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Terri's Day and nation's independence protects life culture
Renew America ^ | May 29, 2006 | Kevin Fobbs

Posted on 05/30/2006 11:14:37 AM PDT by KevinNuPac

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To: 8mmMauser
>> Hello!! Anyone home??

I am :-) It took about 5,400 miles of travel yesterday, starting at 4:00 in the morning and covering various stretches of Asia Minor in buses and flying cattle cars, but all's well that ends well.

1,801 posted on 08/06/2006 12:20:09 PM PDT by T'wit (It is not possible to "go too far" criticizing liberals. No matter what you say, they're worse.)
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To: floriduh voter
>> she fought so hard

It wasn't the first time. She fought desperately to breathe that fateful night, February 25, 1990. Her blood tests showed lactic acidosis, a condition caused by extreme exertion in the absence of oxygen. She was struggling to breathe and live.

Something cut off her oxygen. Lack of oxygen caused the brain damage.

It may well have been "Positional Asphyxia." A medical article defines it thus: "Positional Asphyxia:- in which the free action of the diaphragm and intercostal muscles is compromised, thereby causing hypoxia, disturbed heart rhythm and death. This factor will be significantly increased in prone restraints, or any procedure in which the movement of the chest is impeded or in which pressure or weight is applied to the back or chest."

In other words, the body is restrained or pinned down in a prone position (Terri was found in a prone position). If someone is on your back, say, the pressure on your diaphragm is so great you can't breathe. As you struggle, you develop metabolic acidosis (from the article again): "Acidosis:- the extreme exertion encountered in restraint situations produces lactic acid. In situations of prolonged struggle the individual may be unable to adequately clear lactic acid production leading to acidosis due to severe exertion, with consequent cardio-vascular collapse." [Terri went into cardiac arrest and had to be defibrillated seven times.]

Maybe somebody kneeling on her back left his knee prints when he pinned her down, one knee causing the unusual rib damage and the compression fracture of her spine at L1; the other causing the severe bone bruise on her right femur.

1,802 posted on 08/06/2006 2:12:02 PM PDT by T'wit (It is not possible to "go too far" criticizing liberals. No matter what you say, they're worse.)
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To: T'wit
But, when the paramedics and the sheriff's office showed up an labelled Terri's case a homicide, they didn't bother to examine Michael Schiavo to see if he had any bruises, scratches or contusions. And there's the matter of his now deceased mother-in-law who worked at the Sheriff's Dept. at the time. And, there's also the matter that I just remember. An attorney joined the death lawyers was a FORMER EMPLOYEE with the Pinellas County Sheriff's office.

Conflict of interest means nothing to Pinellas cronies. I can't remember his name but I attended the court hearing and he treated Terri's dad as if he had robbed a bank. It was disgraceful. Terri's dad had done nothing wrong but Michael's lawyers were trying to keep the Schindlers' from visiting Terri any way they possibly could. They didn't see Terri for approx. 60 days in 2004, the spring due to other false charges.

So, a bunch of liars killed Terri. Get a circus tent, maybe all the second rate nazis who helped kill her would fit. No, wait. That wouldn't be big enough because I forgot about the swat teams, etc. I didn't take pictures in 2005. There are plenty out there though. I called Terri's 2005 Vigil COP WORLD.

1,803 posted on 08/06/2006 8:30:09 PM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org Tom Gallagher 4 Guv, the ONLY Conservative in the Race)
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To: T'wit
PROBABLE CAUSE HEARING JUDGE GREER re: 2004 TV commercial:

August 17th at 4:00 pm est - 555 W. Pensacola St. Tallahassee.

Crist called J. Greer a hero after Terri Schiavo died from no water or nutrition for 13 days thanks to Greer.

1,804 posted on 08/06/2006 9:11:58 PM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org Tom Gallagher 4 Guv, the ONLY Conservative in the Race)
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To: floriduh voter
>> they didn't bother to examine Michael Schiavo to see if he had any bruises, scratches or contusions.

There's no particular reason to think he had any marks. She was doubtless asleep, so taken by surprise. She wouldn't have been able to understand what was happening, at least at first. He's a huge man, twice her size, and would have had no trouble putting her down. If he got on her back (as suggested by the two highly unusual injuries), she wouldn't have been able even to scratch him or fight back. (Imagine lying prone -- what can you do to someone on your back, pinning you?) She didn't have a chance.

