Natalee Holloway Extended Discussion Thread 20

1 posted on 04/19/2006 10:32:20 AM PDT by RGVTx

To: shebacal; justche; Canadian Outrage; deetch; No Surrender No Retreat; MAWG; Malichi; IIntense; ...

2 posted on 04/19/2006 10:36:11 AM PDT by RGVTx (Boycott Aruba/NL products list http://ashvickers.tripod.com/id2.html)

Thanks for the ping! I am praying that this will turn into something of consequence for Beth and Dave.

3 posted on 04/19/2006 10:37:19 AM PDT by Froufrou

You've been discussing this one missing person for over 20 THREADS?

Wow. I still change the channel whenever they mention her name. I have to admire your perserverance.

I've been missing my 22-ounce hammer ever since I moved from my old house in 1996. Anybody want to start a thread about that, I think it's buried in the landfill somewhere but I won't discount the theory that someone lifted it from my house on a sales tour, or that I accidentally enclosed it in a wall, or even that it was taken by aliens (the space kind, not the illegal kind).

4 posted on 04/19/2006 10:37:45 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT

Can someone please supply the following hard data:

When did Miss Holloway arrive in Aruba? What was the scheduled departure time of the return flight she was supposed to have been on?

5 posted on 04/19/2006 10:38:14 AM PDT by wideawake

To: CharlesWayneCT

It (your mising hammer) may have been used in the Holloway disappearance, y'know.

6 posted on 04/19/2006 10:39:00 AM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)

Could be, but I don't think it's in the same landfill.

7 posted on 04/19/2006 10:40:53 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT

Thanks RGVTx for the new thread. Of course like with anything new there are a few kinks that need to worked out.

Uh, MAWG, could you give me a hand?

TAW

8 posted on 04/19/2006 10:45:30 AM PDT by Malichi (!)

To: CharlesWayneCT

It's not your missing hammer you should be worried about. It's your missing peanut shells and rubberband that should have you concerned. You're hanging in the breeze, bud, and it ain't a pretty sight.

9 posted on 04/19/2006 10:50:28 AM PDT by RGVTx (Boycott Aruba/NL products list http://ashvickers.tripod.com/id2.html)

Sooooooo that's what happened to the peanut shell and rubber band.

TAW

10 posted on 04/19/2006 10:52:50 AM PDT by Malichi (!)

To: CharlesWayneCT

You should have seen the grief I got even mentioning Big Media spend 30 seconds of the 24/7 Natalee coverage on helping other parents of "Missing & Exploited Children".

11 posted on 04/19/2006 10:59:11 AM PDT by TexasCajun

12 posted on 04/19/2006 10:59:17 AM PDT by Deguello

13 posted on 04/19/2006 11:02:41 AM PDT by pamlet

14 posted on 04/19/2006 11:06:21 AM PDT by varina davis

RGVTx,

That's pretty funny. Don't you love those that say move on or the media is responsible for this.

Do people still just sit in front of a television and watch news talked at them anymore?

Is that possible?

15 posted on 04/19/2006 11:16:50 AM PDT by deetch (Frank)

Thanks for your good work in posting the new thread.

Now that it has come to #20, we will undoubtedly be seeing that poster that was so fixated on #20, can't remember his name, and it's a long way back to find it.

Not to worry, though, when he sees the magic number, he will be here in a flash.

If anyone comes across GvC in the EPI high school on Aruba, or any reference to when GvC worked for Red Sails Sports, please post it.

16 posted on 04/19/2006 11:27:57 AM PDT by shebacal

Thanks, RGVTx. I think when we moved from Smokey Room 19 to 20, the door was left open. :)

17 posted on 04/19/2006 11:31:20 AM PDT by presently no screen name

When did Miss Holloway arrive in Aruba?

There is a timeline posted here:

http://rjames.com/forums/archive/index.php?t-67.html

snip...
Thursday, May 26 (2005)
4:00 am?..Natalee, 123 MB kids from several schools & 7 chaperones meet for ride to airport
Natalee takes NO credit card to Aruba, according to her mother Beth Twitty
???..Natalee & MB group arrive in Aruba/check in at Holiday Inn SunSpree Resort.
Hotel package all inclusive. Price includes room plus all meals and all drinks
Natalee changes rooms once, ending up with 3 friends in room 7114 on ground floor
8:00 pm..Soul Beach Festival casino party & after party @ Royal Cabana Casino
??? pm..Some MBHS students see Joran van der Sloot in Holiday Inn Excelsior Casino
..Joran gets into fight at casino with Natalee’s cousin Thomas Twitty, a football player

What was the scheduled departure time of the return flight she was supposed to have been on?

