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UDC marks another black Confederate grave
crossville-chronicle.com ^ | August 17, 2006 | By Clayta Richards / Chronicle staffwriter

Posted on 08/27/2006 9:13:18 AM PDT by smug

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To: Heyworth
And did anyone starve to death?

In my genealogical searches, I have found several family members that did.

201 posted on 08/29/2006 3:45:00 PM PDT by 4CJ (Annoy a liberal, honour Christians and our gallant Confederate dead)
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To: rustbucket
Had the government gone the way suggested by Lincoln's anecdote, a good many former slaves might have starved.

And once again we see the difference between a rather lame joke and an action. Four weeks to the day after the Hampton Roads Peace Conference, Lincoln signed the Freedmen's Bureau Act, which gave out 15 million meals over its aborted lifetime.

202 posted on 08/29/2006 3:49:29 PM PDT by Heyworth
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To: usmcobra

Why not read Thomas Sowell's 'Race and Culture'. Particularly chapter 8 (begins on page 188 if memory serves). Fascinating reading. Just in case you don't know, Dr. Sowell is black, and the chapter deals with slavery throughout the ages.


203 posted on 08/29/2006 3:51:32 PM PDT by 4CJ (Annoy a liberal, honour Christians and our gallant Confederate dead)
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To: 4CJ
"The extent of the relief afforded by the charity of the North and by the agencies of the United States Government is not now generally remembered, probably on account of the later objectionable activities of the Freedmen's Bureau, but it was at the time properly appreciated. A Southern journalist, writing of what he saw in Georgia, remarked that "it must be a matter of gratitude as well as surprise for our people to see a Government which was lately fighting us with fire and sword and shell, now generously feeding our poor and distressed. In the immense crowds which throng the distributing house, I notice the mothers and fathers, widows and orphans of our soldiers . . . . Again, the Confederate soldier, with one leg or one arm, the crippled, maimed, and broken, and the worn and destitute men, who fought bravely their enemies then, their benefactors now, have their sacks filled and are fed."

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204 posted on 08/29/2006 3:59:35 PM PDT by Heyworth
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To: rustbucket
Particularly since the "root, hog, or die" version of the story said that both blacks and whites would starve, not just whites.

Mr. Hunter said that, after wringing his hands in woe, wondering who would plant the crop and harverst the results since no self respecting white person would do that. Lincoln saw right through that when he noted that Hunter had far more experience with the slave system than Lincoln did. Hunter wasn't concerned with the freed slaves, other than to give them lip-service. He was worried about him and his kind. And Lincoln correctly pointed out that they would now have to change their ways and perform tasks for themselves. They would have to root or die.

Stephens' version talked about the old and infirm and women and children as not being able to take care of themselves.

No doubt life would be harder for them without their chattel to do the work for them. But sorry, I can't muster any more sympathy for the former slave owners than Lincoln could.

205 posted on 08/29/2006 4:10:22 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: 4CJ

I'm well aware of the fact that Dr. Sowell is black.

So what are you really trying to say, that he approves of slavery, that he approves of the confederacy?


206 posted on 08/29/2006 4:16:39 PM PDT by usmcobra (I got my end of the world underwear on, It's totally stain proof and aluminum.)
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To: 4CJ
Bwahahahahahaha! Yes, context is a wonderful thing.

Something you have shown very little recognition of.

According to Lincoln what Hunter said was, "...substantially, that the slaves, always accustomed to an overseer, and to work upon compulsion, suddenly freed, as they would be if the South should consent to peace on the basis of the 'Emancipation Proclamation,' would precipitate not only themselves, but the entire Southern society, into irremediable ruin. No work would be done, nothing would be cultivated, and both blacks and whites would starve!" My goodness! No work would be done? Nothing would be cultivated? Starvation? Who did the work? Who cultivated the crops? Not Mr. Hunter and his peers, that's for sure. Otherwise why the fears? The slave labor did the work, that's who. They would be able to fend for themselves better that people like Hunter unused to actual manual labor. Hunter would have to roor. Or die.

207 posted on 08/29/2006 4:17:31 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: 4CJ
In my genealogical searches, I have found several family members that did.

I guess they didn't root hard enough, huh?

208 posted on 08/29/2006 5:58:32 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

Youyr gloating over the starvation death of an old woman and two small children is beneath contempt.


