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Mom,' 'dad,' banned; now 600,000 students could go
WorldNetdaily.com ^ | February 07, 2008 | Bob Unruh

Posted on 02/08/2008 3:57:52 AM PST by Man50D

Only months after a new state law effectively banned "mom" and "dad" from California schools, a total of 600,000 students could follow because of what has been described as the "repudiation" of 2,000 years of Christian morality, according to leaders of a new campaign assembling education alternatives.

The campaign is called California Exodus, and is being headed by Ron Gleason, pastor of Grace Presbyterian Church in Yorba Linda, who said while the country excels in social, economic, scientific and political accomplishments, it "gets low grades on the education of its children."

The issue is the state legislature's adoption of Senate Bill 777, which requires only positive portrayals of homosexual, bisexual, transgender and other alternative lifestyle choices.

"First, the law allowed public schools to voluntarily promote homosexuality, bisexuality, and transsexuality. Then, the law required public schools to accept homosexual, bisexual, and transsexual teachers as role models for impressionable children. Now, the law has been changed to effectively require the positive portrayal of homosexuality, bisexuality, and transsexuality to six million children in California government-controlled schools," said Randy Thomasson, chief of the Campaign for Children and Families and one of those who originally called for an abandonment of public schools.

"To rescue their children, loving parents need to find an alternative to government schools, and every church needs to make it a priority to help parents be in charge of their children's education again," he said.

He has condemned public school districts as "no longer a safe emotional environment for children" under the new law, signed by Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, that will introduce children as young as kindergarten to the homosexuality and other alternative lifestyle choices.

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Advancing homosexuality in the schools to destroy the foundation of the country, the family, is one of many methods used by Socialists to replace our Democratic Republic with Socialism.
1 posted on 02/08/2008 3:57:54 AM PST by Man50D
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2 posted on 02/08/2008 3:59:19 AM PST by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: Man50D

If Christianity has no place in government schools, Christians have no business being there. It’s time for the churches that profess to love children now put up or shut up and provide an opportunity to educate children in a place where Jesus would be welcome. Perhaps they could devote their money to this essential service to Him instead of building luxurious monuments to their pastors, which is what many of the mega-churches are presently doing.


3 posted on 02/08/2008 4:04:37 AM PST by kittymyrib
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To: Man50D

When it comes to school, there’s no place like home.

And the attack on homeschoolers is going to heat up like never before, when the teachers unions see their livelihood going the way of the dodo bird.


4 posted on 02/08/2008 4:05:41 AM PST by Westbrook
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To: Man50D
Advancing homosexuality in the schools to destroy the foundation of the country, the family, is one of many methods used by Socialists Marxists to replace our Democratic Republic with< Socialism Marxism.

It is time we called these people what they are: Marxists and Useful Idiots! I'll bet my house and my Roth IRA that the people who wrote this bill thoroughly knew and understood the dialectics underlying this bill, and they have armies of not too bright teachers to be their Useful Idiots.

Marxism is our freedom's **most** serious threat. Schools are one their most powerful weapon.

5 posted on 02/08/2008 4:11:42 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: kittymyrib

Ours is still occupied by spreading the Gospel to as many people in our mission field as we can. At my current job, I have helped build one of these monuments that you mentioned, though.


6 posted on 02/08/2008 4:13:41 AM PST by stefanbatory
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To: Man50D
under the new law, signed by Arnold ...

say it ain't so, Arnold!

7 posted on 02/08/2008 4:18:39 AM PST by moonman
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To: Man50D

Does anyone wonder why the Rush Limbaughs and the Sean Hannitys never talk about this? Promoting Romney as the “True Conservative” this literal crap flourished under his governorship, what a crock.


8 posted on 02/08/2008 4:21:54 AM PST by stevio ((NRA))
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To: kittymyrib
If Christianity has no place in government schools, Christians have no business being there.

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Did you see Christian or non-Christian teachers marching on Sacramento to oppose this bill? Gee! Neither did I!

