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One in Four Smokers Will Get Lung Disease
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Posted on 10/17/2006 1:09:34 PM PDT by trumandogz

TUESDAY, Oct. 17 (HealthDay News) -- A new study finds that at least 1 in every 4 smokers will develop progressive and incurable chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD), a much higher risk than previously believed.

COPD is a respiratory disease that results in blocked air flow to the lungs and grows progressively worse.

For this study, published online in the journal Thorax, researchers at Hvidovre Hospital analyzed data on 8,000 men and women, ages 30 to 60. All were monitored for 25 years as part of the Copenhagen City Heart Study.

At the start of the study, all the participants' lungs were healthy and working normally. However, over the course of the 25 years, the lungs of almost all the male non-smokers continued to function normally, compared to 60 percent of men who continued to smoke.

Among women, 90 percent of non-smokers still had healthy lungs at the end of 25 years, compared to 70 percent of smokers.

Overall, 25 percent of the participants developed moderate or severe COPD over the 25 years. Persistent smokers were six times more likely to develop COPD than non-smokers.

During the 25 years, there were 2,900 deaths in the study group. Of those deaths, 109 were directly attributable to COPD, and nearly all those deaths were in people who were active smokers at the start of the study. Only two non-smokers died of COPD.

The study also found a sharp decline in the risk of COPD among people who stopped smoking soon after the start of the study. Over the 25 years, none of these ex-smokers developed severe COPD.


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1 posted on 10/17/2006 1:09:35 PM PDT by trumandogz
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To: trumandogz

WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!!!


2 posted on 10/17/2006 1:10:25 PM PDT by Toby06
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To: trumandogz

Which means that 75% NEVER HAVE A PROBLEM, so why not report it that way?!


3 posted on 10/17/2006 1:10:43 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: Toby06

Time for a smoke. BRB.


4 posted on 10/17/2006 1:10:44 PM PDT by Toby06
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To: trumandogz

You posted this, here?! Brave. Truly.


5 posted on 10/17/2006 1:11:01 PM PDT by Froufrou
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To: Froufrou

Hey, I did not write the Headline.


6 posted on 10/17/2006 1:12:24 PM PDT by trumandogz
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To: trumandogz

...well....at least they know what they're going to die from......


7 posted on 10/17/2006 1:12:31 PM PDT by auto power
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To: trumandogz
For this study, published online in the journal Thorax .....

Interesting name for a rag!

8 posted on 10/17/2006 1:13:25 PM PDT by Disturbin (Get back to work -- millions of people on welfare are counting on you!)
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To: wagglebee

Because the risk of COPD is much higher than was previously believed. That's the news-part of this.


9 posted on 10/17/2006 1:13:37 PM PDT by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: trumandogz
Over the 25 years, none of these ex-smokers developed severe COPD.

That's a better rate than those who never smoked. Hmmm....

10 posted on 10/17/2006 1:14:15 PM PDT by thoughtomator (Islam delenda est)
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To: trumandogz; wagglebee

Me know. As for the more positive spin waggy would prefer, wny would the media start being positive now?


11 posted on 10/17/2006 1:14:48 PM PDT by Froufrou
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To: trumandogz

Hacking cough ping.


12 posted on 10/17/2006 1:15:07 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: trumandogz

everyone who gets cancer has eaten carrots.


13 posted on 10/17/2006 1:15:16 PM PDT by Rakkasan1 ((Illegal immigrants are just undocumented friends you haven't met yet!))
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To: trumandogz
wow... who'd a thunk that inhaling a mixture of irritants, mutagens, and toxins could have serious health ramifications for a significant percentage of those who do so.
Yet another study from The Center for Figuring Out Obvious Things /rant

though I guess the actual percentages weren't obvious, along with the recovery rate after stopping smoking
14 posted on 10/17/2006 1:15:27 PM PDT by verum ago (The Iranian Space Agency: set phasers to jihad!)
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To: wagglebee
Which means that 75% NEVER HAVE A PROBLEM, so why not report it that way?!

The other 75% get heart disease, cancer, and bad breath.

15 posted on 10/17/2006 1:16:22 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Rakkasan1
everyone who gets cancer has eaten carrots.

I'm willing to bet that's not true!
16 posted on 10/17/2006 1:16:39 PM PDT by verum ago (The Iranian Space Agency: set phasers to jihad!)
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To: wagglebee
Which means that 75% NEVER HAVE A PROBLEM, so why not report it that way?!

