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To: 8mmMauser
My initial comment on this thread was made because of generally being sick of listening to comments about this case. There was a time on FR that it was impossible to have any thread at all without someone trying to hijack it within the first few posts. It is very similar to all the thread hijacking taking place now because of illegal immigration. In my eyes, the thread hijacking is completely destroying FR and making the site look like it is populated by a bunch of paranoid freaks.

That said, I decided to actually look into this case for the first time. After making requests on this thread for any pointers to an intelligent debate on this topic, nobody was able to send me any. I just went and read through some of the court cases related to it.

Since I know it will only start up a flame fest, I don't know if I should post my thoughts or not. In short, I think there are a lot of people on both sides of this issue that have way too much involved in the way of agenda. Money being one of the highest on the list.

155 posted on 06/10/2006 11:30:59 AM PDT by killjoy (Same Shirt, Different Day)
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To: killjoy
That said, I decided to actually look into this case for the first time. After making requests on this thread for any pointers to an intelligent debate on this topic, nobody was able to send me any. I just went and read through some of the court cases related to it.

I suspect one of the difficulties is that many Terri supporters have found that there is so much wrong with Michael's case that it's no more possible to have a reasonable debate about whether Michael's actions were proper, than it would be to debate whether water is wet or fire is hot.

Does Michael speak and behave in the manner of a sane, honest person? I have been unable to formulate any set of facts that would be consistent with his actions being sane and honest. Perhaps you could help me out.

Is Michael honest, but perhaps with a few screws loose (it would be understandable, if he was an honest person, that the stress of the situation might drive him a little crazy)? Again, try as I might I can't figure any set of facts that is consistent with his actions being those that an honest but slightly crazy person would be expected to make.

Is Michael a murderous psychopath? Perhaps. His actions and the facts of the case fit that scenario perfectly.

Is Michael simply a weak-willed guy who's being manipulated by a murderous psychopath named George Felos? Doesn't seem quite as likely, but still fits decently well with what's known of the case. If anyone can offer any other explanations to reconcile Michael's documented statements and actions with what is known and undisputed about the case, I'd like to hear them. None of the "innocent" explanations I've heard made sense a year ago; with continued revelations, they make even less sense.

158 posted on 06/10/2006 1:45:54 PM PDT by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: killjoy

You hit the nail on the head with the hijacking problem.

But I don't know if it was your intent. New threads are frequently invaded by trolls and allies of the death lovers who try to steer the tone from discussion of issues of Terri's Legacy into threads on who is right, a faithful family fighting for their daughter or a sociopath bent on killing her. I told you before but you glossed over it. I used the example that in Church, we do not give equal time to the devil. Likewise on these threads, we are not debating by giving fair and balanced time to the side representing evil. We are pro-life. Freerepublic is pro-life.

As you know, would-be hijackers do their dirty work by shifting discussion away from the issue and into bickering and are implying that we and by extension Freerepublic are a bunch of paranoid freaks.

But now you are singing the same note over again. We have offered you on a platter a cornucopia of information sources and now you said we didn't. Instead you resort to a claim of reading some of the court cases related to it when we have asserted in very clear language the court cases related to the murder of Terri are corrupted in essence.

It sounds like you consider your thoughts likely to draw flames, and that your mind is made up, IOW you have no real interest in getting at the truth, only in supporting the side which is against us who are pro life and pro Freerepublic. Perhaps this is the wrong forum and topic for you. You will find a great many of the same stripe in Daily Kos or DU and with the MSM. Your thought patterns are echoed as well on anti-freerepublic sites. No point you have stated to date is otherwise original. We have heard it countless times from disruptors and trolls long gone or zotted.

You say you are sickened. We are too. But from your words it is not clear which end of that spectrum sickens you.

That leads me to ask. Are you sickened by the hijackers, allies of Mikey and trolls trying to hijack our threads or are you sickened by people of good will fighting for the Terri's of the world?

Your tone sounds like the latter. I do get suspicious of posters who ignore all presented to them and brush it aside with mantras, and continue their same tack.


166 posted on 06/11/2006 3:03:55 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam Tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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