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Dinosaurs, humans coexist in U.S. creation museum
Reuters ^ | 1 hour, 39 minutes ago | Andrea Hopkins

Posted on 01/14/2007 5:31:07 PM PST by Tim Long

PETERSBURG, Kentucky - Ken Ham's sprawling creation museum isn't even open yet, but an expansion is already underway in the state-of-the art lobby, where grunting dinosaurs and animatronic humans coexist in a Biblical paradise.

A crush of media attention and packed preview sessions have convinced Ham that nearly half a million people a year will come to Kentucky to see his Biblically correct version of history.

"I think we'll be surprised at how many people come," Ham said as he dodged dozens of designers working to finish exhibits in time for the May 28 opening.

The $27 million project, which also includes a planetarium, a special-effects theater, nature trails and a small lake, is privately funded by people who believe the Bible's first book, Genesis, is literally true.

For them, a museum showing Christian schoolchildren and skeptics alike how the earth, animals, dinosaurs and humans were created in a six-day period about 6,000 years ago -- not over millions of years, as evolutionary science says -- is long overdue.

While foreign media and science critics have mostly come to snigger at exhibits explaining how baby dinosaurs fit on Noah's Ark and Cain married his sister to people the earth, museum spokesman and vice-president Mark Looy said the coverage has done nothing but drum up more interest.

"Mocking publicity is free publicity," Looy said. Besides, U.S. media have been more respectful, mindful perhaps of a 2006 Gallup Poll showing almost half of Americans believe that humans did not evolve, but were created by God in their present form within the last 10,000 years.

Looy said supporters of the museum include evangelical Christians, Orthodox Jews and conservative Catholics, as well as the local Republican congressman, Geoff Davis (news, bio, voting record), and his family, who have toured the site.

FROM 'JAWS' TO EDEN

While the debate between creationists and mainstream scientists has bubbled up periodically in U.S. schools since before the Scopes "monkey trial" in nearby Tennessee 80 years ago, courts have repeatedly ruled that teaching religious theory in public schools is unconstitutional.

Ham, an Australian who moved to America 20 years ago, believes creationists could have presented a better case at the Scopes trail if they'd been better educated -- but he's not among those pushing for creation to be taught in school.

Rather than force skeptical teachers to debate creation, Ham wants kids to come to his museum, where impassioned experts can make their case that apparently ancient fossils and the Grand Canyon were created just a few thousand years ago in a great flood.

"It's not hitting them over the head with a Bible, it's just teaching that we can defend what it says," he said.

Ham, who also runs a Christian broadcasting and publishing venture, said the museum's Hollywood-quality exhibits set the project apart from the many quirky Creation museums sprinkled across America.

The museum's team of Christian designers include theme park art director Patrick Marsh, who designed the "Jaws" and "King Kong" attractions at Universal Studios in Florida, as well as dozens of young artists whose conviction drives their work.

"I think it shows (nonbelievers) the other side of things," said Carolyn Manto, 27, pausing in her work painting Ice Age figures for a display about caves in France.

"I don't think it's going to be forcing any viewpoint on them, but challenging them to think critically about their evolutionary views," said Manto, who studied classical sculpture before joining the museum.

Still, Looy is upfront about the museum's mission: to share the Gospel of Jesus Christ with nonbelievers.

"I think a lot of people are going to come out of curiosity ... and we're going to present the Gospel. This is going to be an evangelistic center," Looy said. A chaplain has been hired for museum-goers in need of spiritual guidance.

The museum's rural location near the border of Kentucky, Ohio and Indiana places it well within America's mostly conservative and Christian heartland. But the setting has another strategic purpose: two-thirds of Americans are within a day's drive of the site, and Cincinnati's international airport is minutes away.

The project has not been without opposition. Zoning battles with environmentalists and groups opposed to the museum's message have delayed construction and the museum's opening day has been delayed repeatedly.

The museum has hired extra security and explosives-sniffing dogs to counter anonymous threats of damage to the building. "We've had some opposition," Looy said.


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Just like they did 6,000 years ago.
1 posted on 01/14/2007 5:31:09 PM PST by Tim Long
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To: Tim Long

The Earth is much older than 6000 years.


2 posted on 01/14/2007 5:32:57 PM PST by SALChamps03
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To: SALChamps03
The Earth is much older than 6000 years.

Sure it is.

3 posted on 01/14/2007 5:34:20 PM PST by Tim Long (Pardon Ramos and Compean. January 17 is approaching fast.)
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To: SALChamps03
The Earth is much older than 6000 years.

Or is it?