snip...
Monday, May 30 (2005)
8:00 am..Chaperones go to all the MB kids’ hotel rooms, make sure all awake.
Chaperones take headcount and notice Natalee is missing.
8:30 am..MBHS group meets in lobby of Holiday Inn for another head count. No one has seen Natalee.
9:00 am?..Two “beach bums” don’t report for work at a local surfshop. Both still missing without a trace.
10:30 am..MBHS group meets again in Holiday Inn lobby.
Natalee’s roommates bring her luggage, purse & cellphone to lobby because checking out
MBHS group leaves hotel for airport
One male chaperone stays behind and books later flight for Natalee, hoping she will show up
11:30 am..Chaperone contacts hotel and beach patrol to report Natalee missing
Chaperonoe thinks beach patrol is reporting disappearance to police, but they don’t

18 posted on 04/19/2006 11:43:16 AM PDT by shebacal

To: shebacal; All

Transcript: Stunning Development in Holloway Case
Tuesday, April 18, 2006

This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," April 17, 2006. It has been edited for clarity.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Why did Aruban police arrest another Dutch teen? Who is he, and can he lead them to Natalee Holloway?

Joining us by videophone in Aruba is Aruban attorney Arlene Ellis Schipper. Arlene, very limited information here in the United States. We know he's 19, and we know he's going to court tomorrow. His initials are "G.V.C."

Do you know anything more that you can tell us?

ARLENE ELLIS SCHIPPER, ARUBAN ATTORNEY: Well, the information is limited in Aruba, as well, Greta. The police have confirmed that they have arrested a boy of 19 years old by the initials "G.V.C." indeed. We don't know what the counts are yet and which role he is suspected to have played, but it is related to the Holloway case, and it is considered a major development here, as well.

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you know if he's formally charged or going to be formally charged, or is he held as a witness?

SCHIPPER: This is the same discussion as we had before, Greta. The word "charge" is not in our legal lingo here and it creates confusion, as we have seen before already. What I can tell you is that witnesses aren't arrested in Aruba, so he is considered a suspect. We shouldn't jump to conclusions, though, on how big a suspect he is. We don't know that. We don't know whether he will replace Joran as a suspect or whether he was added to the case. All that will have to turn up in time.

What we do know, however, is that the prosecution has decided already to extend his police detention for eight more days.

VAN SUSTEREN: We hear his initials, "G.V.C." Why don't we hear his name? Is that the way it's done in Aruba?

SCHIPPER: That's the way how the Dutch system is done. That was also with Joran van der Sloot. It was the media that brought out the name. But officially here, it's protected to just the initials because as you know, our system allows an early arrest on the basis of suspicion. That doesn't necessarily mean that, in the end, you definitively have done that. So there's a very strict protection on the suspect's identity.

VAN SUSTEREN: Arlene, we've heard two things. We've heard, number one, that he works some sort of beach patrol, and number two, that he's a little bit of a beach bum, that he hangs out on the beach. Are you hearing either one of those? Can you confirm either one?

SCHIPPER: Well, I cannot confirm either. The most rumors that I have heard is that he is working on the beach, not necessarily on a patrol. I think that's a mix-up between the father and son. But I would have to say that I cannot confirm either.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. [On Tuesday] he goes to court. Why to court? What happens at this stage?

SCHIPPER: Well, as you may know, under the human rights and under European treaties, a suspect has to see a judge of instruction on the third day, and that is tomorrow, the third day of his detention. What the judge of instruction will do, he will check whether the arrest was made justfully. So he will check whether he can be qualified as a suspect.

Remember, Paulus van der Sloot was not supposed to be qualified as a suspect, and then released. And then he will also check whether the right procedure has been followed. Was he read his rights? Was he treated the right way, et cetera.

But the decision whether the extension of the police custody will go on, that is the decision of the prosecution.

VAN SUSTEREN: He was picked up by the police, arrested by the police. Is that done by the police alone, or does the prosecutor have to sign off on that initial detention?

SCHIPPER: Exactly. The prosecutor has to sign off because he was not caught in the act of something. So when you are not caught in the act, then it's similar to a warrant of an arrest. The prosecutor issues that.

VAN SUSTEREN: So I trust that since Joran van der Sloot and the two Kalpoe brothers were detained the first eight days in a police station and interrogated there, then taken off later to the Aruban correctional facility, that's what will happen here?

SCHIPPER: Exactly. After the 48 hours, which we have passed already, there's an extension of the police detention. The police detention is completely done at the police station. After that, you will have a hearing, where the court decides whether he will go in pre-trial detention. And then he will be, if that is the case, transported to KIA, which is the local prison.

VAN SUSTEREN: Arlene, this arrest has gotten a tremendous amount of attention here in the United States. Is it getting attention in Aruba?

SCHIPPER: Well, undoubtedly, yes, it will get attention tomorrow. Today is still Easter, and we celebrate two days of Easter. So I have to tell you that we don't even have a newspaper today. But tomorrow, I guarantee you the headlines will be filled, and the talk is already on the streets.

VAN SUSTEREN: Arlene, thank you, as always.

Joining us in Los Angeles is Natalee's mother, Beth Holloway Twitty. Good evening, Beth.

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE'S MOTHER: Hi, Greta.

VAN SUSTEREN: Beth, when did you first hear that someone had been detained?

