Posted on 06/30/2008 4:41:23 PM PDT by Kevmo
History is not Science. Science is not Religion. Counting manuscripts, contemporaneous or not, is not ‘sturdy Science’ it is Historic analysis. One cannot approach issues of history from a Scientific perspective because there is no experiment, no null hypothesis, no control group. Scientific experimentation can be done to attempt to date artifacts, but that is, as I have said, not nearly the same thing.
And I am not at all trying to be antagonistic. Faith is faith. Science is not based upon faith but upon evidence. This makes Science more transitory and of less permanence, as Scripture states....
“So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen. For what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal” (2 Corinthians 4:18).
Hebrews 11
1Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
If people want to have a civil discussion about certain topics, they have to have it on your terms or they’re not going to have it at all.
***Incorrect. It would be on the Religion Moderator’s terms. You can have the same discussions on open threads, and we’ve all seen the result: vitriol and invective.
Yes, we have. Are you submitting that none of it was yours?
As I posted to you in #116, At this point it bears out that we are spending a lot of attention on something that is outside of the purview of this thread. If you want to continue down this line of discussion, open your own thread on the historicity of Christ and invite me to it.
Do you like the definitions from Scripture? Can you address them in the context of faith -vs- confidence?
The suggestion is idiotic.
***Hello, Religion Moderator. Once again I need to know if a post is considered antagonistic and if my response is going to survive. I’m still learning the ropes on ecumenical threads.
We’re using the definition as provided by Dictionary.com, as previously noted in the discussion above.
Scientism makes claims on the fundamental nature of reality dealing with metaphysics and philosophy of mind that are unsupportable by science. It’s a belief system.
As far as I can tell, I have never been engaged in Vitriol on an ecumenical thread.
Open threads are much looser, even by the religion moderator’s standards. The reason why the vitriol exists is because the standards are too loose.
Scientism makes claims on the fundamental nature of reality dealing with metaphysics and philosophy of mind that are unsupportable by science. It’s a belief system.
***Yup. And as such, they deserve the same protections as any other belief system.
Scientism is not the same thing as science. Scientism says that science is the only way to gain knowledge and as science is limited to the study of physical phenomena then the view of reality is limited to materialism. This is a belief.
The defintion as provided by Dictionary.com included....
Faith: belief without proof.
As is usual for me, I also like what Scripture has to say on the subject.
Hebrews 11:1
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
I wouldn’t disagree with that which is, IMO, is to say there ought to be no inherent protections aside from personal respect. Beyond that people should be free to discuss their beleifs freely.
Nobody who engaged in it on those threads bears any personal responsibility for the threads turning out the way they did - it's all the moderator's fault?
"The God I believe in isn't a liar." [excerpt]I don't believe that is appropriate for an Ecumenic thread.
"Have you read Alamo Girl & Betty Boop’s book? It’s very informative in terms of your world view. I go to Peninsula Bible Church and one of the pastors (Paul Taylor) in a recent sermon talked about this kind of outlook and said, that while he couldn’t say much about the physics, “the theology was spotless”."No I have not read the book.
I’d be glad to if I had asked any questions in the first place.
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