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Mel Gibson's statement on his DUI arrest
GrandForksHerald.com ^ | 7/29/06

Posted on 07/29/2006 1:51:47 PM PDT by LdSentinal

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To: Howlin; Hildy

I guess it's all a matter of perception. I did not and do not lie. What I read was what I perceived. I am sorry for offending anyone. We are all passionate about what we believe. That's a good thing ( at least I always thought it was). I do apologize to you, Hildy.


751 posted on 07/31/2006 9:35:38 AM PDT by Lovergirl (Once a SnowFlake always a SnowFlake. (We stand by you, Israel))
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To: Lovergirl
I guess it's all a matter of perception

Yeah, yours.

Just because somebody doesn't agree with you doesn't mean they wanted Terri to die.

Perhaps you should consider the fact that the reason most people didn't post on those TS threads was because of remarks like yours.

752 posted on 07/31/2006 9:44:35 AM PDT by Howlin (Pres.Bush ought to be ashamed of himself for allowing foreign countries right on our borders!!~~Zook)
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To: Howlin

I remember a whole lot of people posting on those threads. I guess it's your perception of things.


753 posted on 07/31/2006 9:48:47 AM PDT by Lovergirl (Once a SnowFlake always a SnowFlake. (We stand by you, Israel))
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To: Lovergirl

You remember a whole bunch of people who agreed with YOU posting on those threads.

Most people didn't.


754 posted on 07/31/2006 9:50:06 AM PDT by Howlin (Pres.Bush ought to be ashamed of himself for allowing foreign countries right on our borders!!~~Zook)
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To: steve-b

Yeah? Then why are some people "jollier" ( a good point, according to you) when drunk, if that's a good point and not something they're tying to hide?

No. I stick by my assessment: excess alcohol improves no one on a consistent basis.


755 posted on 07/31/2006 10:01:27 AM PDT by olderwiser
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To: Hildy

I must say this is VERY disappointing. If he had made ALL the stupid statements sans the anti-semitic ones, this thing could get written off as "the alcohol" speaking. Going into the anti-semitic tirade (which he does not deny, hence we assume its accurate), is another matter. Sounds like Mel has some serious problems. No way he makes those kinds of stamements irrelevant to what is going on without his mind being diseased with anti-semitism. I am not Jewish, (though the Nazis did murder members of my immediate family) and my #1 level of subhumanity is Holocaust deniers and other assorted anti-semites. I will never watch one of his pictures again. I hope he goes back to Australia, loses the acquired American accent, and sinks into obscurity among Roos and poisonous snakes "Down Under" - the US does not need him any more..............


756 posted on 07/31/2006 10:39:35 AM PDT by Al Simmons (Hillary Clinton is Stalin in a Dress)
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To: olderwiser

Unfortunately, James Hirsen of Newsmax has already drunk the Gibson kool-aide claiming that he "exonerated himself". What I sense is a statement written by a publicist. Hirsen points to the bad behaviour and bigotry of certain libs - which we all know about. Their rotten behaviour does not justify Gibson's crummy behaviour.


757 posted on 07/31/2006 11:27:01 AM PDT by juliej (juliej)
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To: veronica

HE also called a female police office "sugart_ _ s". The guy is crude, to say the least.


758 posted on 07/31/2006 11:29:32 AM PDT by juliej (juliej)
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To: billstone

I always suspected that the Bar-Abbas episode was inaccurate. I can't believe that the Romans would have freed an open rebel - under any pressure. I suspect that this was put into the New Testament to show that Jesus was very much alone at the end.


759 posted on 07/31/2006 11:33:10 AM PDT by juliej (juliej)
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To: juliej

I agree. But Libs will join in hanging Gibson, pointing out his conservative leanings (in the past at least), while staying silent on their own hate-mongering wing.