What is impossible to understand is why the police accepted Michael's story that all was well between him and Terri -- that they didn't have any arguments. But both sides of the family and at least one close friend confirmed that the two were having a huge argument that day. Why didn't the police follow up? Why did they close their "investigation" in less than one hour?

Domestic violence is the number #1 cause of death and injury to young women. Police and emergency rooms MUST assume DV in a case like this. To this day there is no official cause for Terri's injury -- the coroner effectively ruled out the bizarre bulimia alibi (and that was a one-in-a-million shot anyway). Officially, Michael has no alibi.

We do have medical evidence of what happened, in the nature of her injuries and in her blood tests. The lactic acidosis revealed by her blood is a classic symptom of violent asphyxia. And interestingly, the hypokalemia that everybody heard about might also have been caused by violence.

1,805 posted on 08/07/2006 5:22:04 AM PDT by T'wit (It is not possible to "go too far" criticizing liberals. No matter what you say, they're worse.)
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To: floriduh voter
>> PROBABLE CAUSE HEARING JUDGE GREER re: 2004 TV commercial:

Small consolation, at least for me. He ought to be on trial for the extremely prejudicial rulings that wrongfully sentenced an innocent, disabled woman to die.

1,806 posted on 08/07/2006 5:26:13 AM PDT by T'wit (It is not possible to "go too far" criticizing liberals. No matter what you say, they're worse.)
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To: floriduh voter
>> Crist called J. Greer a hero

Interesting, in that the remark rises above the usual meaningless political blah-blah. Crist expresses real beliefs here -- a belief in judicial activism, a belief in euthanasia, and an unholy allegiance to the snakes involved in Terri's murder. Crist's views are utterly incompatible with principled conservatism.

1,807 posted on 08/07/2006 5:58:18 AM PDT by T'wit (It is not possible to "go too far" criticizing liberals. No matter what you say, they're worse.)
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To: T'wit; 8mmMauser; amdgmary; Twirly Bird; tutstar
Let's see where this hearing leads. I know that the public will be in attendance... Look at how long it took them to do anything! Remember our first Make a Complaint about Judge Greer was a thread at the end of August, 2003.

It has literally taken THREE YEARS to get even this scrap.

In the interim, however, an innocent person's life was snuffed out. This may be a probable cause hearing but they can take it further if they want to. (imo, somebody at the FEC despises Crist and what better way to get back at him than having his "hero" in trouble right before the Sept. 5th primary.

There will be an after action report re: the hearing, and I'll make sure I post it here somewhere.

1,808 posted on 08/07/2006 5:13:42 PM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org Tom Gallagher 4 Guv, the ONLY Conservative in the Race)
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To: T'wit

Pasco County, FL LE just reopened a 1984 shaken baby case.


1,809 posted on 08/07/2006 5:17:28 PM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org Tom Gallagher 4 Guv, the ONLY Conservative in the Race)
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To: T'wit; NonValueAdded; JulieRNR21; tutstar; amdgmary; Dante3; Sun; davidosborne; Joe Brower

Taking my new tag line out for a spin...


1,810 posted on 08/07/2006 5:26:25 PM PDT by floriduh voter (END THE SOCIAL PROMOTION OF CHARLIE CRIST * Vote Gallagher 4 Fla Guv)
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To: floriduh voter
>> Let's see where this hearing leads.

Sure. If Greer gets dirt on his nose from an ethics charge, it's fine with me. He deserves much worse, of course, but at least this would knock his halo off.

1,811 posted on 08/07/2006 5:30:40 PM PDT by T'wit (It is not possible to "go too far" criticizing liberals. No matter what you say, they're worse.)
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To: floriduh voter
>> a 1984 shaken baby case.

Did they say anything about the case and why they are having a second look?

1,812 posted on 08/07/2006 5:32:20 PM PDT by T'wit (It is not possible to "go too far" criticizing liberals. No matter what you say, they're worse.)
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To: T'wit
If the probable cause hearing is going to be a waste of time to clear Greer, he won't actually be cleared. Terri's dead. Greer signed Felos' order. They killed her. Greer cheated in his election in 2004. Even the Pinellas supervisor of elections was kicking Govan supporters off of precinct sites even though they were given express permission to be there with signs for Govan.