I wonder where all those “good” teachers are, that everyone is always praising?

Christian teachers have two choices:

1) Be bold, protest, refuse to cooperate, in the most vocal and politically active manner possible defend the family and Western Civilization. ( In other words: Seriously risk getting fired!)

2) QUIT!

If Christian teachers do anything less than the above they are teaching the students that:

1) Christians will aid and support evil in exchange for a paycheck and pension.

2)Christians are stupid, timid, or lukewarm in their faith.

3) Christians will assist with what they should know are lies.

4) If Christians think they can sneak in a little “salt and light”, they they WILL teach the kids that Christians are sly and sneaky!

Wow! I expect after an example like that, that true missionaries will have a tough time with these kids later in life. And, I won’t be surprised that if even more kids leave the faith within 2 years of graduating from high school. ( More than 85% now.)

9 posted on 02/08/2008 4:23:45 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: Man50D
"Now children will be told that their sexual orientation and gender are relative, too. No longer will children raised in these schools understand that God made us male and female with different, but complementary roles. Instead, children will be taught that sexual orientation and gender are merely a matter of personal choice," he said.

From further down the article. This is one of the more eloquent ways I've seen the issue articulated.
10 posted on 02/08/2008 4:25:18 AM PST by The Pack Knight (Duty, Honor, Country.)
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To: Man50D

Cali will be the capital of gay spanish speaking commie kids.


11 posted on 02/08/2008 4:25:58 AM PST by omega4179 (suicide voter)
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To: stevio
Does anyone wonder why the Rush Limbaughs and the Sean Hannitys never talk about this?

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BINGO!!!!! BINGO!!!!!

These guys are completely ASLEEP! WHAT IDIOTS!!!!

The Marxists ( and their bed companions, the homosexuals) are eating the souls of the next generation and these guys are ASLEEP!!!!

I am disgusted with them both!

12 posted on 02/08/2008 4:26:08 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: Man50D
I’m sorry. Maybe it’s too early, not enough coffee or something.

But can someone tell me what Arnold has done for conservatives? I still can’t see anything, except a slight shift from the hardline socialism of Gray Davis to something a little closer to the center, which he promptly pushed back to the left with his big-government spending (stem-cell research, e.g.).

13 posted on 02/08/2008 4:28:00 AM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (If Hillary is elected, her legacy will be telling the American people: Better put some ice on that.)
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To: moonman

under the new law, signed by Arnold ...
say it ain’t so, Arnold


The same Ahhhhnald who supported McCain....

I guess the GOP figured the law was OK...because they sure keep screwing a lot of conservatives....


14 posted on 02/08/2008 4:32:29 AM PST by UCFRoadWarrior (A Vote For McCain Is A Vote For Hillary/Obama)
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To: Man50D

“You can’t make socialists out of individualists. Children who know how to think for themselves spoil the harmony of the collective society, which is coming, where everyone is interdependent.” - John Dewey, the father of modern American education and co-author of the “Humanist Manifesto.”


15 posted on 02/08/2008 4:33:15 AM PST by sergeantdave (Governments hate armed citizens more than armed criminals)
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To: Man50D
If you have a short memory, here is a reminder why this is important.

Folsom Street Fair 2007

WARNING: Graphic & Extreemly Distubing acts in the public streets of San Fransico's Folsom Street Fair last year.

16 posted on 02/08/2008 4:34:34 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: wintertime
Oh they're not asleep, they know all about it. How can they not? I've gotten through to the call screener to try to talk about the Philly7, I was berated by his call screener and told "Rush didn't think his listeners would be interested". I listen to both of them at work, they never mention this stuff.
17 posted on 02/08/2008 4:48:52 AM PST by stevio ((NRA))
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

Slightly off topic here, but our conservative governor has signed off on releasing close to 100 lifer inmates so far. Our former gov, Doofus Davis, released 6.