Conservatives are more principled when it comes to castigating their own. We're the ones with Senate rules that allowed Tom DeLay to be railroaded out of leadership by Dems. Etcetera. And what I'm saying is, it might be useful to tie Gibson's statements to similar ones from extreme leftists who always seem to get away with it. If Gibson's got to go, how about that rabid anti-semite Sheehan? How about Chomsky, their intellectual guru? How about Annan in the UN? How about the dopes at Harvard who blamed a cabal of Jews in our government (code word: neocon) for essentially all the wars going on?

Gibson is a perfect way for libs to have their cake and eat it too (ie. blame Jews and lay it on conservatives)


760 posted on 07/31/2006 11:42:18 AM PDT by olderwiser
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To: Al Simmons

Did you know that Mel was born in New York, I believe Poughkeepsie, and his Father won $20,000 on JEOPARDY which he used to move his family to Australia?


761 posted on 07/31/2006 12:01:02 PM PDT by Hildy
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To: Lovergirl

Apology accepted!!! :)


762 posted on 07/31/2006 12:01:52 PM PDT by Hildy
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To: Hildy

That's funny--I was born in Po'k!


763 posted on 07/31/2006 12:43:26 PM PDT by olderwiser
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To: Hildy

Sure it wasn't Peekskill?


764 posted on 07/31/2006 12:44:20 PM PDT by olderwiser
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To: olderwiser

Yea..that's it...Poughkeepsie, Peekskill...it's all the same once you leave NY!!!!!


765 posted on 07/31/2006 12:48:04 PM PDT by Hildy
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To: olderwiser

You were born in Poughkeepsie...do you live there still?


766 posted on 07/31/2006 12:48:46 PM PDT by Hildy
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To: Hildy

No, I live up the road in beautiful Rhinebeck, NY, but I still work here. The Hudson Valley is a sceneically gorgeous area, and I really like having four seasons that run the gamut from real hot to real cold.


767 posted on 07/31/2006 12:53:42 PM PDT by olderwiser
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To: olderwiser

Great points! I am appalled however, that a conservative Catholic newspaper that somebody picked up at St. Agnes in NYC also went for the "Jewish cabal" garbage that Harvard is putting out. The extreme right joins with the extreme hate in its hatred of Jews. That is the one thing that unites them. Some paleo conservatives - like Pat Buchanan are very close to being neo-nazis. Cindy Sheehan is a sick deluded twit who needs help. She spits on her son's grave and is an ignoramus to boot. U.S. occupied New Orleans?????


768 posted on 07/31/2006 1:12:47 PM PDT by juliej (juliej)
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To: juliej

Yep. I think the difference is the Dems put their nuttier lefists up for general election (Kerry's record the last time out was one of the two or three most liberal in the senate). Howard Dean had a real shot.

Pat Buchanan hasn't been presidential timber for quite awhile.

The rabid energy has been on the left--and unlike the rabid right, it gets a media pass (or active help).


769 posted on 07/31/2006 1:21:17 PM PDT by olderwiser
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To: olderwiser

You are correct - absolutely correct. However, we should clean house. When Buchanan left the GOP, John McCain remarked "Kick him out and close the door!" Of course, the Dems wouldn't dare kick out Cynthia McKinney or Al Sharpton - or wacko Jim McDermott: they are the BASE OF THE PARTY NOW! John Dingle (Dingleberry) is another wack job who sympathizes with terrorists. It is a long list of terror loving/anti-Semitic Democrats. And I saw a photo of Howard Dean wearing a kafiyah or whatever the Pallies call it. I am not going to beat up on Gibson any more - he has done himself enough damage. When the Dems pander, they like to point out that they had a Jewish grandmother somewhere along the line and they expect us to be rapturous about this. I am not fooled by them. Not one bit.


770 posted on 07/31/2006 1:48:36 PM PDT by juliej (juliej)
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To: Dodgers fan

In case anybody missed it, here is the script from the "South Park" episode entitled "The Passion of the Jew."