The Pinellas GOP Machine makes Cook County, Illinois blush.

1,813 posted on 08/07/2006 5:54:38 PM PDT by floriduh voter (END THE SOCIAL PROMOTION OF CHARLIE CRIST * Vote Gallagher 4 Fla Guv)
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To: T'wit

Tampa Tribune within the last week. I didn't read the article, just the headline. I've been swamped around here and in real life.


1,814 posted on 08/07/2006 5:58:09 PM PDT by floriduh voter (END THE SOCIAL PROMOTION OF CHARLIE CRIST * Vote Gallagher 4 Fla Guv)
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To: floriduh voter
>> I didn't read the article, just the headline.

Yeah, life is like that. I was traveling last week, out of touch, and missed a really good end-of-life "futile care" case. (The Death Culters missed it too, for some reason.) It fit right into our area for discussion. Doctors worked desperately to save some 80-year-old geezer who was better off dead. They could have funded ten medical scholarships with the money and resources they wasted on this one guy.

His name was Fidel Castro.

1,815 posted on 08/07/2006 6:07:28 PM PDT by T'wit (It is not possible to "go too far" criticizing liberals. No matter what you say, they're worse.)
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To: T'wit
did you notice we are in the smoky backroom? lots of action while you were out... Terri is mentioned every day somewhere. Maybe her legacy is to sort out the good folks from the bad. Rod Smith wants to reach out to GOP. Would that be the democrat part of the GOP or the republican part?

http://heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060807/NEWS/608070319

1,816 posted on 08/07/2006 6:13:02 PM PDT by floriduh voter (END THE SOCIAL PROMOTION OF CHARLIE CRIST * Vote Gallagher 4 Fla Guv)
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To: T'wit; 8mmMauser; floriduh voter; bjs1779; supercat
I'm baaaack!

I'll never catch up on this thread after such a long vacation, but I did see some interesting stuff from the trolls and moles that were advocating evil and hatred in the name of God. Their souls are lacking so much, it's hard to know where to begin. Should we pray for them to gain wisdom, compassion, love, understanding, grace, forgiveness, empathy, knowledge, caring, faith, hope, charity, or just the ability to shut up until they know what they're talking about?

It's disheartening to see such hatred toward Christians openly displayed on a forum that proclaims to be pro-God. I don't understand why some are allowed to misuse a conservative Christian forum to denigrate the rule of law, the right to life, God, and so many other issues that Free Republic claims to stand for. I believe most FReepers do have solid values, and they are the ones who keep me coming back. But I've seen many Christians and other conservatives chased off by moles who convinced them that their values are not welcome here.
1,817 posted on 08/07/2006 6:18:55 PM PDT by BykrBayb ("We will not be silent. We are your bad conscience. The White Rose will give you no rest." )
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To: BykrBayb

I hear you BB. I don't know why either.


1,818 posted on 08/07/2006 6:30:05 PM PDT by bjs1779
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To: pageonetoo
>> Lazarus was a friend of Jesus, according to Scripture. Jesus raised him from death, to prove His Divinity.

>> As to Dives, I will have to defer to Johnny Weismuller.

Anybody with access to Google could learn in a jiffy that Johnny Weissmuller was a swimmer, not a diver.

But why would you refer to anything but the Dives and Lazarus story in Luke 16:19-31 [KJV]? One who claims to know Greek and Hebrew exegesis from fourteen Bibles and who says, "I do have a good grasp of Scripture," surely must know who Lazarus and Dives were. It is one of our most famous biblical teachings, told over the centuries in stories and folk songs and spirituals, even an orchestral work by the English composer Vaughan Williams.

No, the story is not about the Lazarus who was a brother of Martha and Mary. This is a beggar named Lazarus.

1,819 posted on 08/07/2006 8:49:09 PM PDT by T'wit (It is not possible to "go too far" criticizing liberals. No matter what you say, they're worse.)
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To: floriduh voter
>> did you notice we are in the smoky backroom? lots of action while you were out...