TWITTY: Well, it was Saturday evening, Greta. I guess maybe it was around 9 p.m., Saturday evening.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did you get the heads-up this was going to happen? Not that you would in the United States. I don't mean to suggest you would here. But did you get the heads-up?

TWITTY: Oh, yes. John Kelly called immediately when — I guess once he had received the information from Karin Janssen and told me about the arrest — and you know, just grateful to have the knowledge of it before the media did, Greta.

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you know why "G.V.C." has been arrested?

TWITTY: No, I don't. I don't have any idea, Greta. If it's from involvement to just information, I just have no idea right now.

VAN SUSTEREN: Beth, you scoured that island all last summer and into the fall. Ever come upon his name before or hear anything about him?

TWITTY: No. You know, there's no part of him that we have, you know, heard about or discussed or anything. So you know, it's just a totally new person that, you know, has shown up. So just don't know.

VAN SUSTEREN: I imagine you're immensely curious, to put it lightly.

TWITTY: I really am. I'm really curious, you know, I think what I'm wanting to find out so desperately is, you know, is it information versus involvement, Greta? I think that, for some reason, you know, I just, you know, am anxious to hear, you know, where they're coming from in arresting him.

VAN SUSTEREN: And I suppose you don't want to get your hopes up too high. I mean, this could be, you know, a dead end, as well, I mean, a false lead.

TWITTY: Right. You know, and John warned me, you know, when he spoke with me Saturday night, you know, just to be guardedly optimistic. But I'm just glad that movement is happening in the investigation. I mean, I think we were facing, you know, absolutely nothing. And you know, so this is this is positive. And you know, maybe it will yield something.

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you have any information or have you heard anything whether or not he any has connection to Deepak, Satish and Joran?

TWITTY: No, nothing definitively. I think that the word is out that he, you know, he has met them. I'm not so sure as to how much they had, you know, hung around together, not to anywhere the extent, I don't think, that he and Deepak and Satish did. I'm not certain of the connection with Steven Croes, either, Greta.

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you know if your daughter ever met him before? Have you spoken to any of her friends since he's been arrested and his picture's been up on the screen — whether they recognize him?

TWITTY: You know, I haven't had a chance to speak with them about that. But you know, I think there were some rumors circulating earlier on, maybe in the fall, about Natalee had met someone — a blue-eyed Dutch national — and it's just simply not true. There just was no truth to the rumors that were coming out of Aruba that Natalee had met him.

VAN SUSTEREN: So you don't know if maybe she'd met him earlier in the trip or anything like that. When we talked about meeting a Dutch national, you made the assumption it was Joran and not somebody else?

TWITTY: Right. You know, I think this was coming out of the "Vanity Fair" article, Greta, when they were trying to say that Natalee had somewhat been irresponsible or, you know, when those accusations were coming out. I think and we're way past that, but as far as her meeting him, I just don't think that that was happening there.

VAN SUSTEREN: "G.V.C." goes to court [on Tuesday]. Judge of instruction will make a determination whether to continue his detention. How closely do you follow that, or do you try to sort of set that aside so your hopes don't get built up?

TWITTY: No, I'm going to be really anxiously waiting tomorrow, Greta. I think that's going to be something I want to see. I mean, I'm just anxious to see if they feel that they've, you know, brought enough evidence forward, and the prosecution feels that they can, you know, get the judge of instruction to detain him for an additional eight days. I'm just going to be so anxious to get through tomorrow to see what happens.

VAN SUSTEREN: I realize this is wild speculation, but you know, we all keep thinking about this case, or at least many of us. Do you think that the prosecution thinks he's involved in the disappearance, or that he simply may have heard something later or provided some assistance?

TWITTY: I don't know, and that's what I'm so anxious to find out about, if it's involvement or if it's information. And you know, for some reason, I'm just leaning towards that possibly he has some information that he could share with us about what happened that night.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

VAN SUSTEREN: In a surprise to all, Aruban police arrest a 19 year old in connection with the Natalee Holloway investigation. Natalee's mother, Beth Holloway Twitty, is still with us from LA.

Beth, for the last nine months, we've been exploring almost every possible angle in terms of that after she left Carlos and Charlie's with Deepak, Satish and Joran, as to what might have happened. Is there any evidence or any information at all that makes you think that maybe she made it back to the Holiday Inn for at least a short period that morning?

TWITTY: No. Absolutely not, Greta. And when I think of Joran van der Sloot and when I think of Steven Croes and I think of this new suspect and the lies that were coming out early, very early, the moment we arrived on the island, if we find out that these three suspects are acquaintances or know each other — somebody needs to connect the dots. I mean, there certainly is a reason why Steven Croes came forward early on and stated, lied to the authorities that he had seen the two security guards taking Natalee. You know, people don't just do that for no reason, Greta. Somebody needs to connect the dots on those three, if they know each other.

VAN SUSTEREN: The Steven Croes thing is very curious. Now, he is or was a deejay on the Tattoo, which is a large tourist boat, is that right?

TWITTY: Right.

VAN SUSTEREN: And when he was picked up, he apparently went to the police station and he said that he saw Natalee get out of the car, stumble, and saw two black security guards, a bald-faced lie. Everyone admits that's a lie, right?

