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Terri's Day and nation's independence protects life culture
Renew America ^ | May 29, 2006 | Kevin Fobbs

Posted on 05/30/2006 11:14:37 AM PDT by KevinNuPac

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To: T'wit
However, if he does depart, all is not lost. We could raise enough money to have his face bronzed. He would be the perfect gargoyle. Somewhere in Florida is a building with a broken gargoyle that needs replacing.

Now this is series!

Once upon a time we visited elderly parents of a friend in the Phoenix area, a Del Webb Sun City development. They gave us a tour of the facility and proudly brought us to a place where a bronze statue stood tall and proud. I said, "Wow, is that Del Webb?" The old man responded very seriously that no, Del Webb was dead. I retorted, "Wow, they had him bronzed."

Solemn and meaning it, he explained that they did not have him bronzed when he died.

Personally, I think it would be very painful if Judgiepoo were bronzed before his time.

101 posted on 06/08/2006 5:25:32 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam Tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: T'wit
Judge Greer's pale optic nerve may also be in play. With pale optic nerve comes neurological and progressive brain dysfunction. Clearly, he doesn't play with a full deck but instead of being Baker Acted, he makes life and death decisions when he's not on the very special interest (against the judicial canons) Magical Mystery Death Tour.

UPDATED THIS A.M.: WND, Conservative Voice, Topix-Net Newsfeeds and Tom Gallagher for Fla Governor newsfeed:

http://www.conservative-spirit.org/index.html

102 posted on 06/08/2006 5:48:02 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org & Tom Gallagher 4 Fla Guv: www.tg2006.com)
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To: T'wit

The Party of Death has many RINOS in it too. They should just change their party affiliation and get it over with.


103 posted on 06/08/2006 5:49:49 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org & Tom Gallagher 4 Fla Guv: www.tg2006.com)
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To: 8mmMauser
How about gilding him, Goldfinger fashion?

Meanwhile I came across this from a Bert Prelutsky column yesterday at Townhall.com.

Sigmund Freud was the fellow who had the copyright on the ego, the id and the superego. He was also the guy who managed to turn the couch, formerly just another piece of over-stuffed Viennese furniture, into a legitimate business expense. But even he acknowledged that he was unable to decipher what it was that women wanted.

Well, now, if the greatest psychiatrist who ever, ever lived could not figure out what women wanted, how did Michael Schiavo figure out that Terri wanted to die in agony? Of course he didn't. He just drummed up some phony testimony from his brother and SIL and had the judge stamp it "clear and convincing." That's enough to flummox the rubes, yokels and national media.

104 posted on 06/08/2006 6:02:36 AM PDT by T'wit (Due process: Two lawyers obfuscating the truth to the satisfaction of a bureaucrat in black robes.)
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To: 8mmMauser
By the way, I can't read women's minds any better than any man but I DO know EXACTLY what Terri meant if she said, "I wouldn't want to live this way."

That means, "You are a lazy slob who doesn't earn enough and I'm sick of it. I'm going to get some new outfits and you are going to pay for them and take me somewhere really nice, like the French Riviera."

105 posted on 06/08/2006 6:11:36 AM PDT by T'wit (Due process: Two lawyers obfuscating the truth to the satisfaction of a bureaucrat in black robes.)
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To: T'wit; 8mmMauser
Is Judge Greer going to this Schiavo How it's Done Mtg and if he is, I wonder what kind of award he'll get this time.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/southwest/orl-owgovwatch07_106jun07,0,1426015.story?track=rss

HAND JUDGE GREER A SUMMONS FOR HIS ARREST, PERP WALK HIM AND ON TO THE TELEVISED ARRAIGNMENT.

That is all he deserves.

www.judgegeorgegreer.com

106 posted on 06/08/2006 6:15:31 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org & Tom Gallagher 4 Fla Guv: www.tg2006.com)
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To: floriduh voter
>> Judge Greer's pale optic nerve may also be in play

I wonder if he's diabetic.

107 posted on 06/08/2006 6:30:50 AM PDT by T'wit (Due process: Two lawyers obfuscating the truth to the satisfaction of a bureaucrat in black robes.)
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To: floriduh voter

To me, it is the callousness of our government towards the weak. You are correct about it being us who will have to assimilate. More and more jobs require you to be bilingual. I told my oldest girls years ago to take Spanish, but they didn't listen. Hopefully the youngest one will. Unfortunately, she'll need to Habla if she wants a job.