18 posted on 02/08/2008 4:49:03 AM PST by Lizavetta
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To: stevio
Oh they’re not asleep, they know all about it. How can they not? I’ve gotten through to the call screener to try to talk about the Philly7, I was berated by his call screener and told “Rush didn’t think his listeners would be interested”. I listen to both of them at work, they never mention this stuff.
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Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity are the dumbest idiots around!

19 posted on 02/08/2008 4:54:40 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: Man50D

We’re taking our kids out next year. They’ve pushed us too far this year (and we are in Texas...can’t imagine what other parents go through) with teaching that is away from the 3 r’s. Even though we are evangelical Christians...its more about teaching them well and getting them away from the Katrina hoodlums that have infiltrated our neighborhoods than it is about making sure they learn their bible. They know all about Dr. King, but nothing about George Washington or Abe Lincoln.


20 posted on 02/08/2008 4:55:40 AM PST by NELSON111
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To: TexasCajun

Wow!

I only got through the first four or five. That was enough!


21 posted on 02/08/2008 4:56:31 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: TexasCajun

Folsom Street Fair 2007
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Coming to a government school near you!


22 posted on 02/08/2008 4:57:09 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: Lizavetta
No, that is appropriately on-topic, given that the general conversation among conservatives for the past few weeks has been the importance of the conservative base remaining true to their beliefs and not diluting their core principles for the sake of a party-win.

It was precisely because we have been so compromising over the past 16 years that we are in the mess that we are in (the Republican party openly marginalizing its base and not only drifting toward but swimming to the left).

23 posted on 02/08/2008 4:59:47 AM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (If Hillary is elected, her legacy will be telling the American people: Better put some ice on that.)
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To: NELSON111
We’re taking our kids out next year.

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In the kindest possible manner I ask the following:

Why not today?
Is there an urgent reason you must keep them in school until June?

Think of it this way:

How many months have your children lived? What percentage of their lives is 5 months? The younger the children the greater is that percentage, and the greater the influence of the government madrassas your children.

For example: For a 5 year old, 5 months is close to 1/10th or 10% of his life.

Very respectfully,
Wintertime

24 posted on 02/08/2008 5:03:33 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: Man50D

Arnold is just another Kennedy type creep.

Homosexuaity is a main cause of the spread of the biggest
Epidemic the world continues to suffer from.

Sick minds Sick People.


25 posted on 02/08/2008 5:05:30 AM PST by chatham
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To: Man50D
... a total of 600,000 students could follow ...

I doubt it.

26 posted on 02/08/2008 5:08:14 AM PST by Tax-chick ("Political zombies need brains, but they hunger only for taxes." ~ NicknamedBob)
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To: Man50D

I suggest that we ban the use of the word “tax,” especially by the legislature. I’m offended by it.


27 posted on 02/08/2008 5:09:54 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: Man50D

Don’t worry, John McCain will turn this around with Ahnold’s help...oh, wait...never mind...LOL!


28 posted on 02/08/2008 5:10:47 AM PST by TADSLOS (Estoy Juan McCain y apruebo este mensaje!)
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To: metmom; Amelia; Gabz; Softballmom

Definitely: “Another Reason to Homeschool!”

By the way, the “Public Education” Ping seems to be in the death rattle stage.


29 posted on 02/08/2008 5:11:38 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: Man50D
WTF? When I went to grade school 30 years ago, they only taught us the three R's.

Can anyone tell me EXACTLY how do you explain homosexuality to the little kids?

30 posted on 02/08/2008 5:12:02 AM PST by John123 ("What good fortune for the governments that the people do not think" -- Adolf Hitler)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe
But can someone tell me what Arnold has done for conservatives?

Uh..... He is endorsing the true conservative for POTUS, John McCain.

31 posted on 02/08/2008 5:13:28 AM PST by stevio ((NRA))
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To: Tax-chick
I doubt it.
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I do too.

599,999 have parents who are utterly addicted to the free babysitting.

599,999 have naive parents who think they can deprogram their children in their spare time.

599.999 of these kids have ministers who scared to death of offending the armies of government teachers, government school employees, and others sucking the government school teat, who are filling the pews of their mega and micro churches.

