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Guns what to buy for home protection?
none ^ | 3/23/2009 | me

Posted on 03/23/2009 8:03:30 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953

I'm looking to buy a gun for protection and a riffle for hunting. I have handled guns but it has been a long time so I have become rather ignorant on what to have. So I'm asking the gun owners on FR to chime in and give advice on this and if possible some guide lines on what to pay for a good gun and riffle. Thanks


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1 posted on 03/23/2009 8:03:30 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953
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To: guitarplayer1953

In my opinion best home defense weapon is a shotgun.


2 posted on 03/23/2009 8:04:48 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Obamanomics: we have to destroy the US Economy in order to save it!)
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To: guitarplayer1953

If you click on the banglist topic link, you’ll find many threads on this topic.


3 posted on 03/23/2009 8:05:44 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Fight Crime. Shoot Back.)
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To: guitarplayer1953

Not sure about riffles, but a good hunting rifle would be a Remington 700 in .30-06 or .308.


4 posted on 03/23/2009 8:06:34 PM PDT by Doohickey (The more cynical you become, the better off you'll be.)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

is that the search option?


5 posted on 03/23/2009 8:06:58 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Psalm 83:1-8 is on the horizon.)
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To: guitarplayer1953

Here is what to buy

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=11101&storeId=10001&productId=14790&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=15704&isFirearm=Y


6 posted on 03/23/2009 8:08:15 PM PDT by joinedafterattack
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To: guitarplayer1953

for home, pistol is best, imho. pros and cons between pistol and shotgun, but i think pistol is better.


7 posted on 03/23/2009 8:08:45 PM PDT by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: Doohickey

Are the larger caliber ammo still available? I have been lead to believe that it is becoming very hard to get in a large quantities.


8 posted on 03/23/2009 8:09:13 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Psalm 83:1-8 is on the horizon.)
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To: MNJohnnie

Saiga 12 gauge.


9 posted on 03/23/2009 8:09:56 PM PDT by Total Package (TOLEDO, OHIO THE MRSA INFECTION IN THE STATE and the death of freedom)
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To: guitarplayer1953

Top of the page, right after SCOTUS and ProLife....


10 posted on 03/23/2009 8:10:11 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Fight Crime. Shoot Back.)
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To: guitarplayer1953

Depending upon your location....Gun Shows can give you multiple choices and advice.....Church goers tend to be Armed at home also...seek and ye shall find.


11 posted on 03/23/2009 8:10:34 PM PDT by 4Speed
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To: guitarplayer1953

me too...

bump for later


12 posted on 03/23/2009 8:10:42 PM PDT by zwerni (this isn't gonna be good for business)
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To: joinedafterattack

ouch. 800 bucks?


13 posted on 03/23/2009 8:11:20 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Psalm 83:1-8 is on the horizon.)
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To: guitarplayer1953

What type of hunting? For home defense a short overall length shotgun would be handy as would a low powered big bore handgun such as the .45 Colt, something like the old Colt New Service or a Smith & Wesson model 25.

Actually just about any handgun is better than nothing. I like autos but for quick simple use a revolver might be better.

Even a Ruger 10/22 Autoloading rifle would be fine. Keep it loaded with a high quality 30-50 round magazine and you could do a lot worse. It is short and handy and pretty powerful with those soft lead bullets putting out 150 ft. Poudns of energy.


14 posted on 03/23/2009 8:11:24 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: guitarplayer1953
I'd go with the Winchester 1300 Defender shotgun with the high vis fiber optic front sight for home defense. I own one and have equipped it with a pistol grip / folding stock. Simple to use, reliable and very intimidating.
15 posted on 03/23/2009 8:12:39 PM PDT by Desron13 (If you constantly vote between the lesser of two evils then evil is your ultimate destination.)
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To: Doohickey
Not sure about riffles

They shoot hollow plastic bullets covered with little tiny holes.

16 posted on 03/23/2009 8:12:43 PM PDT by Onelifetogive (Let's get to altering or abolishing!)
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To: guitarplayer1953

Too bad you’d have to buy a registered gun.

They’re going to eventually come for it, you know.


17 posted on 03/23/2009 8:13:05 PM PDT by keats5
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To: thefactor

Yeah. Inside the home you really do not want to be using a rifle. Also inside the home you do not want to use full metal jacket bullets.

Join the NRA and get training too.


