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Good-bye [if I can't post my 9/11 troofer garbage to FR, I'm leaving]
self ^ | June 25, 2009 | ThePythonicCow

Posted on 06/25/2009 12:41:23 AM PDT by ThePythonicCow

Good-bye.

A few months ago, I posted some information on bank financial strength. The post was a complex table and it took me sometime to make the post. Not long after, I forget but perhaps 10 or 20 minutes, the post disappeared. Figuring I made a mistake, I posted it again. This time I was pretty sure I posted it correctly. It disappeared within a few minutes. To verify that this was what was happening, I posted a third time. It again disappeared immediately.

I never received any feedback from FreeRepublic on this matter.

It annoyed me, but since I have always trusted FR, and since I have so far as I know maintained a sterling reputation here as a well behaved citizen for the eight or ten years I've been here, I shook my head in confusion and forgot that incident.

Just tonight I posted a more controversial post involving 9/11. It disappeared within minutes (after I had verified that the post succeeded).

Again, no notice public or private, before or after the fact. Just poof.

Good-bye.

I will cancel future monthly FR donations and leave. I cannot support a political discussion and news site which makes seriously intended posts by long standing contributors of good standing just disappear without notice, public or private, before or after.

The SanityIsland.us site, with some Daily Dose images, will remain around likely for one year, then go away without further notice. I may be reached via email at pj@usa.net (yes, I have excellent spam filters.)

Sites have a right to do as they please, but also a responsibility to stand up for the actions they take, at least involving participants acting in good faith. FR apparently is failing to honor this responsibility.

I would ask that in the future removals of posts made in good faith by members in good standing at least be recognized in private messages to the poster after the fact, stating the approximate cause for removal. Even a 'boilerplate' explanation would be better than nothing.

I wish this fine community and the good people here well. This nation is in dire need of honest reporting and discussion.



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1 posted on 06/25/2009 12:41:23 AM PDT by ThePythonicCow
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To: ThePythonicCow

Where was the article from? Maybe it was from a URL that was not allowed.


2 posted on 06/25/2009 12:43:38 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (I am not surprised by what Obama is and to more than a little extent we do have Bush to blame.)
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To: ThePythonicCow

2:41AM

Not exactly a high traffic time for FR.

I, for one, am not happy to see you go. There seem to be fewer and fewer readily-recognized handles left these days.


3 posted on 06/25/2009 12:44:45 AM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com <----go there now,----> tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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To: ThePythonicCow

This is all news to me. Anyone know anything?


4 posted on 06/25/2009 12:45:34 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
From silviacattori.net.

If that is a URL that is not allowed, that is understandable. It is not a conservative web site by any stretch. Indeed, my post itself was one I realized might not be acceptable at FR, and I warned in the body of my post that readers should be skeptical.

I do not have any particular beef with the removal itself.

The complete lack of feedback as to the removal of the post, after it had been successfully posted is not something I condone. I believe my post was actually replied to once, as I saw my New posts to you indicator light up a few minutes after posting, but then that new post, and my post, were gone.

If it was a "bad" URL, FR should say so.

5 posted on 06/25/2009 12:52:37 AM PDT by ThePythonicCow (Mooo !!)
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To: Arthur McGowan
I saw it. The reason given for it being pulled was (IIRC), "pure garbage". And it was. It was 9/11 troofer crap in the extreme.

If you want to see for yourself google: 9/11 FEMA videographer at Ground Zero goes public

6 posted on 06/25/2009 12:53:00 AM PDT by MARTIAL MONK
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To: ThePythonicCow

poof might be the problem...


7 posted on 06/25/2009 12:53:24 AM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: GeronL
Thanks. I'll miss FreeRepublic as well.

Hmmm ... guess I'd better remove my FreeRepublic.com bumper sticker as well. Yes, I have one.

8 posted on 06/25/2009 12:54:13 AM PDT by ThePythonicCow (Mooo !!)
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To: GeronL
I, for one, am not happy to see you go. There seem to be fewer and fewer readily-recognized handles left these days.

Agreed.

9 posted on 06/25/2009 12:54:56 AM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: ThePythonicCow
Before saying "Good-bye", I'd sleep on it.

Your posting problems are probably just a bug.


10 posted on 06/25/2009 12:57:23 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: MARTIAL MONK
I will not dispute the reason. I disagree, but it is ok by me that FR has different views on this matter.

But you shoulda told me. You can be blunt, you can do so after the fact, without further discussion or recourse. Just a private message saying "pulled - garbage" would have been sufficient.

11 posted on 06/25/2009 12:58:49 AM PDT by ThePythonicCow (Mooo !!)
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To: ThePythonicCow

I am not a mod. I happened to click on it and it was already pulled with the reason stated. I was curious so I googled the title. You have been here long enough that you should know that that kind of crap is not allowed.


12 posted on 06/25/2009 1:02:37 AM PDT by MARTIAL MONK
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
"Where was the article from? Maybe it was from a URL that was not allowed."

