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U.S. Lags World in Grasp of Genetics and Acceptance of Evolution
Live Science ^ | 08/10/06 | Ker Than

Posted on 08/11/2006 11:54:04 AM PDT by presidio9

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To: kawaii

Where do genus and species come in? What else but common ancestor? Relation is the core of evolution. What else is there to classify by? Weight? Good for salad?


61 posted on 08/11/2006 12:39:34 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: DNA-RNA-AA

It's not a matter of what you or I think they are its a matter of whether we take the scientific road, and allow all evidence to presented both favorable and unfavorable and a reason minded student to make a conclusion, or if we take the faith road of there being an inquision any time disent is raised.


62 posted on 08/11/2006 12:40:12 PM PDT by kawaii
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To: ndt

Ah, the acolytes of Darwin make their obligatory appearance.

Nothing more needs to be said.


63 posted on 08/11/2006 12:40:41 PM PDT by BelegStrongbow (www.stjosephssanford.org)
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To: DNA-RNA-AA

The kind of information mongering that Coulter addresses like the superficial stuff one gets from "Scientific American." This is all the average biologist knows about the subject, or certainly the average high school biology teacher or the average physician/nurse. Like "Sportin Life" in" Porgy and Bess." she is saying that 'taine necessarily so." where most people in the life sciences claim necessity simply because it is in their textbooks.


64 posted on 08/11/2006 12:40:43 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: DNA-RNA-AA

Oh sorry, I misread it, your last sentence to me was misleading. My apoligies.


65 posted on 08/11/2006 12:42:16 PM PDT by aft_lizard (born conservative...I chose to be a republican)
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To: RightWhale

Genus and species are part of the taxonomic classification system, by which living things are classified. Evolution is a theory that relates elements of that system and seeks to explain their similarities and differences; your mistaking the forest for the trees.


66 posted on 08/11/2006 12:43:14 PM PDT by kawaii
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To: presidio9

What a crock. Conservative Christians desire a rigorous examination of genetics and other biological disciplines. It is not us, but evolutionists, who are running away from objective science by stacking one untenable hypothesis upon another!

Teach the students the FACTS of genetics, and then let them draw their own logical conclusions about whether such marvelous complexity organized itself.


67 posted on 08/11/2006 12:43:33 PM PDT by Elpasser
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To: BelegStrongbow
"Ah, the acolytes of Darwin make their obligatory appearance.

Nothing more needs to be said."


Ah, those unable to refute a stated fact and instead resort to off the cuff dismissals make their obligatory appearance.

Nothing more needs to be said.
69 posted on 08/11/2006 12:44:16 PM PDT by ndt
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To: presidio9
I am a fundamental Christian, or however people choose to label it. I have read many books on the subject, enough to know that creation is just as valid a theory as evolution. Anybody who thinks otherwise is, of course entitled to their opinion, but I would highly recommend reading Hugh Ross.

But my biggest problem (among many) with evolution is not scientific. It has to do with my faith. I believe humans are different from animals because we have souls. But what was the dividing line between ape and human? If we evolved from apes, at what point did we get our souls? Did God one day decide that every ape that had a certain mutation would get a soul, but the other apes were just out of luck because they weren't "human" enough? What was the genetic mutation that suddenly made apes human enough to warrant souls?

I hope I'm making myself clear enough on this issue, since stuff like this tends to get muddled when you try to explain it in writing, but if anyone who believes both in God and in evolution has a reasonable resonse to this, I'd love to hear it.

70 posted on 08/11/2006 12:44:21 PM PDT by The Blitherer (You were given the choice between war & dishonor. You chose dishonor & you will have war. -Churchill)
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To: kawaii

Evolution is the basis of the taxonomic system. There is no other basis.


71 posted on 08/11/2006 12:45:17 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: The Blitherer

Oh, and let me also say that I believe in natural selection on a micro-evolutionary scale, but not a macro-evolutionary scale.


72 posted on 08/11/2006 12:46:14 PM PDT by The Blitherer (You were given the choice between war & dishonor. You chose dishonor & you will have war. -Churchill)
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To: DannyTN
That Americans don't know that all plants and animals have DNA is a bigger concern, but I seriously doubt that claim.

I don't doubt it. Surveys for the past several decades have consistently found huge percentages of American adults who don't know who the current President is (VP stats are even more alarming), can't find the continental US on a globe, and at the height of the Cold War, didn't know that the Soviet Union and China were Communist countries. However, this article seems to jump to the conclusion that people who answer "No" to the question "Do all plants and animals have DNA?" are somehow being influenced by a belief in Biblical creationism and imagine that humans are special in this respect. More likely, they simply have no idea what "DNA" is, but have vaguely absorbed references to DNA testing in crime cases, but have never heard of DNA in any other context (after all, many of our most clueless citizens live in crime-infested cities, where many of their friends and relatives -- and themselves -- have had occasion to have DNA samples tested by police, and many are also regular watchers of TV crime shows). You'd probably get about the same percent of "No" answers to the question "Do all plants and animals have fingerprints?", for the same reason, and in that case the same simple reasoning process would have resulted in the correct answer.

73 posted on 08/11/2006 12:46:47 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: DNA-RNA-AA

What would you call the farce that was the Scopes trial? What about Dover?

Its a fact that there IS an inquisition.

As for Nobel prizes, most are awarded for political accomplishments of the left.


74 posted on 08/11/2006 12:46:49 PM PDT by kawaii
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To: Mr. Mojo

I realize that after the fact, his last sentence was rather confusing.


75 posted on 08/11/2006 12:47:21 PM PDT by aft_lizard (born conservative...I chose to be a republican)
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To: RightWhale

Evolution is not a classification system. I'm starting to see why some of you folks can buy flimsy ideas like evolution.


76 posted on 08/11/2006 12:48:00 PM PDT by kawaii
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To: RSteyn
What is at issue is not biological kinship but the uniqueness of the human being, with his relationship with God. The medieval theologians accepted the old Greek idea of the chain of being. Many people reject the sovereignty of man, because they are so into a denial of a natural hierarchy, not because of the empirical data. The fishing around for evidence that shows an intellectual capacity among certain animals that is commensurate with that of man gets a lot more ink than it deserves. It is a modern equivalent to alchemy and astronomy.
78 posted on 08/11/2006 12:49:27 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: presidio9
lol. a 'survey' is not science for one thing.

darn, why are we such a third world country? oh wait, we're the only superpower?? But this article suggests

Oh thats right, this is nothing more than a bash America article.

79 posted on 08/11/2006 12:49:35 PM PDT by GeronL (http://www.mises.org/story/1975 <--no such thing as a fairtax)
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To: DannyTN

That Americans don't know that all plants and animals have DNA is a bigger concern, >>>

Doesnt concern me one bit, after all we all arent going to be going into biology as a living..besides I would assume that most people believe that animals have DNA but not plants which is perfectly reasonable response from people who havent had a biology class or a class in years.


80 posted on 08/11/2006 12:50:32 PM PDT by aft_lizard (born conservative...I chose to be a republican)
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