And,,,599,999 of these kids have armies of Christian teachers who will **cheerfully and fully** cooperate with this sinful agenda in exchange for a paycheck and a pension.

599,999 of these kids have Christian teachers who will teach the kids that Christians are sneaking and sly by trying to sneakily spread a little “salt and light” around while their bosses aren’t looking! ( What an example of “Christian” living they are!)

32 posted on 02/08/2008 5:19:47 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: Man50D
If our school system is so bad why do Oriental and Indian students do so well when they go through it? A major part of the problem isn’t really the school systems as much as it is the role that parents play in their child’s education. If you only have a mother that didn’t finish school and lives on public assistance and a father you never met, it’s hard to produce a kid that’s going to excel.
33 posted on 02/08/2008 5:32:40 AM PST by mbynack (Retired USAF SMSgt)
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To: wintertime

I’m sure there are some who will find this latest outrage so outrageous that they will choose other education for their children. However, it’s not as if this came out of the blue. Whether one’s main issue is academic quality, social environment, religious freedom, or moral decency, it’s been under attack by the state for years.

The boiling-frog analogy comes to mind: most will just sit there and cook.


34 posted on 02/08/2008 5:33:28 AM PST by Tax-chick ("Political zombies need brains, but they hunger only for taxes." ~ NicknamedBob)
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To: stevio

From time to time, they DO talk about it, but then get flooded with tons and tons of Email about thier “Hate” and “Bigotry”.

Or how they are pushing the agenda of the “American Taliban”.

The Demonization and marginalization of Christians is nearly complete. When a Major Organization like the Southern Poverty LAw Center can get by with labeling Christians as a “HATE-GROUP”, without penalty, or even much of a rucus from the media, we’re in trouble...


35 posted on 02/08/2008 5:37:18 AM PST by tcrlaf (VOTE DEMOCRAT-You'll look great in a Burka!)
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To: wintertime

All well and good to just dump it all on the teachers. Whether you like it or not the public schools got to where they are because of school boards elected by parents and parents who do absolutely nothing to further their kids education. These stupid ass rules get passed because people don’t have any idea what is going on in their schools. Californians are allowing this to happen, maybe even encouraging it. They are getting what they voted for,socialism.


36 posted on 02/08/2008 5:38:16 AM PST by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: tcrlaf

I listen to both of them, nearly 6 hours a day at work. I never hear anything more than a passing comment about it. But I suspect you’re correct, they are getting pressure from someone.


37 posted on 02/08/2008 5:40:22 AM PST by stevio ((NRA))
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To: mbynack; Man50D
If our school system is so bad why do Oriental and Indian students do so well when they go through it? A major part of the problem isn’t really the school systems as much as it is the role that parents play in their child’s education. If you only have a mother that didn’t finish school and lives on public assistance and a father you never met, it’s hard to produce a kid that’s going to excel.

This thread is NOT about academic achievement. I suggest that you re-read the article and the posts.

All the children ( of every racial and cultural background) will have their opinions on sexuality, (and opinion of Christians and other religious people who oppose the homosexual lifestyle)shaped by the government madrassas ( mis-named "schools")

Are you a government teacher, an education student, your parents government teachers, or does money come into your household by way of the education-industrial complex? ( Just curious)

38 posted on 02/08/2008 5:42:04 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: mbynack; Man50D
If our school system is so bad why do Oriental and Indian students do so well when they go through it? A major part of the problem isn’t really the school systems as much as it is the role that parents play in their child’s education. If you only have a mother that didn’t finish school and lives on public assistance and a father you never met, it’s hard to produce a kid that’s going to excel.

This thread is NOT about academic achievement. I suggest that you re-read the article and the posts.

All the children ( of every racial and cultural background) will have their opinions on sexuality, (and opinion of Christians and other religious people who oppose the homosexual lifestyle)shaped by the government madrassas ( mis-named "schools")

Are you a government teacher, an education student, your parents government teachers, or does money come into your household by way of the education-industrial complex? ( Just curious)

39 posted on 02/08/2008 5:42:55 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: NELSON111
They know all about Dr. King, but nothing about George Washington or Abe Lincoln.

