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Change They Can Litigate - The fringe movement to keep Barack Obama from becoming president.
Salon ^ | December 4, 2008 | David Weigel

Posted on 12/04/2008 4:28:46 PM PST by smokingfrog

If you want to stop Barack Obama from becoming president, there's still time. But you have to act right now. Go to RallyCongress.com, and you can be the 126,000th-odd American to demand "proof of citizenship" from the president-elect. Follow the instructions at WeMustBeHeard.com, and you can join a sit-in outside the Supreme Court of the United States, starting at 8 a.m. Friday, as the justices decide whether to consider a suit filed by a professional poker player that challenges the presidential eligibility of Obama, John McCain, and Socialist Workers candidate Roger Calero.

Can't make it to Washington, D.C.? Too bad—you missed your chance to FedEx a letter to the justices for only $10, sponsored by the venerable right-wing site (and Chuck Norris column outlet) WorldNetDaily. "There is grave, widespread and rapidly growing concern throughout the American public," writes WND Editor Joseph Farah, "that this constitutional requirement is being overlooked and enforcement neglected by state and federal election authorities."

Widespread? Rapidly growing? Who are these people? They're engaging in a new American political tradition: the quadrennial early-winter attempt to overturn presidential results by any means necessary.

(Excerpt) Read more at slate.com ...


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KEYWORDS: bho2008; birthcertificate; certifigate; obama; scotus
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Are you part of the "fringe?"
1 posted on 12/04/2008 4:28:46 PM PST by smokingfrog
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To: smokingfrog

bump...


2 posted on 12/04/2008 4:30:46 PM PST by tutstar (Baptist Ping list - freepmail me to get on or off.)
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To: Nightshift

gnip...


3 posted on 12/04/2008 4:32:24 PM PST by tutstar (Baptist Ping list - freepmail me to get on or off.)
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To: smokingfrog
They're engaging in a new American political tradition: the quadrennial early-winter attempt to overturn presidential results by any means necessary.

That would be Gore and the Dems. Oh and Franken may give it a shot.

4 posted on 12/04/2008 4:34:16 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: smokingfrog
Are you part of the "fringe?"

They must be talking about the New Times, Los Angeles Times, and Washington Post. They all ran article this year questioning McCain natural born citizenship.

5 posted on 12/04/2008 4:34:27 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: smokingfrog

Fringe and proud of it!


6 posted on 12/04/2008 4:35:53 PM PST by autumnraine (Churchill: " we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall never surrender")
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To: smokingfrog

The liberal litigation whores complain of litigation...

No more is it a culture or excuses or rationalization for tolerance of gays or what not, but with their messsiah , now liberals have finaly a real evil face to impose. Whatever they say now is with a face, a face f their racism, a face of their fascist “facism”.

When they go to replace cross, Bible and 10 commandments in our private and public halls, replacing it with Obama’s, Mao’s or CHe’s or even Hitler (yet another face), remember the disgusting face of leftism and lies.


7 posted on 12/04/2008 4:36:05 PM PST by JudgemAll (control freaks, their world & their problem with my gun and my protecting my private party)
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To: smokingfrog
They're engaging in a new American political tradition: the quadrennial early-winter attempt to overturn presidential results by any means necessary.

So they're admitting that's what Gore's and Kerry's people were trying to do??

Dole never tried that. Nor Bush nor Perot.

8 posted on 12/04/2008 4:36:55 PM PST by Tanniker Smith (Teachers open the door. It's up to you to enter. Before the late bell. When I close the door.)
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To: smokingfrog

Yep, I am consumed by this craaazy idea that the constitution really means what it explicitly says. Now that is a REAL fringe.


9 posted on 12/04/2008 4:37:14 PM PST by arrogantsob (Hero vs Zero)
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To: smokingfrog
Huh. We finally found a case where litigation to overturn the outcome of an election meets with something less with wholehearted approval from the lefties at Salon.
10 posted on 12/04/2008 4:37:25 PM PST by Steely Tom (RKBA: last line of defense against vote fraud)
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To: smokingfrog

I didn’t intend to be part of the fringe; I was sure that at some point he’d make us all look silly.

I’m still waiting. Answering the question is so easy, it takes a strange kind of stubbornness to refuse to answer. He could easily make up a packet with a certified copy of the certificate and send it to 2 or 3 major newspapers, and be done with it.