TWITTY: Right. And I don't even think that the police came to get him. I think he volunteered the information. I mean, he came forward just as a good-hearted Aruban citizen that wanted to give this information. So he just came willingly to lie to the authorities.

VAN SUSTEREN: Was anyone ever able to connect him to any of the three? Were they ever seen together? I mean, obviously, somebody knew somebody. It didn't happen out of the blue. But does anyone have hard evidence that Steve Croes had a relationship with any of them in particular?

TWITTY: No, and that's what's so frustrating, and I think that's what we need to know now. And I think we need to know with this new suspect if he does know Joran, if they have ever been together, if they are acquaintances, and the same with Steven Croes. There just has to be some connection between these individuals, if they do know each other.

VAN SUSTEREN: Natalee's room at the Holiday Inn was a first floor room, right?

TWITTY: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: Was there an ever any intrusion or bizarre attempt to get in that door by anybody during the time that she was in — not even just that night — but the time she was in Aruba?

TWITTY: Not that I'm aware of, Greta. No, nothing that I'm aware of.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did you ever hear of anything? I mean, I'm trying to sort of piece together my recollection, whether you know, thought I heard that maybe there'd been some effort by somebody earlier in the week.

TWITTY: You know, I don't know that. I really never heard anything definitively, if that was happening or not.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did you ever vaguely? I mean, I'm just trying to sort of pick your brain, at this point — hear it vaguely?

TWITTY: No. No, I haven't, Greta. I have not.

VAN SUSTEREN: I mean, that's almost the most difficult thing about this case, Beth, is trying to piece together what's fact, what we know, what we don't, because you know, we've covered so many miles on this and it's been so long with no real answers.

TWITTY: I'll be anxious to find out what this new suspect's father has a responsibility of on the island. Something that's concerned the family from early on were these, you know, security cameras that were not working at the Holiday Inn, or at least they said they were not working. I hope that there's no connection between, you know, video security cameras that they have at the hotels and the suspect's father. I'm just not certain what his responsibilities are in Aruba.

VAN SUSTEREN: And of course, it raises lots of very interesting questions, since his father does have the security business for the cameras, and we'd certainly like to have more videotape to try to piece this together as to what happened, if there is videotape. Beth, thank you.

TWITTY: Thank you, Greta.

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19 posted on 04/19/2006 11:47:13 AM PDT by RGVTx (Boycott Aruba/NL products list http://ashvickers.tripod.com/id2.html)

20 posted on 04/19/2006 11:50:02 AM PDT by wideawake

Did New Holloway Suspect Know Natalee?
Wednesday, April 19, 2006

This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," April 18, 2006. It has been edited for clarity.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: John, there's another eight days that this man is going to be detained, "G.V.C." What do you think about that?

JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY FAMILY ATTORNEY: Well, it's encouraging. It means that a judge determined that there was sufficient evidence to support the prosecutor's decision to hold him for another eight days.

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you have any idea why "G.V.C." is being detained? We have the public statement, but it doesn't tell us a whole lot.

KELLY: You know what, Greta? I actually do. The problem is — and I know you know that, you know, when I got involved, it's taken months to sort of build that bridge to the prosecutor's office and overcome a lot of obstacles. And she's very diligent now. She's sharing a fair amount of information with me for the family, and I can't discuss a lot of this right now.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. Is it fair to say that when you were on the show the other night, you were sort of lukewarm on whether this was a huge step forward or not? And if so, what's the temperature tonight?

KELLY: It's risen a little bit, Greta. That's a good way of putting it.

VAN SUSTEREN: So you think this is more important than you thought earlier?

KELLY: It could be. I'm not saying it definitely is, but it could be significant, and you know, we're still in the wait-and-see mode, though.

VAN SUSTEREN: It's interesting because in the statement issued by the chief prosecutor's office, it talked about detained also in connection not just with Natalee Holloway's disappearance, but illegal narcotics. Had you heard about this before?

KELLY: I had from the prosecutor's office right after this broke. Yes, I had discussed that with Ms. Janssen.

VAN SUSTEREN: Is the illegal narcotics separate and apart, like an unrelated matter, or is it linked to Natalee Holloway? Because illegal narcotics, for all we know, could be from some drug deal seven months ago.

KELLY: Sure, it could. Once again, I can't say, Greta, but as I say, they're all related. He was charged with that when he was first told he was being arrested on Saturday evening.

VAN SUSTEREN: John, what I heard a little bit earlier today from someone I spoke to in Aruba is that the lawyer for "G.V.C." is also the lawyer — it's a woman — who represented Steve Croes, who is the man who came forward with the false alibi to the police which supported lie number one of Deepak, Satish and Joran. Do you know anything about the lawyer representing both Steve Croes and now "G.V.C."?

KELLY: I know that's the situation. It's a woman, and that is the person who represented Croes and would be representing this individual now. And actually, Ms. Janssen, when I talked to her today, she was just getting ready to turn over the dossier to "G.V.C.'s" attorney for review before they did go into court.