Terri was murdered for financial gain, but in my heart I believe that MS couldn't let her get better, because he caused her initial injuries.


108 posted on 06/08/2006 6:58:35 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (If you don't understand the word "Illegal", then the public school system has failed you.)
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To: 8mmMauser
That is great news. That means you can listen to the audio if you have a good connection. Here it is:

I listened to part of it. What is it supposed to prove? Since it is only one sided, at least the part I heard, it doesn't mean much to me. I would rather hear a debate involving people on both sides of the issue.

109 posted on 06/08/2006 8:14:43 AM PDT by killjoy (Same Shirt, Different Day)
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To: T'wit

Greer catches cold easily. Is that a diabetic symptom? He drinks GALLONS OF WATER too. Luvs the stuff.


110 posted on 06/08/2006 11:14:59 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org & Tom Gallagher 4 Fla Guv: www.tg2006.com)
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To: 8mmMauser

seriesly. this thread is getting hugh. this is already the next part.


111 posted on 06/08/2006 11:15:52 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org & Tom Gallagher 4 Fla Guv: www.tg2006.com)
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To: floriduh voter
>> He drinks GALLONS OF WATER too.

If he is ever found face down on Michael Schiavo's floor, we'll know it's due to potassium imbalance from drinking too much water.

112 posted on 06/08/2006 6:17:25 PM PDT by T'wit (Due process: Two lawyers obfuscating the truth to the satisfaction of a bureaucrat in black robes.)
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To: 8mmMauser
>> If, after weighing the facts, the committee decides further treatment is futile, doctors can end life support after a 10-day waiting period.

Sixth trimester abortion.

113 posted on 06/08/2006 6:23:59 PM PDT by T'wit (Due process: Two lawyers obfuscating the truth to the satisfaction of a bureaucrat in black robes.)
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To: killjoy; bjs1779

I am supposing you are taking a fair look.

It is one sided if one supposes one side is fact and the other side is fiction. If that is the case, it is biased on the side of facts and evidence. That evidence is readily available through such sources and the Cheryl Ford, RN, book OurFight4Terri which is a compendium of paper trails reflecting the logic train the audio follows.

I really don't care to hear debates between fact and fiction, any more than to hear the devil's side at church to make it fair and balanced. Any debates at this point over the events which took place covering the fifteen year period have settled into the two camps, events supported by unbiased evidence, documents, medical and legal opinion opposing that fantasy developed by a sociopath and his team of supporters cheering on from the death culture.

The events of fifteen years ago were filed by LE at the time as cold case possible attempted homicide. One day that may be reopened with the motives of their attorneys, bioethicists and judges laid bare. I hope so.

Someone intentionally put Terri on that march to death and one day, justice on earth may still be served.

I wish you well on your search and that it cuts through the fog laid down by the MSM and the lovers of death.


114 posted on 06/09/2006 3:18:28 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam Tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: T'wit

Sixth trimester abortion must be Post Partum Abortion.


115 posted on 06/09/2006 3:20:45 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam Tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: Ohioan from Florida; Goodgirlinred; Miss Behave; cyn; Abby4116; Alissa; AlwaysFree; amdgmary; ...
From Pamela Hennessy writing for the North Country Gazette, with a fascinating observation by Attorney Patricia Anderson beyond this excerpt...

This time, the ogre takes the form of a former member of the British Medical Association's ethics committee and Emeritus Professor of Medical Ethics at Barts and goes by the name of Len Doyal.

Doyal has called for the legalization of non-voluntary euthanasia in the UK and -- by way of a media release from the Royal Society of Medicine -- has stated that doctors should be permitted to remove needed care from patients or kill them by way of lethal injection -- with or without their consent. That is to say that Doyal believes Voluntary Active Euthanasia (VAE) and Non-Voluntary Active Euthanasia (NVAE) should be viewed as morally acceptable and lawful actions, depending on what doctors perceive to be the best interest of the living patient.

OpEd - The Beast Across the Pond

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116 posted on 06/09/2006 3:28:36 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam Tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All
Keeping up with the Joneses...

Judge Jones is still a hot news item as he defends our activist and runaway judges as we recall painfully he is one of the Bush appointments. But he has been busy lately on more weighty problems like staying an execution of a murderer. I wish he or one like him would have had the fortitude to stay the execution of an innocent helpless victim.