The creators Parker and Stone (featured in the book "South Park Conservatives"), saw this Mel Gibson train wreck coming years ago. I think everyone will get a huge laugh out of it. The characters are cardboard cutouts so in just reading the script you won't miss anything.

http://www.spscriptorium.com/ScriptGuideIndex.htm

Here's the summary:

Cartman abuses his Jewish friend Kyle, telling him that Jews killed Christ:

Cartman: Agh! You see guys, this is why you don't bring Jews along on the away team: they don't play along!
Kyle: Shut up about Jews, fatass! You don't know anything!
Stan: Oh God, here we go again.
Cartman: Oh yeah?! I saw Mel Gibson's movie, The Passion, and Mel Gibson says, in the movie, Jews are the Devil!
Kyle: He does not!
Cartman: How do you know?! I've seen The Passion thirty-four times now, Kyle! You haven't seen it once! There's even one part where the Jews have a chance to save Jesus, and you know what they do? They let Barabbas, a serial killer, go free instead and laugh about it.

When they boys go to see it, Kyle throws up in the theater, but the other 2 think the movie stinks and want their money back:

Stan: That movie sucked ass. Give us back our eighteen dollars.
Shlomo: I can't refund your money. You sat through the whole movie.
Stan: That wasn't a movie, that was a snuff film!
Kenny: (Yeah!)
Stan: You can't charge people to watch a guy get tortured for two hours!
Shlomo: That guy happened to be Jesus, and he went through all that to pay for YOUR SINS!
Stan: We go to church to learn that stuff! We go to movies to be entertained! We weren't entertained, and we want our money back!
Shlomo: I'm now allowed to give you your money back after you sat through the whole movie! You'd have to take your complaint up with the film's producers.
Stan: W-what? Mel Gibson? You're saying we have to get our money back from Mel Gibson?
Shlomo: Yeah. I'd like to see you try.
Stan: Oh, we will! This is America! And in America, if something sucks, you're supposed to be able to get your money back! Come on, Kenny! [he and Kenny storm off]

They go to California to see Gibson and ask for their money back, and find a wacked out lunatic Gibson. They take their $18 out if his wallet only to have him chase them down:

Jack: H-he's not... quite as eloquent as I had pictured.
Mel: [backs up towards a building] Yeah... [grabs a piece of crap from his ass and removes it from his briefs, turns around, and defaces the building] Well. I guess you wanna torture me now, don't you?!
Kyle: [joins Stan and Kenny] Dude, what's wrong with him?
Stan: He's kookoo, dude. He's absolutely out of his mind.
Mel: You! You would all love to torture me, wouldn't you? [gets down on all fours and hoists his ass up] Okay, fine. See what you can fit in there, I can take it!
Kyle: Dude! I've been freaked out this whole time because of THAT guy's movie?
Mel: [rises and walks up to the boys] Fine! If nobody here is man enough to torture me, then just give me my eighteen dollars!
Stan: It's our eighteen dollars! Your movie sucked!
Mel: You can't say my movie sucked, or else you're saying Christianity sucked!
Stan: No, dude, if you wanna be Christian, that's cool, but, you should follow what Jesus taught instead of how he got killed. Focusing on how he got killed is what people did in the Dark Ages and it ends up with really bad results.

In the meantime, Cartman organizes the neo-Nazi brigade to target Jews, under the guise of a Mel Gibson "Passion" fan club:







771 posted on 07/31/2006 4:27:12 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 ("Government is not the solution to the problem; government is the problem."--Ronald Reagan)
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To: juliej

Yeah, Howard Dean said during the 2004 campaign "it's not our place to take sides" with regard to Israel's battles. We needed an "evenhanded" approach in the region. His comments. So I suppose he'd be neutral on Hezbollah.