VAN SUSTEREN: Now, Steve Croes, John — it was sort of a curious thing. He came forward seemingly out of the blue and said that he witnessed Deepak, Satish and Joran dropping Natalee off at the Holiday Inn and stumbling, and then two security guards coming up. That was a complete lie that he sort of volunteered, went to the police. He was taken into custody. He was then released. Is he free and clear of all of this, or is he still somewhat in the mix?

KELLY: Actually, there's a rather large mix still. I mean, I know Joran's attorneys have been stating that he doesn't know this individual, which I have no reason to doubt. But I've also been told that GVC has involvement with other people that are involved with the three principal suspects. So if you sort of bridge the gap there and look at Croes, you can try to speculate a little bit there as to what's going on.

VAN SUSTEREN: Then it's bizarre that this lawyer would represent both Steve Croes and GVC because at least here in the United States, I think most lawyers would say that there is a potential for conflict of interest and a lawyer shouldn't be representing both.

KELLY: I think that's right. But you know, when you're talking about the first 48 hours, and you know, looking for counsel right way, I think that's what happened. Once she reviews the dossier, she herself may decide — and you know, rightfully so — there is a conflict there and have to advise him to seek other counsel.

VAN SUSTEREN: I mean, things are obviously done differently in Aruba, but you would at least hear — the prosecutor would give everybody the heads-up in court that there's a potential conflict. You wouldn't even get the dossier to the lawyer so another lawyer can be brought in before there's that problem.

KELLY: Well, I don't know if it's the prosecutor's obligation, especially down there. I think it's the obligation of the attorney representing the client to make that determination.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

VAN SUSTEREN: How are your clients, Beth and Dave Holloway — how are they taking this news?

KELLY: They're on pins and needles, Greta. You know, we try to downplay expectations. We try to be very cautious, to say the least, in how we view any new developments. But on the other hand, you at some point want to feel some encouragement. And you know, they're just in a "wait and see" mode. They hope that this develops into something. They hope for some resolution, and they want to bring Natalee home. And you know, if this is the answer or the start of getting some answers, then that'd be terrific.

VAN SUSTEREN: And it's so regrettable if everyone gets sort of hopped up that finally, there'll be a resolution, if it turns out that this was simply a false lead.

KELLY: Well, you know what, Greta? That's true. And I would hope, at this point, the Aruban authorities have learned their lesson from so many missteps in the past that they'd be acutely aware of the possibility of raised expectations and that they would not take such drastic steps, if they thought it would just be another, you know, deflated balloon at the end. So hopefully, we're onto something, but we've got to be very cautious and we've got to let it develop in the way they want it to.

VAN SUSTEREN: Except I can't fully blame them if this sort of gets hyped up because we in the media are sort of up to our eyeballs in terms of being interested and fascinated. I mean, they actually rather quietly went out and arrested him on Saturday, and they followed the procedure. They're not issuing any, you know — you know, huge statements out there. So if it gets sort of larger than life, this one isn't in the prosecutor's lap, I don't think.

KELLY: No, no, no. In fact, Greta, they did not go out and arrest this individual. They were just questioning him as a witness. And after about six hours of talking to him, they then made the decision to detain him and arrest him, so as a result of just the questioning, and not you know, forethought to go out and arrest him that resulted in this.

So they've been very cautious. Any time I've talked to Ms. Janssen, she's been very cautious in what she's told me, downplayed all expectations, told me to relay that to the family also. Their press release has been no more than a couple sentences. And they're playing it just the way they should. So I can't say anything, you know, bad about the way they've handled it so far.

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you know if Chief Deputy Dompig, who has resigned from the case — whether or not he know the father of "G.V.C.," the father who runs the security business?

KELLY: I don't have any direct knowledge. I've got to think that, you know, the deputy chief would have been familiar, at least, with the one who is responsible for the safety along the public beaches, the visibility patrol. Just a guess but, you know, I would think they would have had to cross paths at some point.

VAN SUSTEREN: Any information at all or any sort of suspicion that Natalee might have known or might know "G.V.C." even before the night of May 30 or the early morning hours of May 30, when she disappeared?

KELLY: I've got that answer, but I can't give it to you, Greta. I'm sorry.

VAN SUSTEREN: OK.

KELLY: Don't try the guessing game. It's not going to work.

VAN SUSTEREN: No, I'm not trying a guessing game, I'm trying to pry, trying to peel back. But you know, nothing ventured, nothing gained...

KELLY: Absolutely.

VAN SUSTEREN: ... in terms of trying to get facts. You know, it's all about asking questions.

KELLY: Of course it is.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right, so eight days "G.V.C." is going to be in custody. I assume he's going to be interrogated, right?

KELLY: He was actually being interrogated during the course of today, before they were bringing him into court.

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you know the substance of his responses? I know you can't tell us, but do you know the substance of his responses?

KELLY: I've got some general ideas, once again, but no specifics.

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you know if the prosecutor is encouraged by the responses that she's getting closer to resolving what may have happened to Natalee?