One particularly strident commentary piece by conservative columnist Phyllis Schlafly, published a week after the ruling, really set Jones off.

Schlafly wrote that Jones, a career Republican appointed to the federal bench by President Bush in 2002, wouldn't be a judge if not for the "millions of evangelical Christians" who supported Bush in 2000. His ruling, she wrote, "stuck the knife in the backs of those who brought him to the dance in Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District."

Judge in intelligent-design case still fighting

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117 posted on 06/09/2006 3:43:05 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam Tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: floriduh voter

I despise Crist. he's a gutless spinmeister pol.

Great thread and comments.


118 posted on 06/09/2006 4:07:06 AM PDT by Jezebelle
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To: All; Miss Maam; Aussie Dasher
Thanks, Miss Maam, who pings us to a thread by Aussi Dasher on the advancing of euthanasia in the UK, a topic similar to my post #116 above discussed by Pamela Hennessy...

No consent for mercy deaths 'OK'

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119 posted on 06/09/2006 4:20:47 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam Tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: T'wit

Thanks for starting my day with a good laugh!!


120 posted on 06/09/2006 7:32:39 AM PDT by Lesforlife ("For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb . . ." Psalm 139:13)
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To: 8mmMauser
I wish you well on your search and that it cuts through the fog laid down by the MSM and the lovers of death.

As I said, I am interested in hearing an intelligent debate between people on both sides of the issue. I am actually very neutral on the issue since I don't really care one way or the other. What does completely turn me off is the rhetoric involved. It doesn't matter how right, or wrong, anyone is when I start hearing emotionally charged buzzwords such as "death culture", "lovers of death", etc... repeated ad infinitum. All that does is turn someone away who might otherwise be willing to listen. If the facts really are on your side, there is no need to resort to those types of scare tactics.

121 posted on 06/09/2006 7:39:19 AM PDT by killjoy (Same Shirt, Different Day)
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To: 8mmMauser
Call it what you like, but the proponents of removing care without consent, actively ending an undying patient's life or rationing healthcare from the weak or poor are nothing more than thugs. Because you may be dependent on others or viewed as unproductive, these brutes flatly refuse to give you any quarter. You're a burden and that's the beginning and the end of it.

Yep. This is exactly what it is. Culling the herd.

122 posted on 06/09/2006 9:03:36 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (If you don't understand the word "Illegal", then the public school system has failed you.)
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To: killjoy
>> If the facts really are on your side, there is no need to resort to those types of scare tactics.

We don't.

123 posted on 06/09/2006 9:49:15 AM PDT by T'wit (Due process: Two lawyers obfuscating the truth to the satisfaction of a bureaucrat in black robes.)
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To: 8mmMauser
>> Non-Voluntary Active Euthanasia (NVAE)

Isn't it interesting the terms they coin in an effort to make murder look innocent? Pull our your pistol, shoot the victim between the eyes, and lo! You have committed Non-Voluntary Active Euthanasia.

Under the circumstances, a Luger would be the handgun of choice.

124 posted on 06/09/2006 9:55:39 AM PDT by T'wit (Due process: Two lawyers obfuscating the truth to the satisfaction of a bureaucrat in black robes.)
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To: T'wit
We don't.

So why were replies to me laced with comments like "death culture" and "lovers of death"?

125 posted on 06/09/2006 10:05:19 AM PDT by killjoy (Same Shirt, Different Day)
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To: 8mmMauser
Phyllis Schlafly is one of the most elegant, accomplished women in American history. She knows the law and she told the truth.

It is Judge Jones whose remarks were strident, mean and false. He betrayed his past supporters precisely by failing to uphold the law. He betrayed the law itself. The First Amendment does, after all, guarantee the freedom of all religion, not just Darwinism.

126 posted on 06/09/2006 10:10:20 AM PDT by T'wit (Due process: Two lawyers obfuscating the truth to the satisfaction of a bureaucrat in black robes.)
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To: killjoy
>> So why were replies to me laced with comments like "death culture" and "lovers of death"?

The terms are descriptive of a philosophy and its political agenda that seek to undermine the right to life in America. No other term fits. Right-to-die, euthanasia, assisted suicide and other such causes -- all of these strands are part of something larger that we term the death cult or death culture. It does fit them all.