4 posted on 01/14/2007 5:36:40 PM PST by Tanniker Smith (I didn't know she was a liberal when I married her.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Ping, new opening date


5 posted on 01/14/2007 5:39:06 PM PST by Tim Long (Pardon Ramos and Compean. January 17 is approaching fast.)
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To: Tim Long

Alley Oop and Dinny

6 posted on 01/14/2007 5:40:15 PM PST by UnklGene
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To: Tim Long
Everybody has their fantasies. It's what makes the world go round.
7 posted on 01/14/2007 5:41:02 PM PST by sinclair (The world economy is $140 trillion. The US government is $50 trillion in debt. WAKE UP!)
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To: sinclair
Everybody has their fantasies. It's what makes the world go round.

Yeah. What would the Darwinists do if they had to accountable for their actions?

8 posted on 01/14/2007 5:43:19 PM PST by Tim Long (Pardon Ramos and Compean. January 17 is approaching fast.)
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To: staytrue

self ping/humor break


9 posted on 01/14/2007 5:50:43 PM PST by staytrue
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To: Cryocon

Vacation ping


10 posted on 01/14/2007 5:52:33 PM PST by Poison Pill
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To: Tim Long
The Earth is much older than 6000 years.

Sure it is.

I have obtained a lot of radiocarbon dates older than 6000 years. Are you telling me they are all wrong?

Can you support that?

11 posted on 01/14/2007 5:52:39 PM PST by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Tim Long
Rather than force skeptical teachers to debate creation, Ham wants kids to come to his museum, where impassioned experts can make their case that apparently ancient fossils and the Grand Canyon were created just a few thousand years ago in a great flood.

"It's not hitting them over the head with a Bible, it's just teaching that we can defend what it says," he said.

It's really not a bad approach. Is it?

12 posted on 01/14/2007 5:54:28 PM PST by delacoert
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To: Tim Long

LOL He is going ot be crucified mercilessly by the 10 billion year old advocates. I studied under Ken Ham at a 1 year bible college, and he has taken a LOT of flack for his science- but that's the way of hte left- ostracize and ridicule anyone that dissagrees with you- calling them psuedo-scientists in a nasty attempt to try to discount their facts. Hopefully htough, his museum will plant a few seeds that will sprout eternal life.

The following link does not relate to this thread http://sacredscoop.com


13 posted on 01/14/2007 5:55:44 PM PST by CottShop
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To: Tim Long

I'm planning my Flat Earth Museum right now.


14 posted on 01/14/2007 5:56:13 PM PST by popdonnelly
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To: Tim Long

I am a Darwin skeptic, but this is pretty embarrassing.


15 posted on 01/14/2007 5:56:13 PM PST by Zeon Cowboy ("Show me just what Muhammad brought... and there you will find things only evil and inhuman.")
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To: UnklGene

Gee willikers.. first class postage was only 32 cents 6000 years ago?


16 posted on 01/14/2007 5:56:45 PM PST by nkycincinnatikid
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To: Tim Long
museum's rural location near the border of Kentucky, Ohio and Indiana

I have been through the museum. It is one exit west (Hwy 8) of the exit to the Cincinnati airport...not really rural. And the museum sign can be seen from Interstate 275.

17 posted on 01/14/2007 5:59:10 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: Coyoteman

and we all know how 'accurate' carbon dating is- Heck there are any number of different dating methods that are more accurate and disprove carbon dating. Not to mention we have modern examples of instant pertification that when tested show falsly long dates. but oh well-


18 posted on 01/14/2007 5:59:15 PM PST by CottShop
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bump


19 posted on 01/14/2007 5:59:30 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Tim Long
[ the state-of-the art lobby, where grunting dinosaurs and animatronic humans coexist in a Biblical paradise Sodom and Gomorrah. ]

Sounds like a visit to Washington D.C. or San Fransicko..

20 posted on 01/14/2007 6:04:58 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: Tim Long

Starring "Fred Flintstone" ???


21 posted on 01/14/2007 6:05:07 PM PST by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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To: Tim Long

Scientific evidence says it is.


22 posted on 01/14/2007 6:08:54 PM PST by SALChamps03
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To: Tim Long

In the seventeenth century, Archbishop James Ussher of the Church of Ireland calculated that the earth was created on October 23, 4004 BC at 9:00 AM--and I assume it was Pacific Daylight Time.


23 posted on 01/14/2007 6:11:40 PM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: SALChamps03
Scientific evidence says it is.

'fraid not. BS inventions used to back up the left's religion say it is.

24 posted on 01/14/2007 6:11:46 PM PST by Tim Long (Pardon Ramos and Compean. January 17 is approaching fast.)
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To: CottShop
and we all know how 'accurate' carbon dating is- Heck there are any number of different dating methods that are more accurate and disprove carbon dating. Not to mention we have modern examples of instant pertification that when tested show falsly long dates. but oh well-

I asked you to support your contention and you have not. You have only repeated oft-refuted talking points from creationist websites.

