant stuff her back in without losing the House and/or Senate in November. Pragmatic minds will rule in the end, and that is a bitter pill you best swallow now.
FReepers cant will elections for the Republican Party, but we sure can go a long way towards losing them, if we cant put our common sense ahead of our passions on this issue. I live in San Diego County, and I see the problems with illegal immigration on a daily basis.
Whether you like it or not, much of the commerce of this country does depend on these folks to do jobs that Americans wont do for the prevailing wage.
So, you have a choice, you can demand the border enforcement bills on their own, or you can swallow hard and consider everything you will lose if we turn off 10-15% of the electorate, in addition to the business community that depends on these workers. Yeah, they broke the law, and so do the people who hire them.
Yeah, I said it, SO WHAT? The time to be worried about that was when there were REAL Republican majorities in the Border States. It is too late now. This is a problem that cannot be solved, but only managed.
It is possible to be right and stupid at the same time. Pete Wilson tried this a few years ago, got all kinds of support for it. It passed, and Pete Wilson is gone. Then a judge overturned it anyway. That is exactly what you can expect to happen with these current bills as well. Some judge will put an injunction on enforcement, but by the time that happens, we will be knee-deep into impeachment proceeding under a Democrat Congress.
Bush wont let that happen, neither will smarter members of the Senate and House. You wont win, you cant win, but you can shoot yourself and the Republican party in the head (even if you are not a member) by pursuing a program that does not include amnesty or whatever you want to call it.
We lost this one.
Get over it. There are bigger battles ahead.
It is that simple.
I want to be right.
I don't think you understand. The Azteca Intifada has just erupted in the Barrio Archepelago.
Pukin', you're 180 degrees off. Immigration is THE issue that the 2008 winner will take---border enforcement. Whoever grabs that issue and runs with it (Tancredo is just too small potatoes---I mean, whichever major figure) wins. It's that simple. So, yes, we can be right and win.
If there is any type of guest worker amnesty whatsoever the gop will lose big in November.
This issue is a win for them if they follow the rule of law and side with the 80% of Americans who want our immigration laws enforced and our borders closed and secured.
Anything other than securing the border and taking steps to rid ourselves of the illegal menace would be political suicide.
If what you say is true, it's not just us freepers that are screwed, the Republican party will reap the whirlwind in the fall no matter what they do. The country is on the wrong track and there's nothing like a little gridlock to slow the train down. Frankly, if Bush didn't do anything wrong he doesn't need to worry about impeachment, now does he?
They'll lose far more support if they betray us.
I like that. That's exactly what it is.
As do I - will keep track how everyone of my congresscritters vote and take that into account next time they are up for re-election (most this Nov). I will reward them according to what I believe is right for this country. We are based on the "RULE OF LAW" and every stinking one of these illegal aliens are ILLEGAL. End of discussion - watch the election this fall and weep.
"My peons are so stupid, they won't figure it out for years."
It's mostly small businesses who hire the illegals. Faced with not surviving in business due to onerous garbage laws, they hire Mexicans who are eager for the work.
If the regulation was erased and American low-wage workers couldn't demand all the goodies, American business could hire American workers and Mexicans wouldn't be so attractive.
Getting rid of Minimum wage laws and such is the answer IMO and that's not going to happen anytime soon.
Where's the barf alert for this piece?
Sorry, there is no reality in your defeatist rant.
False dichotomy whether one agrees with your premises or not.
We won't win the Drug War either. Think can get Republicans to embrace legalizaion on that issue too?
how do you propose getting rid of 20 million people????, where do you hold them, how do you transport them???
Don't get too freaked out about the lack of vetoes.
So we FReepers should compromise our principles (and do so during every mid-term election)? I don't think so. If a couple of Republicans lose their sets, so be it - that will be because they compromised their principles abandoning their platform and core constituency.
Wrong. THIS IS THE ISSUE - the survival of an American nation and culture. If Bush wins (and I don't doubt he will) we all lose.
In any case, I'd rather be right than President.
I don't have any regard or respect for anyone who ignores the law. That goes for you, the illegals, and King George.
Take it back to Mexico where you illegals belong.
Have a nice walk back to Mexico!
"Do you want to be right, or do you want to win?"
Barry Goldwater put it best "I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!"
Illegals should be sent packing - take away the benefits and enforce the rule of law. Whos country is this anyway?
Clintonism in two short questions.
Why do you suppose the "prevailing wage" has dropped so low for those jobs? Business owners' desire for cheap, illegal labor should be answered with harsh penalties for hiring illegals.
Exactly.. hold it; while I rearrange my definition of winning.. THERE... I agree.. Winning these days also takes a new look at loosing.. Must reconfigure that one too.. DONE..
NOW I'm ready for political WAR, or whatever its called now..
Make 'em miserable - no services, welfare, fines on their employers, etc. They'll deport themselves.
You are right. We have lost. Over the last 20 or so years the problem has spiraled out of control. It (illegal immigration) is far beyond anything the government can or will handle no matter who is in power.
If there are bigger issues, which I doubt, this issue is part of those bigger issues.
Really? Like what? The problem with Republicans is we are always moving our line in the sand backwards as there are always "bigger battles ahead".
California may be lost, but I refuse to concede the rest of the US.
By removing their inability to survive here - starving them out, in effect.
Go puke your pablum on the other side of the border.
Ah...another vanity from Pukin Dog that has wormed its way into "News/Activism." Seriously, PD, you have proved to wrong twice - on both the Harriet Miers and the DPW issues. Why don't you realize that your crystal ball is broken and save us your bizarre forecasts?
"King George" comment and sign up day 3/27/06
Just proved Pukin Dog's point.
Stop giving them a reason to be here and they will leave.
where do you hold them, how do you transport them???
We don't need to hold them all or transport them all. Take away there incentive to be here and they will deport themselves.
I want to be right. If an amnesty goes through I will never again give a dime to a GOP candidate.
I want both, and it not as simple as you state. Better read this before you go off on another RANT - - We Don't Need 'Guest Workers'
Tent cities, and Cattle cars, works for me !!!!
I could live with:
1) Securing the border, stop the invasion. 2) Enforce laws against hiring illegals. We need to level the playing field for the American labor worker. If an illegal makes $10/hr, an American has to make $20 an hour for the same job just to pay taxes and entitlements. 3) Legal or illegal, if you break the law, face the consequence. An illegal immigrant has to break numerous laws every single day to live and work here illegally.
Illegals immigrants and those who hire them break the law because there is an economic advantage for them to do so.
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