The term is not necessarily pejorative. If you find it so, but want to be part of that movement without revealing your beliefs, suggest another name.

127 posted on 06/09/2006 10:19:53 AM PDT by T'wit (Due process: Two lawyers obfuscating the truth to the satisfaction of a bureaucrat in black robes.)
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To: T'wit
all of these strands are part of something larger that we term the death cult or death culture. It does fit them all.

My Grandfather just died two days ago. His body was shutting down and decided he did not want to be put on life support. He lasted about 24 hours before passing. Does this mean he is part of a 'death cult' in your eyes?

The term is not necessarily pejorative. If you find it so, but want to be part of that movement without revealing your beliefs, suggest another name.

I am not even sure what 'that movement' is so I have no idea if I would want to be a part of it or not.

128 posted on 06/09/2006 10:35:27 AM PDT by killjoy (Same Shirt, Different Day)
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To: killjoy
>> Does this mean he is part of a 'death cult' in your eyes?

Cut the garbage.

>> I am not even sure what 'that movement' is so I have no idea if I would want to be a part of it or not.

Your choice. My only suggestion is that you read very, very deeply before you dip your feet in those waters. There are grave dangers in giving your energies and enthusiasms to the wrong philosophies.

129 posted on 06/09/2006 11:16:12 AM PDT by T'wit (Due process: Two lawyers obfuscating the truth to the satisfaction of a bureaucrat in black robes.)
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To: T'wit
Your choice. My only suggestion is that you read very, very deeply before you dip your feet in those waters. There are grave dangers in giving your energies and enthusiasms to the wrong philosophies.

I already said I am in the middle since I don't know enough about the issues to decide one way or the other. All I asked is for a pointer to an intelligent debate on the issues. Why is that so difficult to provide?

130 posted on 06/09/2006 11:19:02 AM PDT by killjoy (Same Shirt, Different Day)
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To: killjoy
>> Why is that so difficult to provide?

I've spent nearly three years investigating the case and learning the facts. Are you prepared to do the same?

131 posted on 06/09/2006 2:14:59 PM PDT by T'wit (Due process: Two lawyers obfuscating the truth to the satisfaction of a bureaucrat in black robes.)
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To: 8mmMauser
Another article here:

Let doctors kill without consent, says ethics expert

132 posted on 06/09/2006 2:58:01 PM PDT by Miss Maam
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To: T'wit
I've spent nearly three years investigating the case and learning the facts. Are you prepared to do the same?

Of course not. I have other things in my life that are more important at this point. What is so hard about providing a pointer to an intelligent debate on the subject?

133 posted on 06/09/2006 10:02:49 PM PDT by killjoy (Same Shirt, Different Day)
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To: killjoy
>> I have other things in my life that are more important at this point.

Tend to them. Time flies.

134 posted on 06/09/2006 11:52:17 PM PDT by T'wit (Due process: Two lawyers obfuscating the truth to the satisfaction of a bureaucrat in black robes.)
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To: Miss Maam
Thanks -- I guess :-)

Remember when they used to say, "There'll always be an England"? At this rate, England will be gone by next Tuesday.

135 posted on 06/09/2006 11:58:00 PM PDT by T'wit (Due process: Two lawyers obfuscating the truth to the satisfaction of a bureaucrat in black robes.)
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To: Lesforlife
You remember the too much iced tea theory, eh? :-)
136 posted on 06/10/2006 12:09:44 AM PDT by T'wit (Due process: Two lawyers obfuscating the truth to the satisfaction of a bureaucrat in black robes.)
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To: T'wit
Tend to them. Time flies.

So, since I don't have three years of my life to dedicate to learning all the inns-and-outs of the debate, I should remain ignorant? What is so hard with providing information so that I can make up my mind on the subject? I am trying as hard as I can to keep an open mind on this topic but your replies are making it very difficult.

137 posted on 06/10/2006 12:17:32 AM PDT by killjoy (Same Shirt, Different Day)
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To: killjoy; T'wit

Since your comments were directed largely at me, let me add a couple of points.

I am sorry about your grandfather and I realize you are upset about this as some of us on this thread have been about our own losses. Nothing unnatural about this, nothing involving "death culture" or "death lovers".

You will not be able to redefine our discussions as a debate between those for and those against what happened to Terri. I stated it a couple times earlier. That is not a debate any more than a fair debate between a priest and a devil. It is defense against an attack.

