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Mel Gibson's statement on his DUI arrest
GrandForksHerald.com ^ | 7/29/06

Posted on 07/29/2006 1:51:47 PM PDT by LdSentinal

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To: LdSentinal
I quit drinking around ten or fifteen years ago, don't really remember when. The biggest reason I quit was because I didn't want my children to see me drunk. During my drinking days, I did a LOT of things that I shouldn't have. Fortunately, I was living in New Orleans, so nobody else noticed. Remember the opening of Heartbreak Ridge, when Gunny Highway is in jail for urinating on a police car? The only differences were I urinated in the driver's side window, not on the hood, and nobody caught me.

That was many moons ago (beyond the statute of limitations, BTW). I've been drunk. I've been stupid. I've been drunk and stupid. Gibson made a full apology and took responsibility. Nobody was hurt or killed. He didn't use that stupid third person apology "It was terrible that these things happened," like he was a bystander and talking about something someone else did.

I've probably needed more Grace than most people on FR. I'm not going to claim high ground on Gibson because I CAN'T claim high ground on him.

BTW, bet his mug shot wasn't as good as Nolte's or Glen Campbell's.


151 posted on 07/29/2006 2:30:14 PM PDT by Richard Kimball
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To: Hildy

Nah, you don't get it. You're awfully quick to attack people. Just like this Mel Gibson guy.


152 posted on 07/29/2006 2:30:16 PM PDT by KellyAdmirer
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To: Yorlik803
No, I am defending someone who has showed that he is Pro Life, Pro Catholic person.

Exactly how respectful of someone else's life is an alcoholic who not only takes a drink, but drives home after drinking?

153 posted on 07/29/2006 2:30:17 PM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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To: laconic

I am perfect.....therefore you too should be perfect.
If I was just as smart as you I would tell you all of that in Latin.....but alas, I am only mortal.


154 posted on 07/29/2006 2:30:40 PM PDT by Oldsailor
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To: Hildy

What are you on about? He's correct.


155 posted on 07/29/2006 2:31:13 PM PDT by Windsong (Jesus Saves, but Buddha makes incremental backups)
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To: KellyAdmirer

Stay away from me.


156 posted on 07/29/2006 2:31:27 PM PDT by Hildy
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To: Jack Black

Yes, Mel could make a great movie about the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising. Maybe then, I will believe he is sincere.


157 posted on 07/29/2006 2:31:33 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Sam Cree
While I may forgive him for being drunk, but if the guy is an antisemite, that's not really forgivable IMO.

It's a good thing your forgiveness isn't required. I trust God to make that call.

Luk 23:34 Then said Jesus, "Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do."

If God can forgive those who tortured and crucified his son, I pray that He will forgive Mel for his boorish behavior and hurtful words.

158 posted on 07/29/2006 2:31:41 PM PDT by highimpact
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To: Yorlik803
I don't care how much of his politics you agree with. The man is not a saint. He appears to be a reckless drunkard endangering others on the roadways, a bully with no respect for the law or those whose job it is to enforce it, and a Jew-hater.

He can apologize for what he said and did and show sincere repentance. I will give him time to do that and I will be the judge of his sincerity. Otherwise, he will receive no forgiveness from me and I will pray . . .

"Father, forgive them not, for they know what they do."
159 posted on 07/29/2006 2:31:50 PM PDT by TSchmereL ("Rust but terrify.")
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To: Shimmer128

So what do you suggest? Should we crucify him? Stone Him? What do you think? I think we have a very tormented man. He is fighting many demons. I hope he gets the help he needs. I won't condemn him just yet.


160 posted on 07/29/2006 2:32:26 PM PDT by LilyBean
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To: veronica

Weird that an argument is being put forward stating that since none of us are perfect, we cannot criticise Mel. In that case, we might as well close up shop here on FR, since we do some criticising.

If Mel had used the word "Christian" where he used the word "Jews," one wonders if so many here would still be willing to give the guy a pass.


161 posted on 07/29/2006 2:33:09 PM PDT by Sam Cree (Don't mix alcopops and ufo's)
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To: lastchance
The question was about Hutton Gibson's view of the Catholic faith.

"My father never lied to me."

So we are to take that statement as meaning that Hutton Gibson never lied about the Catholic faith, but he might have lied about other things?

You're stretching. You know very well how Gibson meant his statement.

162 posted on 07/29/2006 2:33:10 PM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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To: TSchmereL

So who among us is a Saint?


163 posted on 07/29/2006 2:33:17 PM PDT by Imgr8t
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To: LdSentinal

BS. When you are drunk is when your true feelings come out.