18 posted on 03/23/2009 8:14:37 PM PDT by Frantzie (Boycott GE - they own NBC, MSNBC, CNBC & Universal. Boycott Disney - they own ABC)
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To: MNJohnnie
In my opinion best home defense weapon is a shotgun.

Agree - it's almost impossible to miss and the shot doesn't kill a sleeping child three rooms down. Shoot a pistol and the shot goes right through layers of drywall - not so with a shotgun. Also, the intimidation factor - anyone looking down the barrel knows you're not going to miss...

19 posted on 03/23/2009 8:14:45 PM PDT by GOPJ (Dem's are making *an example of AIG - business will fall in line or else. (*Easier to "shake-down"))
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To: MNJohnnie
In my opinion best home defense weapon is a shotgun.

Agree - it's almost impossible to miss and the shot doesn't kill a sleeping child three rooms down. Shoot a pistol and the shot goes right through layers of drywall - not so with a shotgun. Also, the intimidation factor - anyone looking down the barrel knows you're not going to miss...

20 posted on 03/23/2009 8:15:33 PM PDT by GOPJ (Dem's are making *an example of AIG - business will fall in line or else. (*Easier to "shake-down"))
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To: guitarplayer1953

For hunting... 90% of all actual killing of game animals is inside of 100 yards. The most idea rifle there could be for North American hunting would be that Marlin lever-action chambered for 44 magnum. The pistol cartridge picks up an extra 300 fps or so in the rifle barrel, there is no serious recoil, and it will absolutely drop animals which so-called magnum rifles with three times the ballistics will not. Very little relation between ballistics and lethality; the 44 - 45 caliber rifles are much more lethal than the 30s.


21 posted on 03/23/2009 8:16:00 PM PDT by wendy1946
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To: guitarplayer1953

shotgun...12 ga

If you must have a handgun, there’s lots to choose from:

glock
springfield
beretta

Sig and H&K are fairly popular too but I don’t care for them. Well, I like sig alot, just not at the price they want for them.

My first choice for a brand new pistol would be a beretta Px4 storm. Springfield has the new XDm...don’t know much about them though. Ruger makes pretty good pistols too.


22 posted on 03/23/2009 8:16:55 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: joinedafterattack
Worst possible choice.

Not only is a pistol conter-intuative, but a hammerless is the worse.

Remember the video of the crazy who got 5 feet away, on the other side of a 2 foot tree from his former lawyer? Six shots and the lawyer walked away.

Finally, if you shoot someone with a .38, it hurts badly enough that they are going to be really pissed, get up and hurt you back, but much worse!

A 12 ga (20 if you are a small woman or a disabled senior) shotgun, loaded with #4 buckshot. Baseball size hole going in, slow pitch softball size coming out!

And it's totally intuitive.

The next words that are said after you shoot a perp with that are "Dearly Beloved."

23 posted on 03/23/2009 8:17:43 PM PDT by MindBender26 (The Hellfire Missile is one of the wonderful ways God shows us he loves American Soldiers & Marines)
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To: guitarplayer1953

Shotgun, no shortage at all of ammo, even if there is a shortage of slugs, 00 buck or 4 with a little hnowhow you can get any of the million game loads and repack with something common like fishing weights.


24 posted on 03/23/2009 8:17:59 PM PDT by Eye of Unk ("If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace." T. Paine)
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To: Total Package

Get you a mossburg 500, great home defence gun. Keep her loaded with buckshot.


25 posted on 03/23/2009 8:18:29 PM PDT by Halosixteen
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To: Halosixteen

You might consider using #4 buckshot because it won’t generally penetrate 2 layers of drywall. Might avoid shooting the wife or kiddies.


26 posted on 03/23/2009 8:20:23 PM PDT by Old Mountain man (Blessed be the Peacemaker.)
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To: Old Mountain man

.45

‘cause they don’t make a .46


27 posted on 03/23/2009 8:21:48 PM PDT by 9422WMR (When seconds count, the cops are only minutes away.)
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To: guitarplayer1953

Why to NEVER depend on a handgun for defense if you are not a VERY well trained psitol shooter

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbT-JLYihtw

28 posted on 03/23/2009 8:22:45 PM PDT by MindBender26 (The Hellfire Missile is one of the wonderful ways God shows us he loves American Soldiers & Marines)
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To: guitarplayer1953
LOL! Why ask here? Nobody on FR has any strong opinions on firearms... ;-)

For home defense, unless your situation is quite unusual, a decent shotgun is a good start. 12 or 20 gauge depending on who's going to be shooting it. A Mossberg 500 or a Remington 870 can be had for right around $200-250.