I don't know. Maybe that's better than how much of the rest of the world is reacting (loads of sympathy that is essentially thinly dsiguised pro-Hezbollah propaganda)


772 posted on 07/31/2006 4:30:07 PM PDT by olderwiser
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To: juliej

As MacDonald points out, Mark provided an important clue to his readers that his story was fictional which no one could miss: he called the prisoner "Barabbas." Barabbas means "the son of the father" 1. Thus, Mark has Pilate set up a contest between two "sons of the father", one real, the other not. Of course, this unlikely contest probably only took place in the creative imagination of Mark, who wanted to create for his readers a parable teaching the goodness of Jesus and the evilness of his persecutors.




An Unlikely Practice

MacDonald notes that there is no evidence independent of Mark that it was ever the custom at feasts for the Romans to release a prisoner requested by the Jews. Furthermore, such a practice would make no sense, and would be quite foolish: it's not likely, for example, that the Romans would release a prisoner accused of murdering soldiers. Thus, this "practice" of releasing a prisoner probably existed only in the imagination of Mark, who just needed to have two men to have a contest between one good man and a bad one, similar to the one which occurred in Homer; Mark already had the first man on the stage--Jesus, and through an artless contrivance he brought on the second one


773 posted on 07/31/2006 4:33:59 PM PDT by billstone
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To: Eric Blair 2084

Well, Christmas, great as it is, isn't the most important Holiday on the Christian calendar. That's reserved for Easter Week--Holy Thursday, Good Friday and Easter Sunday. That would be the death and ressurection of Christ.

Meditating on Christ's rejection by men and death, is directly related to his teachings. His first and greatest commandment was “Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind." Rejecting God is the essense of sin we all engage in. It represents the opposite of Christ's teaching. And it was embodied not only by the rejection and death of Christ, but by the utterly cruel and depraved way he was rejected. That is the twisted heart of sin.

No, once in awhile I'll tune into Trey & Matt for a few laughs. But not for theological or historical insight.


774 posted on 07/31/2006 4:51:16 PM PDT by olderwiser
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To: billstone

I always suspected that this story did not take place and is meant as a parable. However, it has been used through the ages to cast aspersions upon Jews. I don't believe that any historian mentions a Bar-Abbas.


775 posted on 07/31/2006 5:10:58 PM PDT by Dodgers fan
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To: olderwiser

Fair enough. But I think the point is that Jesus taught and preached some very important lessons in his limited number of years of ministry as a rabbi.

We should be listening to his wisdom and what he said 2,000 years ago, not antagonizing others with a "snuff film" about his horrible death.

Sure he was the most important man who ever lived (whether you believe he is the son of God or not), but hundreds of thousands of people were crucified under Roman rule. Their death and torture were equally brutal.

Torture and capital punishment still goes on today. I'm far from being a bleeding heart liberal so I'm not crying about terrorists being woken from their nap or hardened criminals getting the chair, but...

Everyone regardless of whether they are Muslims, Jews, Christians, atheists, agnostics could learn something from Jesus' wise words. Parker and Stone were simply saying that should be the message and not a bloody horror flick that incites hatred.


776 posted on 07/31/2006 5:46:58 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 ("Government is not the solution to the problem; government is the problem."--Ronald Reagan)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

Fair enough. But proof is in the pudding, and conservative Christians (who saw the movie in droves and approved) have been staunch supporters of Israel and people of Jewish faith in America.

A poisonous mixture Muslim fundamentalism, extreme Arab nationalism and blame America leftists here, in Europe, and the Middle East are the root of the current problem.


777 posted on 07/31/2006 6:00:59 PM PDT by olderwiser
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To: Dodgers fan

It's interesting that Pope John Paul II mentioned Barabbas in this way on Good Friday, 1998, speaking about responsibility for the death of Jesus:

"Oh no, not the Jewish people, crucified by us [Christians] for so long, not the crowd which will always prefer Barabbas because he repays evil with evil, not them, but all of us, each one of us, because we are all murderers of love."

http://www.bc.edu/research/cjl/meta-elements/texts/cjrelations/resources/education/magisterium_crucifixion.htm


778 posted on 07/31/2006 6:15:21 PM PDT by olderwiser
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To: olderwiser

Your points are dead on accurate. But with all due respect (please explain because I don't get it) I'm not sure what Mel Gibson or the "Passion" has to do with mideast peace.