KELLY: I'd describe her as energized.

VAN SUSTEREN: And that's different from how you've typically seen her?

KELLY: You know what? She's been pretty good lately. You know, we've been pushing a lot, and she's felt that, you know, she's getting a little more support now. I think she's been working really hard, Greta.

VAN SUSTEREN: Any thought or any information as to whether there's likely to be more arrests in the very near future?

KELLY: That's a possibility.

VAN SUSTEREN: Is that just sort of a visceral gut reaction, or do you — or have you heard something that makes you — that leads to you believe that?

KELLY: It's more than a gut reaction.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. So I guess that you've heard something. Any idea about this shirt that was found that apparently forensically was tied to "G.V.C."? Have you learned anything what that forensic tie is?

KELLY: Yes. None.

VAN SUSTEREN: None at all?

KELLY: None.

VAN SUSTEREN: Just his initials?

KELLY: The T-shirt has nothing to do with this arrest or what's going on right now.

VAN SUSTEREN: So what it was on Saturday that brought him in for questioning?

KELLY: All I can tell you is it was a combination of factors.

VAN SUSTEREN: A combination of factors related to the illegal drug that's mentioned in the public statement or something related to Natalee?

KELLY: A little bit of both, actually. And it was brought in, as I said, just from, for lack of a better term, chatter. And they wanted to follow up on things that were being said, and one thing led to another and it resulted in an arrest a little bit after 8 o'clock Saturday night.

VAN SUSTEREN: So the clock now begins to run, eight more days and interrogation. And maybe we'll learn some more information. John, as always, thank you.

KELLY: Sure, Greta. Thanks.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,192309,00.html

21 posted on 04/19/2006 11:57:27 AM PDT by RGVTx (Boycott Aruba/NL products list http://ashvickers.tripod.com/id2.html)

Disruptors are not welcome here. You WILL be reported to the Moderators. We've heard your crap for 11 months now. You dont like this thread, stay the hell off!

22 posted on 04/19/2006 11:57:37 AM PDT by MAWG (In the shadows, on permanent ambush duty.)

To: CharlesWayneCT

Get Lost! We dont like sidruptors here. I WILL report you to the Moderator if you contnue with your inane bullshit. You dont like this thread then stay the hell off. We dont want you here.

23 posted on 04/19/2006 11:58:57 AM PDT by MAWG (In the shadows, on permanent ambush duty.)

24 posted on 04/19/2006 12:04:25 PM PDT by Malichi (!)

At this point, after 11 months, I'm FED UP with these A$$holes coming on here and DISRUPTING. ENOUGH!

25 posted on 04/19/2006 12:08:05 PM PDT by MAWG (In the shadows, on permanent ambush duty.)

Thanks, MAWG ( Did I miss the tick, tick, tick?) hehe

26 posted on 04/19/2006 12:13:56 PM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts + Arbua is a cesspool)

http://www.diarioaruba.com/diaranzon/noticia/news6.html

They're Back

Oranjestad (aan): Here (one) can see various cameraman, soundman, and producers that came from America again for the recent developments in the case of Natalee Holloway at Aruba.

They are staying from morning until nightfall at edifice of court at beach, hoping that authorities will bring Geoffrey van Cromvoirt, the new arrested person, before the judge.

This not happening at Palace of Justice, but at Guard of Police itself.

(I believe the above statement refers to the judge and court going to arraign (or whatever it's called in Aruba) GvC in the jail, instead of in the courthouse)

27 posted on 04/19/2006 12:26:49 PM PDT by shebacal

You're welcome, and welcome to this thread.

28 posted on 04/19/2006 12:30:35 PM PDT by shebacal

Noooo, the grief you got is because you played the race card - which you never bothered to explain why it would matter if a pretty white girl was getting the coverage. How does that directly impact you?

29 posted on 04/19/2006 12:38:00 PM PDT by justche ("Art,, like morality, consists of drawing a line somewhere." G. K. Chesterton)

You have not heard my crap for 11 mths. Get a grip!

I've posted on 2 of these threads lately, questioning THE MEDIA COVERAGE only!!

Report all you want, I'm not intimidated!

I'll stay off YOUR Natalee threads if you promise to stop whining!

30 posted on 04/19/2006 12:44:21 PM PDT by TexasCajun

I think "sidruptors" should be a new word :)

31 posted on 04/19/2006 12:47:27 PM PDT by justche ("Art,, like morality, consists of drawing a line somewhere." G. K. Chesterton)

Sorry I confused you. It was my fault.

I should have stated "How long before Jesse and Al make statements like....."

32 posted on 04/19/2006 12:51:43 PM PDT by TexasCajun

33 posted on 04/19/2006 12:56:40 PM PDT by MAWG (In the shadows, on permanent ambush duty.)

I went ahead and posted a complaint - because you can play semantics all you want to - but at the end of the day - it was you that asked why a pretty white girl gets the coverage, not Al or Jesse - and it's you that came onto this thread specifically to be obnoxious. So just so you know, I'm the one who hit the abuse button.