For a rifle, same "it depends." If it's to put meat on the table a .308 or .30-06 is a classic hunting rifle. A .270 or a 7x57 is an easy-shooting alternative if the ladies are going to play. For self-protection you can caliber down to a .223 - a Ruger 10-22 is a low-cost option there. You're not going to be popping commies at 500 yds with it but then you aren't anyway, so why fantasize? An SKS is another way to go there.

These would be my suggestions for long arms at a bargain price. For a hand gun you'd find it hard to beat a .357 magnum wheelgun - they also shoot .38 special, a much lighter-recoil round, for practice. Semiautos tend to be a bit more pricey. It is especially important that you try a handgun first, though - it's a very personal taste.

More later - I think you'll find the forum full of good advice...

29 posted on 03/23/2009 8:24:01 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: wendy1946
How is the ammo availability for them? I'm liking the suggestion of getting a shot gun with large shot in it. A good 12ga. is pretty common. That would do for home defense and your lever action marlin sound great if one can find the ammo. I'll look into it. thanks.
30 posted on 03/23/2009 8:26:28 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Psalm 83:1-8 is on the horizon.)
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To: Halosixteen

Good choice, especially since it has a safety for both right-hand and left-hand shooters. I have the Mossberg along with an Ithaca M87 Police pump, a reliable gun but the righty cross-bolt safety is a bit of a pain for me as southpaw.


31 posted on 03/23/2009 8:27:07 PM PDT by 12Gauge687 (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice)
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To: Billthedrill

12 Ga. number 2 buck shot backed up with slugs.


32 posted on 03/23/2009 8:27:31 PM PDT by jedi150
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To: guitarplayer1953

Next to my bed - locked and loaded
S & W .38 hammerless 5 shot
With a red laser light - right on target

33 posted on 03/23/2009 8:28:21 PM PDT by yorkie
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To: Billthedrill

I had a browning bar 12ga when I was a kid or should I say dad had one he let me use.


34 posted on 03/23/2009 8:28:43 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Psalm 83:1-8 is on the horizon.)
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To: 12Gauge687

Shotgun extends out, easy for someone to grab. Self-defense experts recommend a revolver or semi-auto. I would recommend a S&W .357. Kick isn’t as heavy as a .44 or .45, and it will do the job. A revolver is ALWAYS ready to shoot, and you don’t have to work the slide or worry about it jamming.


35 posted on 03/23/2009 8:29:23 PM PDT by rstrahan
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To: Total Package

Amen brother...the Saiga-12 is the best home defense weapon available. I can have 20 rounds off in a matter of seconds. A saiga 12 with a 20 round drum magazine is a lot of fire power. No other shotgun can touch it!!


36 posted on 03/23/2009 8:31:56 PM PDT by woofer2425 (You will all be using Macs within 10 years)
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To: jedi150; Old Mountain man

Yep, I agree. I’m with OMM here, alternating #4 and slug, but it’s the same principle. Got a good deal on #4 at a gun show. Do you remember (sob!) when ammo was cheap? :-(


37 posted on 03/23/2009 8:33:01 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: guitarplayer1953

For the house, a shotgun. Remington or Mossberg. Pump or semi-auto. 12 gage, or 20 [if someone using it is recoil averse].

Hunting: Depends on what you hunt, and where you hunt it [In a lot of New York, you can only hunt deer w/ a shotgun]. Northeast Whitetail, try a bolt action 7mm-08, .270 or .270 WSM, a.308, or .30-06 [Remington, Winchester, Ruger, Browning], or if you like levers, Marlin or Mossberg in 30-30, or Marlin in .308 Marlin or .35 Remington. .338 Federal’s good, too. All the 30s should be OK for blackbear.

For moose, heavier. Ditto for Elk [ I’d start at .30-06]. Ditto for boar and double ditto for Brown Bear [think 300 mag, 300WSM, 338 mag, maybe 45-70, .358 Win.

Small game: .22LR, 22 masg., 22-250, w/ 25-06, .243 Win.
Good luck, .223 works for varmints, too- like coyotes. Good luck.