164 posted on 07/29/2006 2:33:22 PM PDT by SamAdams76 (I am a big fan of urban sprawl but I wish there were more sidewalks)
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To: KellyAdmirer
What you're not getting is how much pleasure this is going to give those who claimed that Passion was going to charge up the pitchfork crowd. I can't wait to read Krauthammer's next column. I remember his crazy rant over the movie--and he didn't even admit to being drunk.
165 posted on 07/29/2006 2:33:51 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: sinkspur

He was .4 over the line for crying out loud. If he is the Alkie like you say he is, that isnt nothing.


166 posted on 07/29/2006 2:34:38 PM PDT by Yorlik803 ( When are we going to draw a line a say"this far and no farther")
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To: Windsong

A group of people whose job it is to protect Jews were upset with Gibson's portrayal of Jews. They called him on it. He argued back..they argued back...all the way it was supposed to be done. GIBSON SAID JEWS WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL THE ILLS IN THE WORLD. Looks like maybe old Abe was right with his assessment of Gibson's motivation in making this film. NOW, whether that's true or not is now moot...because by saying what Mel said last night, he cannot defend himself any longer. HE SCREWED HIMSELF. GET IT NOW?


167 posted on 07/29/2006 2:34:51 PM PDT by Hildy
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To: LdSentinal
After drinking alcohol on Thursday night, I did a number of things that were very wrong and for which I am ashamed.

I could have written this on many Friday mornings ;-)

168 posted on 07/29/2006 2:35:00 PM PDT by glorgau
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To: jla

ROTFLMAO!


169 posted on 07/29/2006 2:35:22 PM PDT by I got the rope
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To: pageonetoo

Please give me a specific example of Rush being anti-semitic? He has stated how he loves Netanyahu, some Israeli general that he met, and several Jewish friends who are cigar smokers. Give me a specific example of Rush being anti-semitic to back-up your cheap-shot charge.


170 posted on 07/29/2006 2:35:35 PM PDT by DeweyCA
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To: SamAdams76
Some drunks are really mean, some are lovable, some cry. I hate the mean ones. Luckily, I haven't dealt with this since for many years.
171 posted on 07/29/2006 2:36:04 PM PDT by A knight without armor
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

"Has Kennedy apologized for his alcoholism? "

Which one are you referring to? ;-)

Cheers


172 posted on 07/29/2006 2:36:23 PM PDT by theymakemesick (Liberals & democrats: saturated with hate and intolerant of that which doesn't fit their world view)
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To: Hildy

Please see my earlier apology to the other guy. I forgot to finish my thought, and it changed the meaning of my post considerably.


BUT, for what it's worth, my family spent 800 years getting killed and persecuted by the Engish, right up to when my parents came to the US, so please don't paint with such broad strokes. Hatred is what it is, and among other things, it is contageous. Best to you and yours.


173 posted on 07/29/2006 2:36:24 PM PDT by capt.P (Hold Fast! Strong Hand Uppermost!)
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To: Imgr8t

Nobody is a saint but it is irrelevant.

I don't buy the argument that you have to be a saint to see what someone else is doing is reprehensible.


174 posted on 07/29/2006 2:36:29 PM PDT by TSchmereL ("Rust but terrify.")
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To: Mamzelle

Yeah, you're absolutely right. The "See, I was right all along about him" crowd is in full cry today.


175 posted on 07/29/2006 2:36:49 PM PDT by KellyAdmirer
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To: Hildy
Nothing. WORDS MEAN THINGS. We all know how he really feels. I truly don't think there's anything he can do that won't make it worse.

So what you're saying is, no apology or amends would be acceptable to you? Wow. Are you that unwilling to forgive the people you actually know, or is it just strangers?

176 posted on 07/29/2006 2:36:53 PM PDT by nina0113
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To: SamAdams76
BS. When you are drunk is when your true feelings come out.

A recently departed very dear relative of mine used to call it "liquid courage". It was only when she'd had a few drinks that she could stand up to her verbally abusive husband.

In Mel's case, it was "liquid anti-Semitism".

177 posted on 07/29/2006 2:36:57 PM PDT by Inspectorette
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To: dfwgator

That statement is pure damage control.

And he does truly hate the Jewish people.


178 posted on 07/29/2006 2:37:34 PM PDT by sabe@q.com (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: pageonetoo

Rush is one of the best friends of Israel and Jews.


179 posted on 07/29/2006 2:37:46 PM PDT by TSchmereL ("Rust but terrify.")
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To: Hildy
He can go to hell?

For making comments when he is intoxicated, he should burn in hell forever? Wow.

You just not say something wrong and out of control here and you are sober.

He should not got to hell. We are going off a police report and though I trust 99% of police officers, there are some that are bad and more than a few that exaggerate. We have not seen definitive proof of exactly what was said, yet Mel is being condemned to hell. I hope I never get in trouble and you sit on my jury.

