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Dinosaurs, humans coexist in U.S. creation museum
Reuters ^ | 1 hour, 39 minutes ago | Andrea Hopkins

Posted on 01/14/2007 5:31:07 PM PST by Tim Long

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As predicted- people scream for facts and links- when provided- they throw their hands over their ears and say 'nuh uh'

Want to know why dating methods aren't reliable? http://www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/3059

Want ot ignore it because it's on a Christian website despite hte fact that SCIENCE proves the facts listed? Fine-


261 posted on 01/15/2007 11:58:29 AM PST by CottShop
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To: MadIvan

ah the classic bow out- and you're right- God did state that we're not to argue facts when confronted with lies- Being spiteful? I'm sorry- you're right- calling those sites that present scientific facts as 'gospel tracts' isn't being spiteful- Don't dish it out of you don't like the return serve.


262 posted on 01/15/2007 12:01:34 PM PST by CottShop
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To: MadIvan

The scary thing is they'd have argued just as hard for the geocentric universe if they'd been born a few centuries earlier.


263 posted on 01/15/2007 12:06:33 PM PST by mgstarr
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To: Central Scrutiniser
The theocons want us not to think, to blindly accept dogma and stop doing what comes natural to mankind, using our brain. Oddly, so do the muslims, they both fear us using our potential fully.

It is interesting that you are attempting to propose an alternate theory to a creationist. They only have one source and if you refute "their interpretation" of the source you are branded a heathen ... this is their answer, they have no other answer to offer.

A scientist proposes a theory along with the empirical and "objective" evidence and research he has gathered to support the theory. The theory can then be tested by others and is either substantiated as valid or found faulty. A discourse can ensue, actual intelligent conversation, that may lead to a better understanding of our universe. You can't do this with a creationist.
264 posted on 01/15/2007 12:12:03 PM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: CottShop

Here's how your sources distort:

" When the isotope concentrations are adjusted for such conversions, the ages calculated are reduced from some 600 Ma to recent."

They have deleted the number "70 million years" and replaced it with "recent"!

If your sources believe recent is 70 million years ago, then you lose the YEC argument.


265 posted on 01/15/2007 12:28:13 PM PST by UpAllNight
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To: CottShop

BTW, your "Cook" was a creationist.


266 posted on 01/15/2007 12:28:44 PM PST by UpAllNight
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To: CottShop
Want to know why dating methods aren't reliable? http://www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/3059

Your link leads to a page of additional links. Rather than try to wade through them all I looked at the first link (which I have examined before).

The article deals with radiometric dating, and the section on radiocarbon dating (which is what we have been discussing) concludes with:

In summary, the carbon-14 method, when corrected for the effects of the flood, can give useful results, but needs to be applied carefully.


Want ot ignore it because it's on a Christian website despite hte fact that SCIENCE proves the facts listed? Fine-

Anyone who attempts to calibrate a scientific method by reference to a mythical flood is not doing science. They are doing apologetics (defense of religion).

Is there any better science on any of the other links? So far, your links are just a waste of our time.

267 posted on 01/15/2007 12:28:56 PM PST by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: mgstarr

--The scary thing is they'd have argued just as hard for the geocentric universe if they'd been born a few centuries earlier.--

Not that bad. They lost.


268 posted on 01/15/2007 12:29:24 PM PST by UpAllNight
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To: Coyoteman; CottShop

--Is there any better science on any of the other links?--

No. See my 264.


269 posted on 01/15/2007 12:30:21 PM PST by UpAllNight
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To: mgstarr

Typical creationist, ask him to back up a silly claim and you get nothing but dodging.


270 posted on 01/15/2007 12:30:54 PM PST by Central Scrutiniser (Never Let a Theocon Near a Textbook. Teach evolution.)
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To: CottShop

---SCIENCE proves the facts listed?---

One of their scientists they use to support their position.

Dr Andrew Snelling ... now works full-time with the Creation Science Foundation


271 posted on 01/15/2007 12:36:33 PM PST by UpAllNight
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To: Central Scrutiniser

For some reason I'm reminded of the scene in Monty Python's Holy Grail where they use "logic" to determine if someone is a witch.