If you were to pursue this topic in depth, and it would probably not be good timing for you considering the passing of your grandfather, you would find the subject much more basic, a clash of good and evil on a very fundamental basis.

The Legacy of Terri is a flagship case, brought about by dark motives many years ago and perpetuated by a portion of our humanity which truly embraces death and dying above all other things that matter to them. Its origin is in the far distant past and was fought by people of good will ever since. We use the example of the White Rose, some who have led the way in Nazi Germany with challenges, fatal to themselves, against the regime itself.

Quite a few of the regular posters here were actually at the scene as events unfolded, so more than kibbitzers, we were actively witnessing the events unfolding. On scene, all sides (and it was overwhelmingly skewed to those of good will) recognized this epic battle, that of decent people fending off a whole gaggle of dark forces, those who would mold us in America according to the patterns of Hitler's Germany. Their emissaries became vocal spokespeople, like recently departed Dr. Death. They attacked us on every front, with the media, with propaganda, with slogans eagerly lapped up by the more compliant and less informed. We fought back with exposure to the facts, to the evidence.

Nor does it matter to our efforts which faith you may bring to this forum. All we could imagine were represented in this clash, including atheists and wiccans, on our side against this Mengele/Kervorkian march to State sponsored death. Especially we who are Christians witnessed the amazing parallel of events unfolding in lockstep to Holy Week and Easter, with Terri's death followed immediately by her champion in the Catholic faith, the Pope himself.

If you listen thoroughly to the audio, and I realize it takes patience, and if you remove preconceptions, realizing those discussing, are not just rattling off mantras like our adversaries use, you will glimpse what happened to the murder of Terri.

If you acquire a source book such as the one I commended to you, that of Cheryl Ford, you will see hard evidence of a crime and justice unrequited. I will be posting more from Cheryl Ford today.

T'wit was telling you that many here have looked into this deeply and despite emotional accusations projected by our detractors that we are emotional, we have looked the evidence over through and through and have poked holes in any that did not past muster, so we know what happened, more than just opinion.

Your entry into the forum was aggressive, accusative, and touching of sarcasm. That makes us shy away from embracing a cactus. This is the way of real trolls, who have nothing in their hardened hearts to reach, so naturally, we are wary of such initial appearances. But Charity is held here in high esteem and if you truly want to learn, we are glad to help you past your own emotions to the realities of this epic battle.

Our threads aren't about keeping people alive at all costs as the detractors like to claim, we are not against people passing in a natural way, as it appears happened to your grandfather. We are against an organized effort to remove our options with sanctions of the State, to kill us whether any of us like it or not. That is our fight, that is the Legacy of Terri.

It is a real fight. Look at our recent links, look at the others like Andrea Clark. If we acquiesce like sheep, we will be like the victims of Hitler's Germany once again.

That is the "death culture". Those are the "death lovers". Our "movement" is simply of people of good will against those who advocate the power to have us killed.

From Sophie Scholl, martyred by Hitler's Germany to their culture of death, "We will not be silent. We are your bad conscience. The White Rose will give you no rest."

Grandfather of killjoy, Requiescant in Pace

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138 posted on 06/10/2006 3:31:17 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam Tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: Ohioan from Florida; Goodgirlinred; Miss Behave; cyn; Abby4116; Alissa; AlwaysFree; amdgmary; ...
From North Country Gazette...

A good read beyond the excerpt:

"The truth is incontrovertible; malice may attach it, ignorance may deride it but in the end, there it is".

Such it is in the Terri Schindler Schiavo case.

COMMENTARY - Convincing Evidence

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139 posted on 06/10/2006 3:38:43 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam Tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All
Commentary to Philadelphia Daily News...

MICHAEL Smerconish recently devoted a column to our reaction to his participation in a seminar at Penn concerning Terri Schiavo.

We wrote that the seminar "celebrated the death of Terri Schiavo." He objected.

In March 2005, at the request of her husband, a Florida judge ordered that Terri Schiavo be denied liquids and food until death. Many Americans protested this incredible cruelty, but 13 days later, she died.

This was not a case of foolishly keeping a dead person alive through the use of a machine. Terri was not dying or ill. She had been injured by cardiac arrest. She responded to care and a feeding tube was used to supply the nutrition and hydration required by all of us.