I challenge you to show me any accepted scientific dating method that disproves radiocarbon dating to the extent that the earth is on the close order of 6000 years rather than >50,000 years (the upper limit of the radiocarbon method).

In the meantime, here are some excellent links that will provide you with real information about radiocarbon dating, not the distortions, fabrications, and wishful thinking found on creationist websites:

ReligiousTolerance.org Carbon-14 Dating (C-14): Beliefs of New-Earth Creationists

The American Scientific Affiliation: Science in Christian Perspective Radiometric Dating: A Christian Perspective by Dr. Roger C. Wiens.

This site, BiblicalChronologist.org has a series of good articles on radiocarbon dating.

Tree Ring and C14 Dating

Radiocarbon WEB-info Radiocarbon Laboratory, University of Waikato, New Zealand.


25 posted on 01/14/2007 6:12:30 PM PST by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: CottShop
calling them psuedo-scientists in a nasty attempt to try to discount their facts.

That reminds of how probably every Wikipedia page that mentions Creationism adds "(Creationism is considered pseudoscience by the scientific community)," which is a bandwagon fallacy.

Not to mention we have modern examples of instant pertification that when tested show falsly long dates. but oh well-

Mt. St. Helens comes to mind.

26 posted on 01/14/2007 6:14:31 PM PST by Tim Long (Pardon Ramos and Compean. January 17 is approaching fast.)
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To: CottShop

-and we all know how 'accurate' carbon dating is- Heck there are any number of different dating methods that are more accurate and disprove carbon dating.--

Put your facts where your mouth is.


27 posted on 01/14/2007 6:15:10 PM PST by UpAllNight
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To: Tim Long


28 posted on 01/14/2007 6:17:08 PM PST by frankenMonkey (Are there any men left in Washington, or are they all cowards?)
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To: delacoert
"It's not hitting them over the head with a Bible, it's just teaching that we can defend what it says," he said.

It's really not a bad approach. Is it?

I'm a Christian believer in evolution, but I don't have a problem with this guy's approach, as the article presents him.

29 posted on 01/14/2007 6:18:29 PM PST by MichiganMan (Europe: Where the governments fear Muslims and Jews fear the governments.)
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To: popdonnelly
I'm planning my Flat Earth Museum right now.

That wasn't funny the first thousand times people who don't understand science said it.

30 posted on 01/14/2007 6:19:35 PM PST by Tim Long (Pardon Ramos and Compean. January 17 is approaching fast.)
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To: Tim Long

Why don't you just put your hands over your ears and yell, "I can't hear you."


31 posted on 01/14/2007 6:22:10 PM PST by popdonnelly
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To: Tim Long
What are you creationist defenders going to do when you find out that you're backing false pride (as in: "I believe that if you don't interpret the bible literally regardless of physical evidence, you are by definition an unbeliever") as opposed to God's truth -- the real one that we seek out because of the brains and curiosity with which He has blessed us? The one that urges us to pursue truth, which the bible tells us will set us free?

What are you going to do when you find out that Creationists - not atheist scientists who think natural history "proves" that God doesn't exist, but Creationists -- are tools of the same devil the bible warns is an expert at disguising himself as goodness? And in retrospect, a disguise you should have spotted because he dealt in falseness and denial in order to appeal to your pride?

When are you going to notice that neither evolution nor the age of the earth negates or challenges the Ten Commandments or the Seven Deadly Sins? Indeed, evolution confirms them because societies that basically attempt to abide by just those 17 items, have thrived and multiplied, while others that don't have dwindled and even become extinct?

God's plan has always worked and always will work no matter how He put us here or where He's taking us regardless of paleontological truths.

32 posted on 01/14/2007 6:25:55 PM PST by Finny (God continue to Bless President G.W. Bush with wisdom, popularity, safety and success.)
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To: Tim Long

Thank you for posting this. My kids can't wait to go!


33 posted on 01/14/2007 6:25:58 PM PST by Esther Ruth (In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.)
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To: Tim Long

Didn't one of the guys who ran one of these places go to prison for tax evasion?


34 posted on 01/14/2007 6:31:22 PM PST by WestVirginiaRebel (I'm pretty sure the phrase life is too short doesn't exist in Islam-Dennis Miller)
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To: Tim Long
"Yeah. What would the Darwinists do if they had to accountable for their actions?"

Learn to use verbs properly?

35 posted on 01/14/2007 6:32:00 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: Tim Long
It's true I saw it on TV.