209 posted on 08/29/2006 7:06:40 PM PDT by 4CJ (Annoy a liberal, honour Christians and our gallant Confederate dead)
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To: usmcobra
let me say once more, YOUR questions are STUPID, simplistic & those of a NITWIT.

enough already.

like i said before, since nobody but "Mr SPIN" & i will respond to your FOOLISHNESS, that should tell you something IF you are 1/10th as smart as you seem to think you are.

why not head over to DU & post your NONSENSE to the other EX-FReepers from the DAMNyankee coven of lunatics, haters & BIGOTS, who reside over there.

you should further note that NOT a single member of "the rebel contingent" is on DU.

free dixie,sw

210 posted on 08/29/2006 7:24:49 PM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: stand watie

Where are all these people that you say think I'm hilarious?

No, seriously, you can't even get your bestest confederbuddies to try and take me out for you, much less get any one else here to tell me to join you at the DU, so why should I?

One more question since I know you love them so much.

What is the Democratic underground paying you to recruit freepers for them to record those freeper's e-mail addresses and IP's before they tombstone their accounts?


211 posted on 08/29/2006 7:47:13 PM PDT by usmcobra (I got my end of the world underwear on, It's totally stain proof and aluminum.)
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To: usmcobra
lol AT you. you obviously are either a TROLL and/or a FOOL. which is it???

IF you are so "wunnerful, wunnerful" can you tell me why nobody except "Mr. SPIN" & i post to you??? (MOST don't want to be "tarred with the same brush" with "Mr SPIN" & "Duh snake".)

"Mr SPIN" is BOTH a FOOL & a BIGOT. i enjoy RIDICULING both of you nitwits.

lol AT you!

free dixie,sw

212 posted on 08/29/2006 8:12:00 PM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: stand watie
Remember I'm still willing to make that little bet with you anytime you find the stones to do so...

An impartial jury of three or more FReeper and five posts by each of us to make our best points on the confederacy, democrats, and racism and the loser leaves for good.

I'm always willing and you're always avoiding.

Simple question time....Which one of us is a man of their convictions?

We both know the answer which is why I so enjoy asking you the question you refuse to answer.

213 posted on 08/29/2006 8:27:57 PM PDT by usmcobra (I got my end of the world underwear on, It's totally stain proof and aluminum.)
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To: usmcobra
from now on, all i plan to say to you is: CONSTANT ridicule of you & your DUMB personal opinions.

head over to DU & take your buddy "Mr SPIN" with you, as you dance out the door.

you will NOT be missed on FR, but you will fit in just FINE on DU.

free dixie,sw

214 posted on 08/29/2006 8:36:49 PM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: stand watie

Do they hate democrats as much as I do?


215 posted on 08/29/2006 8:45:51 PM PDT by usmcobra (I got my end of the world underwear on, It's totally stain proof and aluminum.)
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To: usmcobra
i suspect you of just being a TROLL!

trolls are NOBODIES in my book, as they are just interested in making waves for NO good reason. that seems to fit you PERFECTLY.

lol AT you.

free dixie,sw

216 posted on 08/29/2006 8:49:07 PM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: Non-Sequitur

Osama bin Laden made the comment that he did not distinguish between those that were in the military and civilians - your pathetic comment proves you're just another Islamo-fascist liberal whackjob. Celebrating the death of innocents? I'll bet you little ol' heart just swelled with pride when your buds slammed planes into the Pentagon, Twin Towers and a field in Pennsylvania. You are disgusting.


217 posted on 08/29/2006 9:20:54 PM PDT by 4CJ (Annoy a liberal, honour Christians and our gallant Confederate dead)
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To: stand watie
Why is it dangerous for you to admit that The Confederacy was run by Democrats, or that Jim Crow Laws and the Confederate flag were used by Democrats to ensure that blacks in the south were second class citizens or that Democrats rule over minorities through racism or the specter of racism?
218 posted on 08/29/2006 9:24:14 PM PDT by usmcobra (I got my end of the world underwear on, It's totally stain proof and aluminum.)
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To: usmcobra
... the Confederate flag were used by Democrats to ensure that blacks in the south were second class citizens ...

Here is a famous picture for you (it might be copyrighted so I'll just provide the link). The guy who got attacked with a flag ended up covered with blood. [Flag used in attack and Story behind the photo]

219 posted on 08/29/2006 9:56:26 PM PDT by rustbucket (Bigots are everywhere)
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To: 4CJ
Youyr gloating over the starvation death of an old woman and two small children is beneath contempt.

Chalk it up to skepticism over the accuracy of your claims more than gloating.

220 posted on 08/30/2006 3:47:28 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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