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Posted on 11/17/2008 6:46:59 PM PST by Red in Blue PA
I am currently thinking about getting a Kimber .45 Custom II, but am probably going to put it on hold as I would like a gun for CCW.
I tried my dad's Ruger LCP and it was very nice and light, but I would like greater stopping power with a CCW. So I was thinking about taking the plunge and getting a Kimber Ultra Carry .45. Does anyone here have one? And if so, how accuarate are they? A 3 inch barrel is about the same as the Ruger LCP I think, and I am concerned about its accuracy.
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A LEO friend of mine said that the majority of gunfights happen around 9-12 feet some even closer ... I carry a .32 Beretta Tomcat with Glazer Safeties ....
If that is the case then the LCP may fit the bill, and save me a boatload of money.
I know this is not relevant to the thread but my grandson turned one Friday.
Part of his gift is a AK 47. He will not gain full possession of it until he is 21, but he shall learn how to use it when he is 10.
Thought if we waited (well, not we, my hubby) it would be outlawed by then.
A local store (with a poor reputation IMO) had Glocks on sale this past weekend for $499 (approx 5 models). Maybe I should check them out.
In the past 4 weeks, I bought:
Ruger P95 9mm
And now I am lookng for a CCW, though I would really like to get a Kimber Custom II .45.
And I just applied for my CCW. I grew up with guns but am just getting back into them after about 20+ years.
We do have quite a collection. Hubby’s goes back many years.
Sigh, he is not done yet...with the collection : )
It does make sense. Sad but true.
I am considering the newish Beretta 9 mm carry or the XD 9 mm or the new Ruger carry 9 mm SR9(?).
I vote XD 9.
Okay, make it two. Check out "The 642 Club at www.thehighroad.org.
You will need to maintain it. Ultra-compact .45s can be touchy with respect to recoil springs - change yours annually. And make sure you check for potential feed problems with the same self-defense ammunition you plan on carrying. It's an expensive way to practice but what's your life worth?
There are other alternatives that are worth considering, depending on how you usually dress when you carry and what you're used to in terms of training. In the wintertime I've carried a full-frame gummint model .45 (yes, a Kimber) with no fuss and I'm a little guy. In the summer, though, I'll opt for a .40 S&W Glock, a 9mm Kahr, or a .38 spl snubbie because there just isn't room for the bigger platform. Your mileage will certainly vary! With decent shot placement at social distances they'll all do just fine.
Oh, and budget for some decent leather. It makes ALL the difference in CCW.
My advice will depend on how/where you plan to conceal it.
How big are you? I am relatively tall but was concerned that the P95 would be too large. But your carry looks to be larger than my P95.
Thanks for the post. Kimbers, from all I have read, have excellent reputations.
I have shot my dad’s Custom II and it is very nice, though I am not nearly as accurate as he is;-)
Go check it out.
I got a 442 and you forget its there.
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I think I may have to check out Kimbers this weekend. I would like to save money if possible, bu tthen again, is your life worth saving a few hundred bucks?
I’m 6’, 215. I don’t know the dimensions of a P95, but the P345 is 7 5/8 L x 5 1/2 H x 1 1/8 W (approximate). It’s among the smallest Ruger P-series chambered for .45 ACP.
What Ruger model is that? I have P85 - very reliable guns
I believe the barrel of your gun is .3 inches longer than the P95.
The P95 is a bit big for a carry. Good gun but big. The new Ruger RS9(?) is nice and smallish.
Barrel length is just a hair over 4”.
Kahr Arms P40. Carried it when I lived in Seattle. Now in a May Issue (in a million years!) state, so only use it for target practice now. :(
I have both a Glock 23 (compact .40 S&W) and a Kimber Pro Carry Ten II (.45). Both are pretty light, but difficult to conceal in the warmer weather.
I am ‘better’ with the Kimber though I haven’t had it nearly as long as the Glock. I suspect that the Single-Action trigger is just more comfortable for me than the Glock’s DAO trigger. Then again, I always did well qualifying with the old 1911. It just ‘feels’ right.
I just added a set of Crimson Trace grips to it.
I post at THR. I'll have to take a look at the 642 club thread.
I carry a Kimber Ultraraptor II. I carry it in the waist band behind the right hip with a 511 Tactical shirt open over a regular shirt. It works fine for me.......... Also use 185 grain + p hollow points in the pipe for that little extra zip to make up for the 3 inch barrel. hydroshocks are ok also....