I am pretty sure Mel said some things but do we know he said these exact things? I do not know. I have two brothers currently police officers, one that retired four years ago after 28 years, and I worked in investigations for 11 years myself.

Mel did commit a crime of violence where he intentionally harmed someone when he was sober. We all make mistakes, and I have made my share. I will forgive him, yet he will have to seek help for his alcoholism and do some positive things for his community and show he has no ill will towards Jews.
180 posted on 07/29/2006 2:37:57 PM PDT by jrooney ( Hold your cards close.)
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To: TSchmereL

I never said he was a saint, I implied he was human. Nothing more, nothing less.


181 posted on 07/29/2006 2:38:45 PM PDT by Yorlik803 ( When are we going to draw a line a say"this far and no farther")
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To: LdSentinal

It appears that Mel is just a man after all.

Hopefully things will turn out for the best.


182 posted on 07/29/2006 2:39:14 PM PDT by WhiteGuy (It's about the People Who Count the Votes................. - Wally O'Dell)
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To: sinkspur
Folks who put people up on pedestals are always shocked to discover their idols have feet of clay.

Trite but true.

183 posted on 07/29/2006 2:39:19 PM PDT by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: pageonetoo
Sounds familiar...

What are those similarities? Gibson over indulges in alcohol while having a fun time and is busted by the cops. Rush addicted to pain killers in order to maintain some semblance of a normal and pain-free lifestyle.

Big difference between drinking to have fun and taking pills to alleviate chronic pain.........

Don't waste your time responding, we're already familiar with your inane arguments on all the bash Rush threads........

184 posted on 07/29/2006 2:39:37 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Global warming has forced me to buy glacier front property in Alaska....)
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To: Yorlik803
He was .4 over the line for crying out loud.

0.04, actually. Too much to drive, for sure, but let's be accurate.

185 posted on 07/29/2006 2:39:56 PM PDT by Invisible Gorilla
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To: DeweyCA
Just curious. Why did you put up a pic of Rush in response to comment #2 that said that Gibson's true views came out? ...

I first listened to him from the Raleigh, NC station, when he was a two hour show from NY. When the Wilmington station picked it up, I wa glad. I listened most every day, and enjoyed the updates, and all the rest of his antics.

But, he has been given a pass by too many people for his addiction, and the surrounding mess he found himself in. He mde his own bed.

Limbaugh lied about his addiction, then hid behind a click lawyer, and went to rehab. He made the statement that he had a back problem, and it got him there. I suppose that may be true enough, but he sure played in a lot of golf tournaments. I've played golf... and I saw evidence of a BIGGGGG usage on his part.

Plus, if you believe anything of his maid's story. He is just another junkie that got caught!

Mel got caught, too! Now, he's goint to take the "pre-emptive" steps toward "rehabilitation"! Roy Black must have called!

186 posted on 07/29/2006 2:40:04 PM PDT by pageonetoo (You'll spot their posts soon enough!)
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To: nina0113

What can he say...SORRY I SAID OUT LOUD WHAT I REALLY FEEL INSIDE? He said what he meant. He's just sorry the world now knows. What's to forgive him for? I'm being serious. Forgiveness is given for true remorse. If that's how he feels that's how he feels. But this is the way I feel.


187 posted on 07/29/2006 2:40:14 PM PDT by Hildy
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To: TheCrusader

"I know what he stands for in his life, and the faith and works of his life speak for themselves."

He's had a drinking problem his whole life. He's also an avout Catholic who apparently hates Jews.


188 posted on 07/29/2006 2:40:23 PM PDT by sabe@q.com (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: dfwgator

I'm going to have to look for tha episode...it looks funny.
Btw, I know you don't agree, but I always cringe when I hear people call themselves a Christian and habitually drink alcohol. Mel talks the talk, but he doesn't walk the walk.


189 posted on 07/29/2006 2:40:30 PM PDT by I got the rope
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To: Sam Cree
If Mel had used the word "Christian" where he used the word "Jews," one wonders if so many here would still be willing to give the guy a pass.

I was just thinking about that...if say Stephen Speilberg or someone high-profile had said these awful things about Christians.

Honestly, I believe that is he came out the next day with the heartfelt apology Gibson seems to have given about how awful his behavior had been, he would be forgiven by many.

190 posted on 07/29/2006 2:40:57 PM PDT by what's up
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To: nina0113
There are crimes in law, and then there are crimes of decorum. Crimes of decorum are never forgiven. You can't take back an outburst of non-PC temper and expect to ever live it down. (Unless you're a liberal Democrat, of course.)

Remember how an officer's use of the N-word gained an acquittal of OJ? Nothing made Cochran any happier than hearing that racial slur. Then he got to play victim, and throw the truth on the defensive.