36 posted on 01/14/2007 6:39:14 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Tim Long
>> The Earth is much older than 6000 years. Sure it is. <<

Bah! Ignore those silly godless heathen Darwinists and their nonsense ideas. Every good Christian knows the world was created precisely on October 23, 4004 B.C., at 10:00 a.m. Any "evidence" to the contrary is the work of satanic Marxists trying to undermine the bible. Next they'll be telling us about their "theory" of an invisible force called "gravity" that binds us to the earth, of course only the galieoists have evidence of, naturally. And perhaps one of the most deranged ideas, that there also tiny invisible creatures known as "germs" that cause disease, when we have known for ages that disease is called by demonic forces, misalignment of the stars, and evil trolls that live underground.

If you really want to annoy the Darwinists, do what I do and take part in weekly blood lettings. The fools don't know what benefits they're missing out on!

37 posted on 01/14/2007 6:39:21 PM PST by BillyBoy (Don't blame Illinois for Pelosi -- we elected ROSKAM)
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To: Finny
A better question is, what will you do when you find you have accused a true Christian of pride for believing God's Truth which every shred of scientific evidence points to instead of a nonsense religion? And that you have believed in a messiah that you have fashioned to your liking, one that evolved from primordial ooze and one that has anything to do with the "Seven Deadly Sins," a concept never appearing in the Christian Bible.

Owned.

38 posted on 01/14/2007 6:40:53 PM PST by Tim Long (Pardon Ramos and Compean. January 17 is approaching fast.)
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To: GrandEagle; WKB; Jo Nuvark; JamesP81; chesley; rwrcpa1; guitar4jesus; Miss Maam; rimtop56; ...

Six Days Ping List

Calling in reinforcements. And I thought the Darwos had left.

39 posted on 01/14/2007 6:44:49 PM PST by Tim Long (Pardon Ramos and Compean. January 17 is approaching fast.)
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To: Tim Long

The only place dinos and people were together at the same time is in works of fiction.

Draw your own conclusions from that.


40 posted on 01/14/2007 6:46:10 PM PST by Names Ash Housewares
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To: Tim Long
Congratulations America, we are now state of the art in science, (provided its the year 1400)

Dumb all over.


41 posted on 01/14/2007 6:49:48 PM PST by Central Scrutiniser (Never Let a Theocon Near a Textbook)
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To: SALChamps03
"No list of ‘Lifes Top Ten Ironies’ would be complete without the prominent placement of fundamentalist Christians who swear up and down that our infinitely knowing “God works in mysterious and beautiful ways”, but can see neither the beauty nor the mystery of their God setting the Big Bang in motion some 13.7 billion years ago firm in the knowledge that life would evolve on a planet to be eventually called ‘Earth’, and that evolution would result in Man."
42 posted on 01/14/2007 6:50:59 PM PST by Psycho_Bunny
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To: Names Ash Housewares
The only place dinos and people were together at the same time is in works of fiction. Draw your own conclusions from that.

Nah. I don't tend to draw conclusions from unfounded statements.

43 posted on 01/14/2007 6:52:13 PM PST by Tim Long (Pardon Ramos and Compean. January 17 is approaching fast.)
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To: Coyoteman

Again, I am amazed at the absolute deliberate display of ignorance.

I'm sure Mr. Ham is much like the last businessman to make money off of ignorant creationists, "Dr." Kent Hovind, who currently resides in a 6x8 cell for fraud.


44 posted on 01/14/2007 6:54:02 PM PST by Central Scrutiniser (Never Let a Theocon Near a Textbook)
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To: Psycho_Bunny
but can see neither the beauty nor the mystery of their God setting the Big Bang in motion some 13.7 billion years ago firm in the knowledge that life would evolve on a planet to be eventually called ‘Earth’, and that evolution would result in Man."

Deities don't guide or set in motion naturalistic processes. You can't have it both ways. Pick a worldview.

45 posted on 01/14/2007 6:54:07 PM PST by Tim Long (Pardon Ramos and Compean. January 17 is approaching fast.)
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To: Central Scrutiniser

46 posted on 01/14/2007 6:54:56 PM PST by Central Scrutiniser (Never Let a Theocon Near a Textbook)
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To: BillyBoy

The bad part of your post is that one has to read it twice very slowly to make sure of it's true meaning.


47 posted on 01/14/2007 6:55:02 PM PST by UpAllNight
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To: Names Ash Housewares

So how come Noah didn't save all the millions of dinosaur species?


48 posted on 01/14/2007 6:55:02 PM PST by Eternal_Bear
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To: popdonnelly
Teach the contraversy! Who's to say which the theories below is the correct one?


49 posted on 01/14/2007 6:55:02 PM PST by BillyBoy (Don't blame Illinois for Pelosi -- we elected ROSKAM)
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To: BillyBoy
Teach the contraversy! Who's to say which the theories below is the correct one?

And who's to say controversy is spelled with an "o." Two different sides of the keyboard.

50 posted on 01/14/2007 6:56:37 PM PST by Tim Long (Pardon Ramos and Compean. January 17 is approaching fast.)
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