Sort of like playing Russian Roulette with 1 loaded and 3 empty chambers. (Once)

17 posted on 10/17/2006 1:16:56 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: trumandogz

Alternative headline....three out of four smokers will not get lung disease


18 posted on 10/17/2006 1:17:30 PM PDT by svcw
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To: trumandogz

That is GOOD NEWS! I used to think it was a 100% certainty to develop COPD and about as high to get Cancer!

Guess that proves again to limit reading of the MSM...Too much misleading information being published for my tastes.

BTW, what is the REAL news on the Economy and the War?


19 posted on 10/17/2006 1:18:46 PM PDT by coldoc
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To: Disturbin
"For this study, published online in the journal Thorax .....

I only subscribe for the pictures.

21 posted on 10/17/2006 1:20:19 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: verum ago

While I sat on my front porch drinking a beer and having a smoke, I watched a neighbor jog out of the neighborhood. He led the 'healthiest' possible lifestyle. He got hit by a bus and died that night. I'm still alive. And happy.


22 posted on 10/17/2006 1:20:43 PM PDT by Toby06
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To: trumandogz; Gabz; SheLion; CSM
Puff

So 25% get COPD and out of that 25% how many die from it?

Reread the article.

23 posted on 10/17/2006 1:21:29 PM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Disturbin

Isn't Thorax a character on "Space Ghost - Coast to Coast" on the Cartoon Network? LOL


24 posted on 10/17/2006 1:22:23 PM PDT by Unknown Pundit
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To: trumandogz
Bottom line: If you can quit smoking - quit.

If people would take better care of their health, maybe those of us who do wouldn't have to subsidize those would constantly go to the doctor for avoidable problems driving up our insurance rates.

Then again, better to raise your fist in defiance claiming smoking is just fine.

25 posted on 10/17/2006 1:22:32 PM PDT by zarf
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To: Baynative

Except they've been paying more taxes than anyone else via the extra taxes placed on cigarettes.

So does a smoker who doesn't develop lung disease or lung cancer get a rebate when they're 80 or 90?


26 posted on 10/17/2006 1:22:49 PM PDT by petitfour
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To: zarf

I am betting that prior to post 50 someone will claim that smoking has positive effects on your lungs and your overall health.


27 posted on 10/17/2006 1:24:11 PM PDT by trumandogz
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To: Unknown Pundit
No, that's Zorak.


28 posted on 10/17/2006 1:25:13 PM PDT by Gordongekko909 (Mark 5:9)
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To: Toby06
I didn't say anyone shouldn't smoke. BUT YOU SHOULDN'T EAT TRANSFATS! just kidding.

I personally don't smoke or want to smoke, but hey, that's my personal decision. And for you it's your personal decision. I was just venting a little frustration on the flood of studies conducted nowadays that yield blindingly obvious results (albeit, due to it's specifics this wasn't the best example of one) and waste money and good minds for years at a time.
29 posted on 10/17/2006 1:28:43 PM PDT by verum ago (The Iranian Space Agency: set phasers to jihad!)
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To: trumandogz

All the defenders of smoking will make snide comments here and I too take studies like these with a grain of salt.

Having said that though...

COPD is a horrible way to die. I watched my mother-in-law die from it, drowning in her own fluids and it wasn't pretty.

Yes, she was a life long smoker.


30 posted on 10/17/2006 1:28:58 PM PDT by Trampled by Lambs (Ok, so changing my name was not such a good idea after all...)
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To: trumandogz

Just to help you win, trumandogz...

http://www.forces.org/evidence/evid/therap.htm


31 posted on 10/17/2006 1:31:19 PM PDT by jacquej
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To: trumandogz

Smoking is good for you. It increases lung power and let's you live longer and a more enjoyable life. Plus it's cool and it gets the babes.


32 posted on 10/17/2006 1:32:33 PM PDT by CJ Wolf (you win)
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To: trumandogz

"I am betting that prior to post 50 someone will claim that smoking has positive effects on your lungs and your overall health."

How much on that bet? I challenge you to find a serious post where someone really believes that.


33 posted on 10/17/2006 1:33:55 PM PDT by L98Fiero (Evil is an exact science)
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To: L98Fiero

See 32!