To add to your observations though, it's true that Arab nationalism is an issue. I have an insiders view on this one. They haven't gotten over the fact that they lost the wars against Israel in 1967 and 1973. They can't simply take pride in the fact that they fought as a legitimate, brave Army and gave it their best shot...and got their butts kicked.

It happens. Heck, the USA lost in Vietnam. The Soviets lost in Afganistan. The Nazi's and imperial Japan lost WWII. Fair and square.

Get over it and move on. They won't let it go.

Imagine if Japan and Germany refused to admit defeat 60 years ago. They would still be outlaw regimes today instead of selling Honda's and Benz's around the world and living in peace in productive peaceful countries.

Your other point, about the left and the Jewish vote has been a mystery to me for some time. It's a source of debate for me and my very close Jewish friends. I still don't understand why Jews continue to vote predominantly for liberal left wing Democrats.

Their explanation, and it is plausible, is that it doesn't matter who is in the White House or Congress, they will support Israel regardless. I guess they have other issues to consider.


779 posted on 07/31/2006 7:00:14 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 ("Government is not the solution to the problem; government is the problem."--Ronald Reagan)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

Well, I think Dem support for Israel will be tepid and rhetorical if, say, the reborn rad Al Gore somehow makes it into the White House.

As for Japan and Germany, they had no choice about accpting Allied Victory. The only victory we would accept was complete and unconditional. And we literally pulverized them, including inflicting enormous damage on huge numbers of civilians, until they were totally and ruiniously defeated.

My point about Gibson/The Passion is simply that the movie did not increase or produce a negative climate for Jews among its audience--the conservative Christians who supported and saw the movie.


780 posted on 07/31/2006 7:19:16 PM PDT by olderwiser
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To: Eric Blair 2084

The left, which panned the movie, are growing more virulently anti-Israel (which I say is synonymous with being anti-Jewish, given the history culminating with the Holocaust).

The Christian right remains strongly supportive of Israel and our country's effort to confront Islamic radicals who see Israel and America as the twin Satan.


781 posted on 07/31/2006 7:24:45 PM PDT by olderwiser
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To: olderwiser

I know what you mean about pulvarizing Germany and Japan.

Western military and economic might has done worse to the Arab world. We've beaten them in every way that someone can be beaten. Militarily, economically, socially, intellectually, athletically in soccer (Football).

But they won't give up. They can't seem to get over it.

MEMO TO THE ARAB WORLD: YOU LOST. You fought bravely like fierce warriors. You should be proud of yourselves. There is no shame in fighting and losing with honor.

The smart ones are here posting on Free Republic. The rest are trying to fight a battle that they lost decades ago.


782 posted on 07/31/2006 7:34:31 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 ("Government is not the solution to the problem; government is the problem."--Ronald Reagan)
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To: olderwiser

I guess I've followed you on a tangent that has nothing do with Mel Gibson. But your point is well taken and I hope you get mine too.


783 posted on 07/31/2006 7:37:10 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 ("Government is not the solution to the problem; government is the problem."--Ronald Reagan)
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To: Shimmer128
I am not an alcoholic and I have never drank much at all, but i talked with my husband, who has been recovering for 7 years and spent MANY more than that as an avid practicing alcoholic. I was wondering how .12 would affect an alcoholic so severely. I doubt it and so does he. Perhaps there was something else in his system????

I understand your doubt and that of your recovering spouse. (congrats to you both BTW). It’s hard to say. I can only speak to my experience and what I’ve heard from others and their stories and from what I’ve read from the medical community.