My first carry gun was a .44 special, Charter Arms Bulldog
My second was a Ruger P345 .45
Now I’m carrying a Glock 30 .45
I never leave home without it. It never stays on the nightstand while I am out of the house.
“Kimber Ultra Carry .45.”
We have several. Love them! In fact, my full size 1911, A Kimber TLE/RL II, feels heavy and awkward compared to the Ultra Carry. I use a Galco SkyOps holster when wearing shorts and jeans but use the Galco Miami Classic, a shoulder holster, for jackets when flying or just out shopping in the winter. The Ultra Carry shoots accurate and reliably. We both have them and can group small shots of 3” at 25 feet without any problems. They are extremely well balanced. I favor it over the full size.
“A LEO friend of mine said that the majority of gunfights happen around 9-12 feet some even closer”
That’s a good point. What most people fail to understand is that in most cases it is better to get off the x than to engage in a gunfight. If you are far enough away from the other shooter it might be best to get cover or run away. It’s situational of course, but if you are engaged in a gunfight at 40 feet you shouldn’t be in a gunfight.
“185 grain + p hollow points “
I like the 185gr Speer Gold Dots for the same reason. Excellent round that has that little extra velocity for shooting from the shorter barrel.
An excellent choice. It's roughly the same as a 1911 yet about half the weight. And it packs almost the same ballistic punch as the .45 cartridge.
Lately I've been using a little Sig 230 in .380. It lacks the punch of a full 9mm, but the recoil is so light I can put 3 rounds in the head of a silhouette target at 8 feet one handed.
In my State CC is completely illegal, so one has to 'improvise'.
As big as you can carry, as small as you can hide (Kimber Ultra Carry CDP).
The PF9 and two extra magazines gives you quite a bit of firepower in a VERY compact, easily concealed setup.
It costs $200 over the Ultra Carry but she really liked the styling and if that what it took to get her into 1911s, so be it. She also finds shooting it to be "fun".
but i am sure you know all this.
the LCP using hollow point ammo can have the same impact as a 45 cal on the body. It is legal here in Arizona and it ensures that the round does not go through and hit someone else. Hollow points can and do one hell of a lot of damage to the flesh.
I love my “raptor”, and, btw my back up back up is a glock 27.....
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Two to the center and one to the head,THEN check the target for response......
Any weapon you buy won’t be of much use if you are not comfortable with it. An effectively used .22 can be far more practical and effective than a .44 AutoMag, depending on the person.
There is a long list of things to consider when trying to find what is the right pistol for you. Here are some I think are important.
1) A gun does not make you a superman, it does not guarantee that you will “win” or gives you “control” over all situations, and if you think it is anything more special than any other tool, it may actually be a problem for you when you might need it. The situation is always bigger than the tool.
2) A gun is not appropriate for all situations, and if it isn’t, it fills up a hand that you might need for something else. This is why police really like Tasers, because they can be used in the huge gray area between doing nothing and shooting someone.
3) A “one shot quick kill” is the exception, not the rule. Do not think of firing a bullet as ending a situation, but beginning a situation. You can miss, or just graze them. They might advance on you if hit, or retreat. Trying to get away, they might go into another room deeper in your home, or dash outside. They might be clear headed or drunk or drugged up or insane. If they are armed, they might shoot back or throw things. As soon as they see you, they might put their hands up.
So you have to be mentally prepared for just about anything. Often, anything that does not involve shooting or shooting any more.
4) For heaven’s sake, identify your target. This may not be easy, as it may be dark and you don’t have your night vision. You may be sluggish from sleep or drink, yourself.
5) Make sure your safety is off or on, as is appropriate.
I've been working on the second half of 'two center mass, one to the head' of late.
Phoenix Arms HP22LR. True pocket gun so small you can also carry an extra mag along. Head shot or bladderregion, no recoil so you can zip thrre quick on target and observe results. I carry nine plus one though mag will hold ten (I don’t like to leave the mag spring completely compressed all the time and alternate mags when I think about it. Has available 5 inch barrel but carry with a 3 inch, stainless. ~$180 in kit with two mags and two barrels. Fits in a pants pocket ready to roll if needed, invisible to lookers. I’ve put three thousand rounds through the first barrel (now on second barrel) with the only failure being ammunition flaws. Clean after 20 to 30 rounds through it and it will function flawlessly with Remington JHP LRs.
http://stevespages.com/page8f45acp.html To help you with bullet selection....posted to all on the thread
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