That, and answer two questions: what citizenship did he claim when he applied for college. And what passport did he travel with when he went to Pakistan.

Very simple questions. He could answer today if he wanted to.

And there we’d all be with egg on our faces.

So why doesn’t he do it?


11 posted on 12/04/2008 4:38:00 PM PST by marron
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To: smokingfrog

What’s the problem Salon? Are you too unconfortable to continue ignoring this story?


12 posted on 12/04/2008 4:40:02 PM PST by Onelifetogive (I'm gonna drop talk radio in favor of some audio books. Gotta lower my blood pressure.)
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To: smokingfrog

How much trouble could it be to produce a legitimate proof of birth? McCain did it, and that document is ancient compared to Obama’s. Asking Obama to prove he is a citizen doesn’t seem unreasonable, hardly fringe, kook stuff like the hate-Bush leftnuts frothed out for eight years. The goons can’t stand this birth certificate thing finally seeing the light of day.


13 posted on 12/04/2008 4:40:37 PM PST by pallis
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To: Red Steel
"They all ran article this year questioning McCain natural born citizenship."

IIRC, this was done quite early in the process, not after the election has been decided. IMHO, the timing of the uproar and most of these legal actions is part of what makes it appear as desperate and fringy. Yes, I realize some of these issues were being discussed on FR prior to the election, but you are talking about a handful of people in comparison to the electorate in general.

14 posted on 12/04/2008 4:41:13 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (America: Home of the Free Because of the Brave)
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To: smokingfrog

Fringe movement? Excuse me?


15 posted on 12/04/2008 4:41:52 PM PST by Domandred (Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.)
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To: smokingfrog
Yeah, I'm part of the Fringe. I watch it every week on FOX.

This country's in trouble when the mainstream media calls enforcing the U.S. Constitution "the fringe".

16 posted on 12/04/2008 4:44:20 PM PST by America2012
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To: smokingfrog
I think it's interesting to note that this is the first time in American history that the citizenship of a president-elect is being questioned. And what is even more interesting is that this president-elect refuses to release to the American public his proof of citizenship.

We live in interesting times.

17 posted on 12/04/2008 4:44:41 PM PST by LiberConservative
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To: smokingfrog
a new American political tradition: the quadrennial early-winter attempt to overturn presidential results by any means necessary

Who ever did that before? Besides Gore and Kerry, who has ever tried to litigate a presidential election?

We aren't trying to overthrow the election by litigation. We couldn't if we wanted to. All we want is for him to show his eligibility, and once he shows it, he goes on with his life and we go on with ours. In no way does that interfere with the election process.

In no way.

Unless Weigel's suggesting that maybe showing his eligibility might change the outcome of the election; you don't suppose he's insinuating that, do you?

18 posted on 12/04/2008 4:44:47 PM PST by marron
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To: smokingfrog

WOW ... wanting “The People” and the nation to follow the Constitution is now .... fringe?

Alas America, I loved you, I defended you, I supported you, but you have left me and I don’t know you anymore.


19 posted on 12/04/2008 4:45:44 PM PST by taxcontrol
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

Actually, we’ve been questioning his eligibility since the early summer, when he FIRST refused to produce his birth certificate. This isn’t something new many of us have thought up. The fact that the MSM only now decides to pay it lip service doesn’t mean that the questions weren’t being asked months before the election.

Also, the Hawaii Governor announced the securing (sealing or whatever) of Obigula’s birth certificate BEFORE the election. These lawsuits have been around for awhile. They only report on them now because it sounds like we’re bringing up something new. We’re not.


20 posted on 12/04/2008 4:48:06 PM PST by Right Cal Gal (Abraham Lincoln would have let Berkeley leave the Union without a fight)
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To: smokingfrog

Guilty


21 posted on 12/04/2008 4:48:27 PM PST by TexasCajun
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To: marron

Consider me a ‘Consititutional Fringer’. I believe in Her, and I demand Her to be upheld. Many have already DIED, and continue to die for Her. Nothing big, ya’ know. Just another kook, here. /s


22 posted on 12/04/2008 4:49:48 PM PST by RushIsMyTeddyBear
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To: smokingfrog

I’m wondering if BHO ever donated blood. If I’m not mistaken, I think you have to write on the donor form where you were born...just asking.