Letters | Response on Terri Schiavo

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140 posted on 06/10/2006 3:43:43 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam Tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All
Mor on Mikey, from LifeNews...

Clearwater, FL (LifeNews.com) -- Michael Schiavo's political action committee set up to target candidates and elected officials who supported Terri Schiavo and her family's efforts to prevent her euthanasia death has made its next endorsement. The PAC has endorsed Hillsborough County Commissioner Kathy Castor, a Democrat running in Florida's 11th congressional district.

Castor is seeking the seat pro-abortion Rep. Jim Davis, a Democrat who is running for governor to replace outgoing pro-life Gov. Jeb Bush, who backed Terri's parents and signed legislation Florida lawmakers passed seeking to stop the euthanasia.

Michael's PAC Targeting Pro-Terri Schiavo Officials Makes Next Endorsement

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141 posted on 06/10/2006 3:47:37 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam Tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; killjoy
I hope the video link works. It is SchiavoV2email.mov posted below. If not, please let me know and I will try to get the video posted to our website.

...................

TO: FIGHT4TERRI SUPPORTERS
FROM: CHERYL FORD RN
_WWW.FIGHT4TERRI.COM_ (http://www.fight4terri.com/)

JUNE 9, 2006

ATTACHED IS A VIDEO CLIP DOWNLOAD THAT WAS RECENTLY SENT TO ME BY RADIO TALK
SHOW HOST, JOHN SIPOS. I SHARE THIS WITH YOU AT THIS TIME IN AN EFFORT TO
PORTRAY A REMINDER OF HOW JUDGE GEORGE GREER BLATANTLY IGNORED
AFFIDAVIT/TESTIMONY GIVEN BY ATTORNEY BARBARA WELLER WITH REGARD TO TERRI'S
STATEMENT ABOUT
HOW SHE HAD WANTED TO LIVE. I WARN YOU HOWEVER, FOR SOME, IT MAY BE A
DIFFICULT CLIP TO WATCH.

I FEEL EVIDENCE OF SUCH A VIDEO OUGHT TO BE MAINTAINED BY EVERYONE WHO
SUPPORTED TERRI'S RIGHTS AS A DISABLED HUMAN BEING. THE VIDEO SERVES AS A GREAT
REMINDER TO OUR SOCIETY OF HOW AN INNOCENT LIFE WAS TAKEN DUE TO THE
CORRUPTION OF A JUDGE NAMED GEORGE GREER IN PINELLAS PARK, FLORIDA. GEORGE GREER
STILL SITS AS A PRACTICING JUDGE. IN LIEU OF THE LAW, JUDGE GEORGE GREER
OBVIOUSLY ONLY HAD ONE THING IN HIS MIND DURING TERRI'S PLIGHT, AND, IT WAS NOT
THE LAW, NOR THE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS OF AN INDIVIDUAL......IT WAS TO SEE
TERRI DEAD.

WHEN TIME COMES TO REELECT JUDGES IN YOUR COMMUNITY, REMEMBER JUDGE GEORGE
GREER AND WHAT HIS CORRUPT POWERS AS A JUDGE DID TO AN INNOCENT LIFE. BE
CERTAIN TO KNOW WHO YOU ARE GIVING YOUR VOTE TO, OR, REFUSE TO GIVE IT. AFTER
ALL, YOU NEVER KNOW WHEN IT WILL BE A JUDGE LIKE GEORGE GREER WHO WILL DEEM
YOU OR YOUR LOVED ONE TO YOUR GRAVE.

FEEL FREE TO DISTRIBUTE THIS VIDEO WORLD WIDE COMPLIMENTS OF RADIO TALK SHOW
HOST, JOHN SIPOS @ _jsipos@ij.net_ (mailto:jsipos@ij.net)

SchiavoV2email.mov

Available NOW....
The book, Our Fight4Terri
Discounted for Fight4Terri supporters at:





_www.Fight4Terri.com_ (http://www.fight4terri.com/)
or, can be ordered directly from publisher at:
_Trafford Publishing: Our Fight4Terri_
(http://www.trafford.com/4dcgi/dosearch)



Cheryl Ford, RN (www.Fight4Terri.com) is not affiliated with any other group
and works to protect the rights of the disabled community

142 posted on 06/10/2006 4:14:07 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam Tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser
"Mike was talking about having, you know, around-the-clock help, physical therapy, and all of this good stuff for Terri. And he was also going to move the Schindlers in because they had no place to live. And when it came out there was only $1 million to take care of Terri for the rest of her life, there was not going to be money to do that".