34 posted on 04/19/2006 1:01:25 PM PDT by justche ("Art,, like morality, consists of drawing a line somewhere." G. K. Chesterton)

35 posted on 04/19/2006 1:13:50 PM PDT by MAWG (In the shadows, on permanent ambush duty.)

http://www.diarioaruba.com/diaranzon/noticia/news7.html
19 April, 2006

Case of Natalee Holloway once more a tourist attraction

Oranjestad(aan): During all the case of disappearance of Natalee Holloway, notice that not only did the case achieve attention of local press and international, but also of tourists, who were vacationing at Aruba.

At the beginning of the case here a year ago, there were several tourists who appeared at courthouse, and (threw up, vomitted) gave out photographs of the various suspects that were in the case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

Some tourists come to Aruba especially because it is close of the case here and to give out photographs.

Some of them were interested in achieving a good photograph that they can sell at certain magazines at America, or as souvenir.

Now that international press appears at Aruba once more, after a new suspect is detained, once more various tourists appeared at courthouse Tuesday, to give out photograph of Geoffrey van Cromvoirt, who is the new suspect in the case of the disappearance of the young American.

Diario did take notice and (threw up, vomitted) gave out photographs of some tourist that was present with a disposable camera, looking for an opportunity to give out photographs of the new suspect.

__________________________________________

This sounds like "The Revenge of Diario". You take pictures of us, so we will take pictures of you, and publish them, furthermore!!

36 posted on 04/19/2006 1:17:54 PM PDT by shebacal

This made me laugh - watch they'll start publishing their hotel figures with the avalanche of press there.

37 posted on 04/19/2006 1:22:07 PM PDT by justche ("Art, like morality, consists of drawing a line somewhere." G. K. Chesterton)

watch they'll start publishing their hotel figures

I would like to see thier recent hotel figures. I have saved the figures from '05 up to when they stopped publishing them in August, I think it was.

The recent months actual figures for American stay-over tourists might be very revealing as to what pressures are forming the Aruban government's attitude about processing Natalee's case to a resolution.

38 posted on 04/19/2006 1:36:35 PM PDT by shebacal

Bookmark new thread.

39 posted on 04/19/2006 2:05:57 PM PDT by Abigail Adams

BREAKING: Conversation recorded by the police between JVDS and Kalpoes.

40 posted on 04/19/2006 2:15:21 PM PDT by theophilusscribe

To: theophilusscribe

National Enquirer on Fox news - More arrests coming.... (We keep hearing this huh?)

41 posted on 04/19/2006 2:19:39 PM PDT by justche ("Art, like morality, consists of drawing a line somewhere." G. K. Chesterton)

Scared Monkeys Says:
April 19th, 2006 at 5:03 pm
Translated article:

http://antillen.nu/content/view/555/2/
BREDA/WILLEMSTAD (19-04-06) - Geoffrey van Cromvoirt is the son of a former policeman. His father, Willem, was eighteen years policeman in the Dutch town Breda when he decided (end 1997) to start his own business, according to the Dutch newspaper BN/De Stem.

On 1 January 1998 he started Video Camera Beveiliging (beveiliging means security), a firm which aimed at the security of companies with video systems. In 1999, his father decided to move to the Dutch Antilles. According to an ex-colleague, he started at first on Bonaire by the name VCB Security. Meanwhile the company operates at several places on the Antilles. On Aruba it’s one of the larger security companies. The Holiday Inn is one of their customers, the hotel Natalee Holloway disappeared on 30 May 2005.

SM: Is it possible that Geoffrey went to high school in Bonaire? (klaasend)

42 posted on 04/19/2006 2:23:19 PM PDT by theophilusscribe

Scared Monkeys Says:
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2006/04/19/aruba-natalee-holloway-comment-post-11/#comments
April 19th, 2006 at 4:56 pm
Not positive how accurate this is but I found this transcript (klaasend)

Transcript: Aruban Police Report

Joran says: “You know what happened to that girl, if you don’t know, then nothing has happened to her.”
Joran keeps saying: “I will laugh if they find the girl alive, (expeltive) you.”
“I know very well that you are afraid.”
“…That is if you did something bad with the girl. And if they find the girl. then we’ll see.”
Satish: I’m not afraid. Why must I be afraid?”
Deepak: “I want them to find the girl. You’re going to talk (EXPLETIVE) about me that I have buried the girl by fisherman’s hut.”
Joran: ” Who said about burying, I said nothing about burying.”
Deepak: “That’s what you testified. Stop with that (expletive).”
Joran “I said nothing about burying. Only thing I can think of is that you know people, that it is the people from automotive enterprises.”
Satish: “Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, after I got the flat tire, huh? Yes, yes, yes, yes, I picked you up and after that I went to the beach again for her.”
Joran: “Who said that?.”
Satish: “You said that.”
Joran: “I never said that friend. I never said that you’ve been back friend. That is your problem. If they all find that girl, then they will see that (EXPLETIVE).”
The reporter says it goes on with them arguing and screaming accusing them of telling the police stuff. Joran blames them for getting his father arrested by saying “NO Body, No Crime.” If you had never said that my father wouldn’t have been involved. And after he got you a lawyer and all.