23 posted on 12/04/2008 4:51:10 PM PST by jackofhearts (Unko bachana kaun chahega (Who will want to save them)?”)
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To: smokingfrog

There are FEW regulations about who can be elected President......being a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN is one of them!! What if we didn’t know how OLD he is???


24 posted on 12/04/2008 4:51:35 PM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion.....The Human Sacrifinish attitude.e to the god of Convenience.)
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To: smokingfrog

“Fringe?” Darn, I still want to be called part of the “vast right wing conspiracy.”

Those people who still believe in the US Constitution are pretty “fringe”.


25 posted on 12/04/2008 5:01:48 PM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: Proud2BeRight

The liberals just shake their heads at you and reapeat your name a couple of times when confronted with the prospect of Obama’s BC.


26 posted on 12/04/2008 5:05:23 PM PST by Boardwalk
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To: smokingfrog

These people must really be getting scared by the attention this is starting to get. All we want is to see a genuine birth certificate to confirm that Obama is a “natural born citizen.” In any other world that wouldn’t seem unreasonable, but ours’ has become so topsy-turvy that right is wrong, up is down, and the Constitution is just a list of suggestions.


27 posted on 12/04/2008 5:06:44 PM PST by ChocChipCookie (Homeschool like your kids' lives depend on it.)
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To: smokingfrog

Thanks and I have sent that petition everywhere!


28 posted on 12/04/2008 5:12:17 PM PST by real_patriotic_american
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

Not too early in the process. Their McCain foreign birth stories ran in March through June. Juxtapose the McCain stories with Main Stream Media stories that they ran exposing Obama, who has a weaker case to be a legitimate president. There was no Obama articles to juxtapose with. Detect any bias?


29 posted on 12/04/2008 5:12:31 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Right Cal Gal
"This isn’t something new many of us have thought up."

I guess that's why in my post I acknowledged that it was being discussed here before the election.

30 posted on 12/04/2008 5:12:36 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (America: Home of the Free Because of the Brave)
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To: Ann Archy

It is offensive that so many in the media write about this issue as if someone just thought this up out of the blue as an attempt to reverse an election. He and his parents lived in a number of countries throughout his childhood. I guess you could say that he had a multi-national upbringing.

It would, indeed, be outrageous had he clearly lived from day 1 in the United States and yet people were questioning whether he is a natural born citizen. However, that is simply not the case. Facts have been laid out which make these questions reasonable.

Further, Obama’s unwillingness to address this for SO LONG and the sealing of most/all? of his records here and in Kenya raise unavoidable questions.


31 posted on 12/04/2008 5:12:37 PM PST by OneTimeComment (I)
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To: Red Steel

The bias is a given. The surprise would be no bias.


32 posted on 12/04/2008 5:14:04 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (America: Home of the Free Because of the Brave)
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To: smokingfrog

Amazing. Asking for proof of birth to hold the highest office in the land is “fringe”.

In order to get a DL here in KY, my wife had to bring in her [original, not copies) birth certificate and marriage license. I couldn’t say, well gee I’ve seen it, you can take my word for it.

This will really anger you:
I called (KY) Senator Bunning’s office today and asked why no Republicans in congress were calling the release of his BC. I asked what the Senator’s position was on the matter. I was told, somewhat haughtily, that it was a judicial matter and not in the Senator’s purview. That he could not publicly say anything because of that. When I persisted and said that I, and any other US citizen had the RIGHT to demand BO produce proof of birth, she got downright frosty.

Bunning is a fairly conservative Senator, so I have to wonder just what is going on here. My call to McConnell’s office was just as fruitless. What in the world are these people afraid of??


33 posted on 12/04/2008 5:18:34 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s........you weren't really there)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

“What in the world are these people afraid of??” Awakening We The People, and then being tossed out in disgrace for not living to their oath of office. No wonder Republican conservatives are becoming so scarce, the testicle to father more are in such short supply!


34 posted on 12/04/2008 5:23:50 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

These are the same guys who ran stories they got from lefty bloggers who said that baby Trig was Sarah Palin’s daughter’s baby. Carl Cameron reports a silly story that Palin thinks that the continent of Africa is a country.

So who is the fringe movement? Seems to me they are the flakes in the fringe.