38 posted on 03/23/2009 8:34:07 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: guitarplayer1953

Pistol on my nightstand, shotgun in the corner and an AR in my closet. Works for me. Oh, and I have a German Shepherd dog that sleeps near my bed. He is my first line of defense. ;>)

But, if all you want is a one gun, I recommend a shotgun, I like a 12ga pump. You won’t need to find your glasses, you won’t need to worry all that much about your aim when waking from a sound sleep, while having to deal with an adrenalin rush. It will stop any man, immediately, but is does make a mess. Retention is easy and if you know how, you can beat the bad guy to death with it. AND, nothing says “I mean it” like the sound of racking that monster. ;>)

Good luck... practice, practice, practice.


39 posted on 03/23/2009 8:36:42 PM PDT by Gator113 (For America to Survive, Obama Must Fail..... Obama=Failure in Chief with the Audacity of Dope.....)
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To: guitarplayer1953
A "riffle" is what you do with a deck of cards. A rifle is a long gun designed to fire solid rounds.

I have heard that a pump action shotgun, with the shortest legal barrel, is a good choice. The sound of the pump action chambering a round will generally make it unnecessary to actually shoot someone.

To learn to use it effectively, I suggest trap shooting. Even if you have very little talent for it, you should learn to hit a clay pigeon in flight, from 30 yards away, about half the time. If you can do that, it will be virtually impossible for you to miss a person size target inside your house.

A "security" shotgun is not designed to give you the best scores in trap, but your goal should be to get good with the security gun.

A shotgun has an additional safety feature. The BBs cannot go through walls to kill your neighbor, but bullets can very easily do that.

40 posted on 03/23/2009 8:39:11 PM PDT by 3niner (Hoover turned a recession into a depression, FDR turned it into The Great Depression)
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To: Desron13
Hmm.. pistol grip, folding stock. Sounds like an assault weapon to me.

/ HUGE sarc now off.

41 posted on 03/23/2009 8:39:35 PM PDT by LimaLimaMikeFoxtrot ("If you don't have my army supplied, and keep it supplied, we'll eat your mules up, sir"-Gen.Sherman)
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To: MNJohnnie
I agree.
And, in the event of “Mad Max and Thunder dome” or complete melt down of society, I will keep a hack saw close by.

A sawed off shot gun is a perfect urban weapon.

I would like an M-16, but the rounds simply travel too far, and I do not think I will be out on the hunt, just yet, for hostiles.

42 posted on 03/23/2009 8:41:27 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: MNJohnnie

Remington 870 Home Defense model.


43 posted on 03/23/2009 8:41:53 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember (When the past no longer illuminates the future, the spirit walks in darkness.)
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To: Kansas58

The beauty of the saiga 12 is that you can shorten the barrel without sacrificing magazine capacity.


44 posted on 03/23/2009 8:42:45 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: Billthedrill

Sound advice there on all those.


45 posted on 03/23/2009 8:42:57 PM PDT by LimaLimaMikeFoxtrot ("If you don't have my army supplied, and keep it supplied, we'll eat your mules up, sir"-Gen.Sherman)
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To: yorkie

Just got my $30 rebate from S&W for this gun. Nice.


46 posted on 03/23/2009 8:43:14 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s........you weren't really there)
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To: guitarplayer1953
Nothing beats a 12 guage shotgun loaded with 00 magnum buckshot, doesn't matter what make or model. 00 buckshot is 9 pellets, all the same size as a .38 caliber handgun bullet, coming out at the same time! Devastating effect at close range! I don't know what you plan on hunting for to choose a rifle.
47 posted on 03/23/2009 8:45:12 PM PDT by mrsalty
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To: PzLdr
Hunting: Depends on what you hunt, and where you hunt it [In a lot of New York, you can only hunt deer w/ a shotgun].

Hows that work out for you do you have to buy special shot to shoot a deer?

48 posted on 03/23/2009 8:47:34 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Psalm 83:1-8 is on the horizon.)
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To: guitarplayer1953

Unless you are pretty experienced and practice on a regular basis, go with a revolver. No jamming. No screwups in a sudden, high stress situation.

I have a S&W airlight 38. My daughter can do a hand sized spread at 60 ft with one. More than accurate enough.

Whatever you do, train with it. And get some guidance from an experienced shooter.


49 posted on 03/23/2009 8:48:57 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s........you weren't really there)
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To: guitarplayer1953

Smith&Wesson 357 Magnum. I love mine!!


50 posted on 03/23/2009 8:52:03 PM PDT by Empireoftheatom48 (Zero will never be my President, never!!!!!)
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