BEDEVERE: Exactly. So, logically...
VILLAGER #1: If... she... weighs... the same as a duck,...she's made of wood.
BEDEVERE: And therefore?
VILLAGER #2: A witch!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcBXuFxMYd0


272 posted on 01/15/2007 12:41:41 PM PST by mgstarr
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To: popdonnelly

Aw crap. A perfectly good thread turned over to the EVO vs. Creationist people. Thats enought for me....


273 posted on 01/15/2007 12:43:05 PM PST by subterfuge (Today, Tolerance =greatest virtue;Hypocrisy=worst character defect; Discrimination =worst atrocity)
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To: UpAllNight

and this disproves that he presented scientific facts how now?


274 posted on 01/15/2007 12:46:38 PM PST by CottShop
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To: Coyoteman

No sir that wasn't the only point being made on that site- and attempting to disprove every point made based on ONE point being discussed is disingenuous and amounts to dismmissing everything simply because somehwere in the article the name God or flood or some similiar point is mentioned- there ar lots of FACTS in those articles that do NOT rely on the mention of that one point about hte flood- and you're attemptiong to misrepresent the whole by picking and choosing something you perceive as innacurate- The site also goes on the explain WHY adjustments could JUST AS validly be used to account for the anomilies that throw off the radio carbon dating-

the trueorigin site also goes into great detail the facts showing why different dating methods are wrong and can't be trusted and why those asserting old age MUST make assumptons based on error in order to come up with hteir findings-

Sure they'rew a waste of your time because you autom atically dismiss somethign hwen they make a point like a flood could very well have accouinted for for what they are findijng- incase you missed it- the article ALSO said the flood model has to be very carefully applied-

Take a look at that trueorigin site- but the creationontheweb site also has plenty of scientific fact for you to noodle over if you can get around the fact that they might mention God now and again


275 posted on 01/15/2007 12:57:55 PM PST by CottShop
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and these are by no means the only sites- there are sites that are quite technical and featured in peer reviewed scientific journals- but alas, they too might mention God & so the 'cast out anyone who does so' crowd will automatically discount any of the evidences

UpallNight- Sure- yep- every other point in that article is automatically thrown out- Facts swept under the rug- you're right- argument lost-


276 posted on 01/15/2007 1:01:28 PM PST by CottShop
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To: Coyoteman
You are doing apologetics (defense of religion), while I am doing science.

Many things that are called science are not science.

Science does not require faith because it is based on facts and theory.

This is true of real science. So there must be a "scientific" field of origins. This is where we step deep into faith. We can never verify the past but we must believe a stack of things about the past to accept any belief about our origin.

When people accept these assumptions about an unprovable past, no matter which ones they accept, the result is to form religion. We may think we see light coming from a source that is 10 billion light years away, and we may believe that the only way for that light to have gotten here is for it to have traveled the whole distance at a fixed speed, but we can never know that to be true.

277 posted on 01/15/2007 1:02:17 PM PST by DungeonMaster (Acts 17:11 also known as sola scriptura.)
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To: CottShop

"and this disproves that he presented scientific facts how now?"

Not by itself, but I have shown other 'distortions' (lies) and you have not addressed those. This is just an example that your 'scientific sources' are paid to generate pre-determined' facts.


278 posted on 01/15/2007 1:02:41 PM PST by UpAllNight
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To: Red_Devil 232

look- stop with the petty little accusations- IF you have an argument for or against what is being discussed- then present it- otherwise all you're doing is getting your little anti-Christian jabs in- feel good does it? Yeah? well it's still petty and childish- stay on topic- do some research- counter what I am stating with facts if you can rather than indulging in the irresistable temptation of bakcbiting and bickering- you can do it- I have faith


279 posted on 01/15/2007 1:05:14 PM PST by CottShop
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To: CottShop

--UpallNight- Sure- yep- every other point in that article is automatically thrown out- Facts swept under the rug- you're right- argument lost--

It would take forever to address each 'fact' on your link. I did, however, show how they deliberately lied to make results that showed something was 70 million years old to match the YEC hypothesis. Address that lie and we will go on to another.


280 posted on 01/15/2007 1:05:41 PM PST by UpAllNight
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