35 posted on 12/04/2008 5:24:02 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Proud2BeRight
“Fringe?” Darn, I still want to be called part of the “vast right wing conspiracy.”

"vast right wing conspiracy" sounds to powerful - "fringe" not so much

36 posted on 12/04/2008 5:24:34 PM PST by smokingfrog (Buy'em cheap. Bury'em deep.)
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To: smokingfrog
Are you part of the "fringe?"

I'm SO fringe I swoosh when I walk.

37 posted on 12/04/2008 5:29:36 PM PST by Brad's Gramma ( PRAY!)
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To: Red Steel

I heard a better one: Mara Liasson, on Special Report, stated that Ayers and Obama perhaps had met casually because their children attended the same school ... right off of David Axelrod’s talking points graduated lies list for layer deceit. Hume sat their smiling politely without uttering a word. Idiot propagandists


38 posted on 12/04/2008 5:30:19 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: smokingfrog

“Who are these people?” People who give a damn about The Constitution, that’s who! People who don’t give a rat’s patoot about Hollywierd and celebrities. People who would die for their country.

Libtards just don’t get it. It’s a Patriot thing.


39 posted on 12/04/2008 5:30:22 PM PST by TheConservativeParty ("A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not why the ship was built." by The First Gal of AK)
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To: smokingfrog

Things are busting open folks.

See the Hate it’s only fear.


40 posted on 12/04/2008 5:36:24 PM PST by Blu By U
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To: smokingfrog

Looks like we’re the moonbats now. LOL!


41 posted on 12/04/2008 5:37:23 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: arrogantsob
if we are to ignore article 2 of the Constitution, then it should be perfectly alright to ignore amendment 16...

and the last i checked, giving away $7.5 trillion while deliberately denying any requests for detailed accounting for who and how much received those funds, would be...

taxation without representation

ok... history quiz... what comes next?

42 posted on 12/04/2008 5:55:17 PM PST by sten
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To: sten

tea!


43 posted on 12/04/2008 5:56:35 PM PST by Boardwalk
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To: jackofhearts

i doubt if BOH ever donated blood you aren’t suppose to if you are a coke user not the drinking kind either


44 posted on 12/04/2008 5:57:17 PM PST by mt tom (high in the sierras looking down into the garden spot of the world)
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To: smokingfrog

People can pretend that Obama is President, but he can never really BE President. He’s not a natural born citizen of the USA, and possibly may not be a citizen at all.


45 posted on 12/04/2008 6:28:45 PM PST by devere
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To: Boardwalk
you are correct sir!

while we are at it... how about a little tar and feathering for BFrank?

46 posted on 12/04/2008 6:28:47 PM PST by sten
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To: Red Steel
There are flakes on the fringes, both liberal and conservative. To liberals, the conservatives are much worse and vice-versa. I think every person with 2 firing brain cells knows that the Palin baby story was outrageous. I was disgusted that we even repeated it here on FR and gave it any coverage whatsoever.

Carl Cameron is a reporter. It seemed to me that he was reporting what he was told and his blog indicated that he was told these things by more than one person. I never heard Cameron say that it was his opinion that Palin was not-so-bright. He also covered the huge crowds that she drew and he spoke of the electricity she created. That didn't make me think that he was cheerleading for her either. He was embedded with the campaign and reported what FoxNews considered 'news'.

47 posted on 12/04/2008 7:05:08 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (America: Home of the Free Because of the Brave)
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To: smokingfrog

Drudge has this on his main page now.


48 posted on 12/04/2008 7:07:15 PM PST by ajay_kumar (Real conservatives in 2012)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

A responsible reporter would have got the accuser on record and not report it as hearsay or other scuttle butt.


49 posted on 12/04/2008 7:14:39 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: smokingfrog

I wonder if the best argument would be that Obama is not claiming to be a natural-born citizen, but claiming that it shouldn’t matter. Even if I were an Elector pledged to vote for someone whose birth I’d personally witnessed, if my candidate claimed his national-born citizenship didn’t matter, I would defect. Even if I knew for a certainty that he was, in fact, a natural born citizen, the claim that natural-born citizenship status shouldn’t matter is repugnant to the Constitution.


50 posted on 12/04/2008 7:22:10 PM PST by supercat (Barry Soetoro == Bravo Sierra)
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