WHAT????!!!

Okay, nevermind. When dealing with pathological liars, never be surprised by what comes out of their mouths.

143 posted on 06/10/2006 6:56:27 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (If you don't understand the word "Illegal", then the public school system has failed you.)
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To: killjoy
My Grandfather just died two days ago. His body was shutting down and decided he did not want to be put on life support. He lasted about 24 hours before passing. Does this mean he is part of a 'death cult' in your eyes?

I'm so very sorry for your loss. Your grandfather made a wise decision in his case. It was his time. Did he happen to mention wanting to meet up with his wife? Both my mom and ex mother in law(ex bro in law told me this)stated it was time to be with their husbands. When this happens, it's time to fly home.

As for a blanket term for those who believe it is beneficial to institute euthanasia policies towards the disabled, how about nihilists? I'll try and come up with a couple of better ones, but my brain is in neutral this morning.

144 posted on 06/10/2006 7:17:43 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (If you don't understand the word "Illegal", then the public school system has failed you.)
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To: 8mmMauser

I can't believe they printed that letter. It was excellent.


145 posted on 06/10/2006 7:35:05 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (If you don't understand the word "Illegal", then the public school system has failed you.)
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To: killjoy
I am sorry about your grandfather. His and Terri's case are two very different cases.

I'll just mention a few of the difference: Terri never expressed the desire to die - this was fabricated years later after her estranged husband won the lawsuit for money for her rehabilitation. This estranged husband with a live-in mistress, illegitimate children, and a vested interest in her death was made her guardian. Experts were not permitted to examine her, and her medical records hidden. She was treated horribly while she still was alive. Judge Greer denied her due process - she never had a lawyer. Her parents weren't even allowed to photograph her, bring her flowers, or have normal visits with her. Then there were all the lies Michael told and the numerous laws that Judge Greer broke and has never been made accountable for. Michael tried to keep the parents from knowing where she was buried until he was ordered to do so by court. The list continues.

Terri's case was not a right to die case. It involved so much more. I recommend you read a short statement by Martin Katz on Terri Schiavo (The American Thinker, March 29, 2005) that explains it - it's also posted here on FR. Also, Mark Fuhrman has an excellent book called "The Silent Witness."

146 posted on 06/10/2006 8:02:36 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: Jezebelle; 8mmMauser; cyn; pickyourpoison; tutstar; amdgmary
Hold on. Crist is clueless regarding finances. In St. Pete at his alma mater, Crist promised teachers 100K salaries. Nice work if you can get it considering teachers don't work all year.

Crist's sister is/was a school principal. I suppose she gave him this brilliant idea to help bankrupt the state.

Some teachers would be millionaires in ten years and Floridians on fixed incomes would be?

In the poor house.

I hope the voters wise up. Crist is pandering for votes WITH MY MONEY.

(we have Terri Schiavo threads steadily since 2002 and will continue to demand justice for Terri and her blood relatives.

There are judges who still need to be sitting in prison eating prison food instead of obtaining awards at banquets for killing her.) FLORIDA IS THE STARVATION STATE.

147 posted on 06/10/2006 8:59:20 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org & Tom Gallagher 4 Fla Guv: www.tg2006.com)
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To: 8mmMauser; Wampus SC
The EVER MORE OBVIOUS POLICE STATE that exists in Florida is at it again.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1645562/posts

148 posted on 06/10/2006 9:15:19 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org & Tom Gallagher 4 Fla Guv: www.tg2006.com)
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To: 8mmMauser

Tom Delay was interviewed by Fox News upon his departure. He talked about Terri at length. The camera showed Delay's office. Delay has a large print of Terri's portrait in his office. The portrait was done by Terri supporters from Sarasota. The original is a decent sized oil painting. Delay talked about THE CULTURE OF DEATH. When will people wake up? I guess maybe when it's personal.


149 posted on 06/10/2006 9:18:46 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org & Tom Gallagher 4 Fla Guv: www.tg2006.com)
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To: killjoy

your screen name is "killjoy". maybe that's giving an impression, unfair of your position?


150 posted on 06/10/2006 9:20:20 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org & Tom Gallagher 4 Fla Guv: www.tg2006.com)
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