43 posted on 04/19/2006 2:27:04 PM PDT by theophilusscribe

Joe Tacopino's associate just said on Abrams that Beth Twitty is in it for the money. Then she actually said "money, money, money."

The groan from the panel was audible. Yep, that's how you rehabilitate your client.

Good work Joey, you just kicked it up a notch!

44 posted on 04/19/2006 2:36:26 PM PDT by deetch (Frank)

oh wow....I'll have to catch the later showing of it.

45 posted on 04/19/2006 2:55:17 PM PDT by justche ("Art, like morality, consists of drawing a line somewhere." G. K. Chesterton)

I am still stewing about that comment. I'm pretty sure Beth would give every penny away - and everything she has to have her daughter back. The bimbo that said such a cruel thing - if she wasn't getting paid she'd be involved how in this???

46 posted on 04/19/2006 3:09:25 PM PDT by justche ("Art, like morality, consists of drawing a line somewhere." G. K. Chesterton)

To: justche; All

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/

Translation by Getagrip of Bon Dia Aruba, 4/18/06

Snip...
Other reports which were able to be collected about the detention of this new figure in the mysterious Holloway case, indicates that the detention of this youngster used the charges of article 302, which means premeditated murder, but also in conjunction with 50, which is complicity to commit premeditated murder and also in conjunction with 49, which is having information related to a premeditated murder but not divulging this to solve the case.

It is also Bon Dia Aruba’s understanding that his detention is also on the basis of article 300, which is for murder, in conjunction with 50, which is complicity by not giving information about a murder.

Snip...
As of yesterday they were talking of possible ‘forensic’ evidence from a uniform of the security company which was found many months back but this information is not based on fact.
// posted by Getagrip @ 4/19/2006 05:01:00 PM

47 posted on 04/19/2006 3:30:14 PM PDT by shebacal

Thanks for the ping TX!!

48 posted on 04/19/2006 3:31:04 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (Conservatism is to a country what a bandaid is to a cut!! - Healing)

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/

Translation by Getagrip

How was he not brought in front of the judge as usual?

Geoffrey’s detention has to do with drug possession as well!
New suspect is represented by attorney mr. Eline Lotter-Homan
DIARIO Aruba - 4/19/2006

snip...
ORANJESTAD(AAN): When any native son is detained, and has to be presented in front of the Judge Commissioner, according to the rules, the detained is brought to the Justice Building.

But what happened Tuesday? This was not the case. The new detainee in the Natalee’s case, Geoffrey van Cromvoirt, was not brought to the Court Building! Why? Because he is Dutch…because of this they want to protect him? This is what some people called and asked DIARIO. More than clear, the newspaper told them they better call and ask the Public Prosecutor.

Snip...
Finally, in the afternoon hours, a Judge Commissioner went to the Noord police station, where the 19 year old detainee was presented. Here, the Judge Commissioner reviewed the detention formalities, and decided that the detention was conducted legally, and the prolongation of the detention for 8 days as asked by the prosecutor is valid.

snip...
Tuesday, in front of the Court, DIARIO interviewed attorney mr. Petrochi, who was the appointed lawyer when the new suspect in the Natalee Holloway case, Geoffrey van Cromvoirt, was detained....He said that he is no longer the attorney of this suspect. He only attended to the first part of the detention.

Now, the case of van Cromvoirt is in the hands of another attorney. Attorney Petrochi could not confirm who was the new lawyer; however, DIARIO was able to find out that it was going to be mr. Eline Lotter-Homan who will represent van Cromvoirt in this case.

snip...
On the other hand, the details given in terms of the drug matter and Geoffrey, has made local observers immediately think more deeply. They find that this new case ‘smells very strange’.

They explained to DIARIO that if a person is suspected of crimes related to drugs from any force, or investigative team, any drug case in Holland (DIARIO does not want to mention more) and he is detained…the official asks the Judge Commissioner to search the suspect’s house from top to bottom to find any substance that has to do with drugs.

His computer is opened and they take out the innards! In his room, they let dogs smell on top and below the bed to find out if they can at least find a seed, white substance, continue to every corner of the house in order to have evidence. All this to avoid that in the future this happens in the force, so that they not fail investigators again.

But here again, clearly they have committed a flagrant error! They invited Geoffrey to come to the station, where he was then detained. Those in charge of the investigation have to come to their conclusions and take their retirement, not today, but yesterday -
// posted by Getagrip @ 4/19/2006 04:31:00 PM

49 posted on 04/19/2006 3:44:37 PM PDT by shebacal

DING DING DING DING!!

Congrads -- you made it to 20 -- FASCINATING

Actually, in your defense there has been some noteworthy news in the last few weeks. Not 20 threads' worth, but noteworthy!

50 posted on 04/19/2006 3:46:38 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Don't call them "Illegal Aliens." Call them what they are: CRIMINAL INVADERS!)

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