34 posted on 10/17/2006 1:35:11 PM PDT by trumandogz
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To: Unknown Pundit
I thought it was a Seuss book.


35 posted on 10/17/2006 1:38:23 PM PDT by Toby06
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To: trumandogz

36% of all the subjects died; 1.25% of all died of COPD; at the end of 25 years, the survivors ranged from 55 to 85 years of age; short of knowing what the rest died of and at what age death occurred, COPD would seem to be the least of their worries.


36 posted on 10/17/2006 1:38:23 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: trumandogz

For the non-smokers, it probably does.


37 posted on 10/17/2006 1:39:26 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: trumandogz
I am betting that prior to post 50 someone will claim that smoking has positive effects on your lungs and your overall health.

Already been done - in 1937:


38 posted on 10/17/2006 1:42:24 PM PDT by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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To: Rakkasan1

everyone who gets cancer has eaten carrots.
_________

100% of orange juice drinkers die.
95% of men engage in, uh, acts of self pleasure
the other 5% lie.


39 posted on 10/17/2006 1:44:05 PM PDT by dmz
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To: svcw
Alternative headline....three out of four smokers will not get lung disease

3/4 of smokers will not get COPD. Instead, they'll get lung cancer, emphysema, smoking-related heart disease or stroke, breast cancer, throat cancer, mouth cancer, or any one of dozens of other ailments that have been conclusively linked to smoking.

40 posted on 10/17/2006 1:45:03 PM PDT by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: Alter Kaker

Not me. I only smoke the cigarettes that are bad for pregnant women. You got to read the side of the pack to make sure you get the right one.


41 posted on 10/17/2006 1:46:17 PM PDT by CougarGA7 (This tag line will be commercial free for the remainder of this thread.)
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To: Tokra
...and from 1942:


42 posted on 10/17/2006 1:46:34 PM PDT by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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To: dmz
Image Hosted by ImageShack.us engage your mind
43 posted on 10/17/2006 1:46:56 PM PDT by Rakkasan1 ((Illegal immigrants are just undocumented friends you haven't met yet!))
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To: dmz
100% of orange juice drinkers die.

But they don't die from the orange juice!

44 posted on 10/17/2006 1:47:23 PM PDT by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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To: Trampled by Lambs

My father and Uncle also a life long smokers died from COPD. It truly is a horrible way to die. What people don't seem to understand is that although they eventually do drown the death is slow. Kidney failure, muscle atrophy, etc. The body just withers away. Very sad.


45 posted on 10/17/2006 1:48:22 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter ( I am sitting under my cone of silence, inside a copper wire cage wearing a tin foil hat...)
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To: petitfour

Not to mention that the cost of end-of-life care for a smoker dying of smoking-related illness is generally much LOWER than a non-smoker who gradually dies of old age with all of its associated ailments.


46 posted on 10/17/2006 1:48:45 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: Toby06
I'd bet money that you have never visited a chronic hospital's trach ward.

Have you ever even met a tracheotomy patient? Have you ever seen a person who has to breathe with 100% mechanical support?

You would not jest about this subject so readily after watching just a couple of patients being suctioned mechanically because their own bodies lack the capacity to move their lung secretions.

I read that 15% percent of all people are predisposed to certain types of COPD. That fraction of people who elect to smoke cigarettes are certainly headed for years of absolute misery because of that choice.

Maybe you are in that 15%, and maybe not, but your snide comments do no good for the people who were possibly just as arrogant concerning their prospects of ever becoming a COPDer. I'm certain that the family members of such victims would largely concur.

On the other hand, I'm going to be buying a really nice new car soon.I have my own personal relationship with a few COPDers. I take care of them, and I make a good living.
47 posted on 10/17/2006 1:49:36 PM PDT by Radix (This is my Tag Line.)
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To: Old Professer
36% of all the subjects died; 1.25% of all died of COPD;

COPD isn't primarily a killer, although it clearly kills. It debilitates, ruining quality of life.

How many of the other 34.75% who died died of smoking related ailments, I wonder?

48 posted on 10/17/2006 1:50:27 PM PDT by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: Radix
I'd bet money that you have never visited a chronic hospital's trach ward.

Pay up, sucker!

49 posted on 10/17/2006 1:50:57 PM PDT by Toby06
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To: Alter Kaker

conclusively?


50 posted on 10/17/2006 1:52:28 PM PDT by svcw
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