My daughter is one of the lucky ones in a Texas school (Garland ISD) who has an American history teacher that teaches all about George and Abe and Andrew and Patrick and Ben and the Johns, Samuels, Thomases, etc. It's her favorite class.
She's been learning alot about government in this election year and is making the best grades in class. She tells me many times the teacher asks questions particularly about what's going on in the world and current events related to the election and she's the only one who knows the answer.

She's probably the only kid who has Free Republic on her IE home page, too. [grin]

40 posted on 02/08/2008 5:48:34 AM PST by babyfreep
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To: Man50D
Advancing homosexuality in the schools to destroy the foundation of the country, the family, is one of many methods used by Socialists to replace our Democratic Republic with Socialism.

Perfectly said, btw.

41 posted on 02/08/2008 5:50:09 AM PST by babyfreep
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To: tcrlaf; stevio
From time to time, they DO talk about it, but then get flooded with tons and tons of Email about thier “Hate” and “Bigotry”.
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Also,,,Follow the money!

Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity are NOT about to offend and insult their audience and sponsors.

There are more than 45 MILLION kids in government schools with parents totally addicted to the government babysitting. And,,,shamefully,,,Many of those parents are so-called conservatives listening to Rush and Sean’s shows!

Besides the parents, there are 3 million government teachers in this country. . Then consider the several million school employees who are not teachers. Then their are employees of businesses that directly have business with the government schools. Finally, there are people like my dentist who depend on teacher business ( excellent dental insurance, you see.) Everyone of these people are connected to family, neighbors, and friends.

Are Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and Bill OReilly about to bite that hand that feeds them? I don’t think so!

I am disgusted!

42 posted on 02/08/2008 5:51:50 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: wintertime

Rush has no children, so he doesn’t really care about the ‘rug rats.’ That’s up to their parents to deal with. Hannity probably sends his kids to Catholic or private schools, so again - not a problem in his eyes. Wake up - Look in the Mirror yourselves. It’s your kids and you should be doing the marching, protesting, and protecting your CHILDREN from the social engineers. You better be prepared to go to jail, too, because that’s what will happen if you get too angry at these elected officials. We need a law like Canada and most of Europe has - tax dollars follow the child to whatever school the parents choose - parochial , govt., private. Time to get the control back, Parents!


43 posted on 02/08/2008 5:53:38 AM PST by Sioux-san
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To: John123

You forgot the 4th R they’ve been teaching since the 60s - relativism.


44 posted on 02/08/2008 5:54:36 AM PST by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: babyfreep; NELSON111
My daughter is one of the lucky ones in a Texas school
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I was wondering how long it would take for someone to post that **thier** child’s school was different. Gee! And not at all effected by what goes on in California.

Before long, every textbook in the nation will be scubbed clean of the words “mother” and “father”, and will thoroughly reflect the homosexual ( Marxist) agenda.

45 posted on 02/08/2008 5:56:03 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: babyfreep

oops! “Their”


46 posted on 02/08/2008 5:56:40 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: stevio
Does anyone wonder why the Rush Limbaughs and the Sean Hannitys never talk about this?

All they really care about is not having their millions taxed ...

47 posted on 02/08/2008 5:56:47 AM PST by 11th_VA
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To: mbynack

Oriental and Indian students in US schools do not do as well as those who remain in their respective countries. They only look good compared to the millions of slacker native-born Americans.


48 posted on 02/08/2008 5:57:24 AM PST by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: Man50D

And the reaction to this shows you exactly why leftists try to get every onerous social “law” implemented at the federal level instead of a state level.

People are escaping their clutches! Can’t have that!


49 posted on 02/08/2008 6:01:14 AM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: 11th_VA

Yea, I know. It’s turning into a one note samba.


50 posted on 02/08/2008 6:07:42 AM PST by stevio ((NRA))
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