191 posted on 07/29/2006 2:41:12 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Yorlik803
He was .4 over the line for crying out loud. If he is the Alkie like you say he is, that isnt nothing.

Uh, Mel Gibson himself says he's an alkie.

And the report, as given on TMZ, said that he was observed weaving between two lanes of traffic.

That's drunk, and dangerous.

Read Gibson's statement again. He admits he lost control.

192 posted on 07/29/2006 2:41:24 PM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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To: jrooney
I meant to say DID NOT commit a crime of violence where he intentionally harmed someone when he was sober.

Sorry.
193 posted on 07/29/2006 2:41:30 PM PDT by jrooney ( Hold your cards close.)
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To: babydoll22

If the Romans hadn't hadn't crucified my friend at the instigation of the Jews, those of us who are Christian wouldn't have a religion. So anyone who hates Jews for that isn't thinking it through.

And just in case it gets read that way, hating Jews just because they are Jews shows one isn't thinking their religion through too.


194 posted on 07/29/2006 2:41:43 PM PDT by Felis_irritable
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To: SamAdams76

So, when I was drunk and had told this ugly woman I loved her to get her into bed, I meant it?
Wow..thank you for that insight.


195 posted on 07/29/2006 2:41:48 PM PDT by Yorlik803 ( When are we going to draw a line a say"this far and no farther")
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To: Yorlik803

Well, whooptie freakin' do! Of course he is human. Everyone is human. Adolph Hitler and Saddam Hussein are Human (no, I am not saying Gibson is anywhere near that level of evil). But to say "he is only human" is meaningless.


196 posted on 07/29/2006 2:42:37 PM PDT by TSchmereL ("Rust but terrify.")
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To: All
I'm guessing Mel saw the name tag of the arresting officer and went off on his tirade. What does getting pinched for DUI and Jews starting wars have to do with each other. Didn't he ask the cop "are you Jewish?" He said a lot of stupid stuff that night. You know....drunk talk,beer muscles. Everybody turns into the same person when they get pie-faced. I think Brad Paisley's song "Celebrity" applies here.
197 posted on 07/29/2006 2:42:45 PM PDT by 4yearlurker (12th district Freeper.)
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To: big'ol_freeper
Judge not, lest ye be judged.

To abhor evil, someone must first judge evil. God instructs men against "hypocrisy" commanding them to "abhor what is evil" (Rom. 12:9). Thus, unable to judge, and unaccustomed to abhorrence, Christians en masse become hypocrites when they obey the Hypocrites Golden Rule. For "judge not" (Mat. 7:1-5) is simply a hypocrites application of do unto others as you would have them do unto you (Mat. 7:12). "For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged" (Mat. 7:2). Judge others as you would have them do unto you inverted is Judge not if you do not want to be judged. Therefore the hypocrite does not judge. As Jesus said, "Judge not… you hypocrite" (Mat. 7:1, 5 KJV; Ezek. 16:52).

Jesus repeatedly taught men to judge rightly, insisting they "judge with righteous judgment" (John 7:24) and He praised a man who "rightly judged" (Luke 7:43). Paul shamed the Corinthian Christians because there was no one among them willing to "judge the smallest matters" (1 Cor. 6:2). As the Apostle wrote, "He who is spiritual judges all things" for "we have the mind of Christ" (1Cor. 2:15-16).

198 posted on 07/29/2006 2:43:21 PM PDT by LowOiL ("I am neither . I am a Christocrat" - Benjamin Rush)
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To: sinkspur

I'm almost sure I've heard him say he's an alcoholic and suffered it during his whole adult life. His wife has almost left him because of it I believe.


199 posted on 07/29/2006 2:43:23 PM PDT by sabe@q.com (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: LdSentinal

I’m not giving Mel a free pass on this nor am I offering an excuse for his bad and inexcusable behavior, but relapse is a very real hazard and not all that unusual for the recovering alcoholic. I know this from personal experience.

He needs to deal with the consequences of his actions, take responsibility, make appropriate amends and get back, quickly and earnestly to his personal program of recovery.

It’s very sad to see his relapse made so public. I hope his failing now can eventually become his greatest strength to himself and others.

As far as his supposed ratings at his arrest – understand that alcohol is a drug and as a mind-altering drug it does, when taken in excess, warp one’s perceptions of one’s thoughts and perceptions of that of the world around you. What you think perfectly rational while drunk is often abhorrent and irrational to you when sober.

I hope for his sake and the sake of his family and friends, he gets back on track.

I would wish this for anyone, regardless of political point of view.


200 posted on 07/29/2006 2:43:29 PM PDT by Caramelgal (There can be no happiness if the things we believe in are different from the things we do.)
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