Sorry. No witch burning allowed...
Posted on 05/29/2008 2:12:04 PM PDT by abb
Headline only now
(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...
I guess the Supreme Court of Texas is in favor of polygamy and child rape....(Do I really need a sarcasm tag here?)
L
was waiting for this...thank you
Breaking News >> Texas Supreme Court Orders Polygamist Sect Children Back to Parents
Didn’t Judge Roy Bean hail from that part of Texas?......
crap. God please help those children! Please.
The good news is, the eyes of the country are now on these folks, hopefully they will mind their p’s and q’s.
susie
Awesome!
Viva Liberty!
If you don’t understand my response, give me your address so I can call the police and leave a tip you’re abusing your children... followed shortly by the Elian Gonzales team... followed by your bewilderment and grief together with the trama of the innocents; scared. alone. and nothing you can do without a club blow to the skull.
Not my kind of America.
http://www.supreme.courts.state.tx.us/historical/2008/may/080391.htm
http://www.supreme.courts.state.tx.us/historical/2008/may/080391d.htm
Wow. Bookmark for updates
So, now what? Do they immediately return those particular children? (Am I right in recalling there was a 10 day period in which to do it?) Also, do they just accept the word of the parent(s) as to which child goes where? Do they wait for DNA?
susie
you know what I know. I’ve not read the order yet.
Amen Brother...
L
sick. ...but there has to be a process.
>> crap. God please help those children! Please.
Did you offer such a heartfelt prayer on their behalf while they were at the mercy of the leftist nanny-state? Just curious.
I was musing. Someone will know, eventually. :)
susie
Guessing due process and checks and balances in the system mean nothing to you.
Maybe the Supreme Court thought that the police should have more than an anonymous phone call (that could not be verified) before they dismantled an entire community, seized personal property and took children away from their parents.
I tend to agree with this decision. What CPA did was unlawful. I’m all for protecting the children, but it has to be done in a lawful manner. In this case, it was not.
As much as I hate the fact that the children will go back, even polygamists and pedophiles have the right to due process.
L
The liberty to force young girls into sexual relationships (aka marriages) that can be 'dissolved' and the girl and any children she may have be given to another man who has more favor with the 'prophet'.
Ugh.
If you don’t understand my response, give me your address so I can call the police and leave a tip you’re abusing your children
Pretty lame. There is ample evidence that young girls were 'married off' to older men in this case. At least 15 girls under 18 are or have been pregnant.
But hey, we know you FLDS apologists are all over FR. That's okay. You'll face God some day.
Yes, that picture was bordering on pornographic, and you’d think that the people here who say they want to “protect the children” would protect that girl, but instead they posted the picture here.
I certainly did. Did you? Do you pray for them now when they will be back in the clutches of a vile, abusive and destructive cult?
ditto
The Texas Supreme Court rightly ruled that picture completely irrelevant to these proceedings.
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Could you please point out where that is in the ruling?
You'd be guessing wrong.
Next will come the Civil suits against these CPS goons for Conspiracy Against Rights Under False Color of Law.
L
http://origin.sltrib.com/ci_9417661
FLDS update: Texas Supreme Court rules against state in taking of children
By Brooke Adams
The Salt Lake Tribune
Salt Lake Tribune
Article Last Updated:05/29/2008 03:08:10 PM MDT
Posted: 3:05 PM- SAN ANGELO, Texas - The Texas Supreme Court today turned down the state’s request to overturn an lower court’s ruling that that hundreds of FLDS children have been taken into state custody improperly.
The high court’s ruling comes a week after the Third Court of Appeals ruled that some, if not all, of the more than 450 children in state custody should be returned home to the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints’ ranch in West Texas.
The children were taken into state custody during an early April raid on the YFZ Ranch, based on the state’s contention that all were at risk of sexual and physical abuse due to the sect’s practice of polygamy.
The children are in foster care or shelters scattered about the state. Those 12 months and younger can have their nursing mothers with them, and some have been reunited with their families but remain in the state’s care.
The raid was authorized by 51st District Judge Barbara Walther in San Angelo, who also ruled after two days of hearings that the children should remain in custody. The appeals court found last week that Walther lacked sufficient evidence to support the state’s claims that all of the FLDS children were at risk.
>> There is ample evidence that young girls were ‘married off’ to older men in this case.
Please present the evidence you’re claiming. Or at least describe it. Please support your assertion with links.
Courts never give a d*** about kids.
Besides, this will make it easier for Texas courts when Texas’ substantial Muslim population starts openly practicing polygamy and openly giving away 12 year old girls to daddy’s 50 year old friend. That way if some brave girl complains, it’s all already decided. They’ll just send her back to daddy, daddy’s friend, and maybe an honor killing if she continues to rebel.
YES!!!
Now perhaps TX CPS can remember to follow the law in continuing their investigations. If they have evidence that any kids have been physically or sexually abused or were in imminent danger of such abuse, then they should do all in their power to protect those kids.
BUT - as for all the other kids - Leave them alone!!
I heard the number was 5 not 15.
cherry - No one is defending raping anyone. It’s “just” that CPS has to follow the law, which is: To remove a child, that child has to have been physically or sexually abused or be in imminent danger of such abuse, and that CPS made reasonable efforts to prevent removal.
CPS met none of these criteria, therefore TX Supreme Court and 3rd Appellate are correct.
Let CPS continue their investigations and follow the law this time.
Thank you for your post!! Well said.
I think I thew up a little in my mouth. Oh Dear God. And this man had his photo on this compound’s wall as A PROPHET, like Brigham Young for God sake!!
Just like an unborn baby should not be purnished for what a rapist does to the mother............so should not the children of a polygomist cult be punished for what the fathers do......
I’m not for polygomy or underage marriage........
But let the kids stay with their siblings and mother and in the families where the fathers have only one wife......
No proof has been put forward that ALL the kids came from polyamorous families.....the cops didn’t even know the kids’ names for the most part...they just took everyone in the compound.......no proof any laws were broken....
And if laws were broken by some of the fathers, then try them and send them to jail..........but, keep the kids together with the mothers.....
Why would anyone want these kids to become orphans just because of the sins of their fathers??????
Why would anyone want these kids not to ever see their siblings again just because of the sins of the fathers????
Why would anyone want these kids not to see thier mothers again just because of the sins of their fathers?????
Warren Jeffs was worshipped as a prophet (as Mohhamed-sp- is to Islam?!?!) to the people AT THIS COMPOUND. Not just as a religious thing, but as a personal “Warren Jeffs is our leader” way. His picture was on their wall!
>> Did you?
Matter of fact.
>> Do you pray for them now when they will be back in the clutches of a vile, abusive and destructive cult?
Of course. I’ll pray for you as well. Your anti-mormon agenda has made you bitter and hateful. And blind, and receptive to surrenduring our natural rights and the rule of law — the “self-evident truths” the Founders realized were of God — for momentary convenience, to advance your bitter agenda.
I haven't ruled it "completely irrelevent" so I'll post it where I deem fit.
Why would anyone want these kids not to see thier mothers again just because of the sins of their fathers?????
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A mother that does not protect her child is also culpable.
“crap. God please help those children! Please.”
Yeah, save them by taking them away from their parents at gunpoint, putting them with strangers, giving them a physical exam that includes anal and genital probes, and make them live with strangers who might as well live on Mars in terms of lifestyle.
Then have politicians try to seize their entire world to pay for this whole thing, while their parents bankrupt themselves with legal bills.
Do all of this of this on non-existent evidence, rumor, conjecture, and expert opinion.
That will DEFINITELY save them!
Sorry. No witch burning allowed...
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