The great puzzle of the alcoholic’s constitution is that we can have an extremely high tolerance for alcohol at some point – I could once drink any man, twice or three times my size right under the table without even trying (and of this I used to be very proud) but as the disease (or addiction if you like) progressed, the tolerance changed and at some point a much smaller amount caused a higher level of intoxication and loss of control than what was needed before. The effects became much more unpredictable.

I would not automatically assume that other substances were involved but then the alcoholic may and some do seek and turn to other drugs to either moderate or enhance the effects of the booze.

Only a full tox screen or his personal admission would tell the full story. In the end it doesn’t really matter. Alcohol is a drug, a mood altering, mind-altering drug. Unlike other drugs, it can be legally purchased and consumed and enjoyed socially and it is not addictive to the extent of drugs like heroine or cocaine but to the addictive, a drug is a drug.
784 posted on 07/31/2006 9:34:56 PM PDT by Caramelgal (There can be no happiness if the things we believe in are different from the things we do.)
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To: Caramelgal

As a trained professional beer drinker (professional drinker on a closed course do not attempt this at home), that was my first reaction.

.12? That's 4 beers for a man who weighs 200 pounds like Mel Gibson. That is hardly enough to be so drunk as to start spouting stupidity and racial epithets to law enforcement officials.

Ted Kennedy has probably voted on many bills with a BAC twice that.

There is something else going on here.


785 posted on 07/31/2006 10:02:36 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 ("Government is not the solution to the problem; government is the problem."--Ronald Reagan)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

I think it is because their grandparents worshipped FDR - wrongly, I might add - and it is embedded in them. More religious Jews vote Republican. The "secular" Jews see the Democratic platform as their religion and not the Torah, which is unfortunate. However, more Jews are changing their voting patterns and I believe there will be a shift in the next ten years. My son, like me, will vote Republican.


786 posted on 08/01/2006 6:39:06 AM PDT by juliej (juliej)
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To: olderwiser

Ironically, the Islamofascists borrow the language of old-fashioned Christian anti-Semitism.


787 posted on 08/01/2006 6:40:09 AM PDT by juliej (juliej)
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To: juliej

No, they have plenty of it in the Koran.


788 posted on 08/01/2006 6:57:23 AM PDT by olderwiser
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To: Caramelgal

Thanks for all the info. Dh never reached the point of getting more sensitive, and hasn't had to start over in 7 years, so i guess he didn't have experience like you mention.
Good to know.


789 posted on 08/01/2006 12:46:03 PM PDT by Shimmer128 (Anything that offends 3 people must be banned. The 200 million just have to suck it up.)
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To: Hildy

Best investment he ever made.


790 posted on 08/02/2006 1:18:42 AM PDT by Al Simmons (Hillary Clinton is Stalin in a Dress)
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To: LdSentinal

Not everything a person says while drunk is what they truly believe. I've seen two types of drunks - the "good ole boys" and those who get angry. The ones who get angry while drunk do and say things they would never do while sober because the alcohol disrupts their brain chemistry. Later, when they find out what they did and said, they are generally horified.

What I feel the worst about is not what Mel Gibson did or said while under the influence of a powerful drug - alcohol. What I feel the worst about is that this man is so very addicted he can't quit, even though he seems to want to. It's like the person with lung cancer who can't stop smoking even though they know it's killing them. In Mr. Gibson's case, he can't stop drinking. A near death experience might be the only thing to pull him away from the bottle, sad to say.


791 posted on 08/07/2006 1:02:42 PM PDT by sonofstar
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To: LdSentinal
I've seen many soldiers, who aren't alcoholics, spout off many embarrassing statements when they've had a bit too much- but, I'll stand by every one of them in battle. Alcohol and drugs can bring out really stupid behavior in otherwise honorable men.

Not that Mel has an excuse, but this is one incident that is far more harmless than we've seen from the likes of others. My point is simply that you can't tell the character of a man by one action- He has shown better judgement over many years (as far as we know) than this one night of stupidity.

792 posted on 08/21/2006 8:18:22 AM PDT by DilJective (Proudly serving in the US Army)
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