Yes, I saw; don't care all that much, so long as those who want to learn about Terri can find us. There can always be another thread. Interest in Terri's case will outlive all of us, I promise you. People don't forget injustice! We are still talking about the temptation of Eve and about Cain slaying Abel, for pity sake.

1,820 posted on 08/07/2006 9:00:32 PM PDT by T'wit (It is not possible to "go too far" criticizing liberals. No matter what you say, they're worse.)
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To: BykrBayb
>> I'll never catch up on this thread after such a long vacation

You can do it. Reading goes much faster if you stick to Terri posts and skip the scripture.

1,821 posted on 08/07/2006 9:05:04 PM PDT by T'wit (It is not possible to "go too far" criticizing liberals. No matter what you say, they're worse.)
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To: BykrBayb; pageonetoo
>> Should we pray for them to gain wisdom, compassion, love, understanding, grace, forgiveness, empathy, knowledge, caring, faith, hope, charity, or just the ability to shut up until they know what they're talking about?

I was pondering just that earlier when pageonetoo said, "ANYTHING NOT IN THE PERFECT WILL OF GOD, is sin." Well, then, his spelling is very, very sinful. I wondered if it would help if he prayed for forgiveness of his spelling?

Fourteen bibles and he spells it "pharissees."

1,822 posted on 08/07/2006 9:12:44 PM PDT by T'wit (It is not possible to "go too far" criticizing liberals. No matter what you say, they're worse.)
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To: T'wit
Please do not ping me for your puerile attempts to engage. I have noted your call for my flogging, for dyslexic typing. I plead guilty to not using spell-checker, and guilty to agreeing that you truly are a "twit"!

And yes, accoring to the proper definition, "errors" are sin.

Please find someone else to pat your back...

1,823 posted on 08/08/2006 3:35:31 AM PDT by pageonetoo (You'll spot their posts soon enough!)
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To: T'wit
Please show me "Dives" in your KJV. Dives is a latin word, which according to your link, means "rich man". KJV is a translation of the Latin Vulgate, and is not directly from the original texts. It does not reflect a proper exegesis of the original Greek/Hebrew, and surely doesn't prove me incorrect. It only displays your attemp to prove me in error, with your error.

I don't use Google as my expert. I use it to locate experts. You seem more like an ex-spurt.

I sure watched an awful lot of Johnny Weismuller, when he played Tarzan, and was famously depicted diving into the waters... and swinging through the trees. Swimming got him noticed, but his body on display is what sold tickets on saturday mornings...

Where I come from, they call that ignorance... which can be cured with proper research!

1,824 posted on 08/08/2006 3:51:38 AM PDT by pageonetoo (You'll spot their posts soon enough!)
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To: pageonetoo
>> you truly are a "twit"!

Name-calling on your very first post to me? And this after you assured us that name-calling was the same as murder in the eyes of God!

1,825 posted on 08/08/2006 3:52:28 AM PDT by T'wit (It is not possible to "go too far" criticizing liberals. No matter what you say, they're worse.)
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To: pageonetoo
>> You seem more like an ex-spurt.

You'd better let me handle the jokes. That was terrible.

1,826 posted on 08/08/2006 4:05:54 AM PDT by T'wit (It is not possible to "go too far" criticizing liberals. No matter what you say, they're worse.)
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To: T'wit; BykrBayb; bjs1779

More fun than enuf in this playpen...


1,827 posted on 08/08/2006 5:41:02 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam Tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser

Yup. The thread got way too long. But we got a lot of good information into this one and it's on record for those who drop by with a good will.


1,828 posted on 08/08/2006 6:16:55 AM PDT by T'wit (It is not possible to "go too far" criticizing liberals. No matter what you say, they're worse.)
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To: T'wit

BTTT


1,829 posted on 08/16/2006 3:43:35 PM PDT by T'wit (It is not possible to "go too far" criticizing liberals. No matter what you say, they're worse.)
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To: 8mmMauser

Handy-dandy reference to prior thread. No response needed :-)


1,830 posted on 08/16/2006 3:45:14 PM PDT by T'wit (It is not possible to "go too far" criticizing liberals. No matter what you say, they're worse.)
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To: T'wit

Reference


1,831 posted on 08/19/2006 8:49:43 AM PDT by T'wit (It is not possible to "go too far" criticizing liberals. No matter what you say, they're worse.)
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