If that were the case, a message would have appeared just after he hit the "post" button, saying that this website does not permit it's contents to be disseminated on FR or any place without previous permission from them. At other times, FR will refuse to post articles from certain websites they deem unreliable.

13 posted on 06/25/2009 1:06:05 AM PDT by Iam1ru1-2 (Because they didn't want to receive the truth,.God gave them over to a depraved mind.)
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To: ThePythonicCow

Hello—I must be going....


14 posted on 06/25/2009 1:06:08 AM PDT by period end of story (Give me a firm spot, and I will move the world.)
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To: ThePythonicCow

You’ve not had any threads pulled this eve that I can find.

Please advise as to what the thread title was, then I will find any record of it being pulled, who pulled it and why.


15 posted on 06/25/2009 1:07:58 AM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: MARTIAL MONK
Ah - ok - that makes sense.

I got crosswise with FR for two reasons on this matter. I was already annoyed at the triple silent removal of that earlier bank rating post a few months ago.

And my views on 9/11 have diverged from FR. Which may be another good reason why it is time the FR and I went our separate ways. That I no longer instinctively found the article to be garbage is a good clue that I have diverged from the direction of this forum.

16 posted on 06/25/2009 1:08:20 AM PDT by ThePythonicCow (Mooo !!)
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To: ThePythonicCow

Can you give the URL to the article that was not permitted to be posted on FR?


17 posted on 06/25/2009 1:08:29 AM PDT by Iam1ru1-2 (Because they didn't want to receive the truth,.God gave them over to a depraved mind.)
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To: ThePythonicCow
But [the mods] shoulda told me.

Did you FReeper-mail the mods to ask why?

18 posted on 06/25/2009 1:08:42 AM PDT by Redcloak ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: ThePythonicCow

Sleep on it. Come back fighting liberals after you’ve gotten some rest.


19 posted on 06/25/2009 1:09:21 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (Stop meddling in the affairs of countries and individuals Obama!)
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To: Admin Moderator

And so it begins.


20 posted on 06/25/2009 1:09:29 AM PDT by period end of story (Give me a firm spot, and I will move the world.)
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To: Admin Moderator
Thank-you for inquiring.

The title (thanks MARTIAL MONK for capturing it) was "9/11 FEMA videographer at Ground Zero goes public". The site was silviacattori.net.

21 posted on 06/25/2009 1:11:16 AM PDT by ThePythonicCow (Mooo !!)
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To: Redcloak
I have a vague recollection that I did so the first time this happened, with the other bank rating post.

But my request stands. The mods should at a minimum send out a canned private message when a member in good standing has a thread pulled, so that the user knows it was a deliberate pull, not a computer glitch or even a failure to even complete the post correctly.

22 posted on 06/25/2009 1:14:13 AM PDT by ThePythonicCow (Mooo !!)
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To: Admin Moderator
9/11 FEMA videographer at Ground Zero goes public

It would have been right around midnight (mountain) because it was first in my IE history for today.

23 posted on 06/25/2009 1:14:22 AM PDT by MARTIAL MONK
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To: ThePythonicCow

It does seem like an odd circumstance. Perhaps the Mod was being cranky?

One of the best things about FR is the willingness to allow discussion of various viewpoints. Those who want to enforce orthodoxy beyond the unalterable conservative values are actually the problem with conservatism, not the solution.

As John Locke - one of the core conservative philosophers - was clear to point out, ideas both good and bad should be debated. If an idea is truly bad, the debate will expose it. If it is surpressed it will be impossible to rebut in a manner that will be convincing. It is a basic first amendmant tenant.

Those who wish to stifle debate are America’s Taliban on the left and right with the same tactics and same goals.


24 posted on 06/25/2009 1:16:14 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (I am not surprised by what Obama is and to more than a little extent we do have Bush to blame.)
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To: ThePythonicCow

I really wish you would stay.


25 posted on 06/25/2009 1:16:45 AM PDT by Allegra ( Iran Azadi!)
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To: ThePythonicCow
it takes elephant skin to survive on an internet message board.

cowhide may not be tough enough but you dont really have to go. After all, if you have fun here, maybe it has something to do with the editing (which is the very reason why you want to go)

I kinda like it, it adds to the drama.

26 posted on 06/25/2009 1:16:55 AM PDT by KTM rider
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To: MARTIAL MONK

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2278968/posts


27 posted on 06/25/2009 1:17:46 AM PDT by icwhatudo (For every clinic bombed or burned, 17 to 18 churches are burned down. MSM? MSM?)
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To: icwhatudo

Dat’s it. Dat’s what I saw.


28 posted on 06/25/2009 1:19:33 AM PDT by MARTIAL MONK
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To: ThePythonicCow
This nation is in dire need of honest reporting and discussion.

This nation World is in dire need of honest reporting and discussion.

Your issues with Free Republic excepted (as I have no knowledge of the facts involved) actions like this are understandable, as the destroyers of freedom have ensured the oppression of free speech by fear placed on the individual through their own legal system.
One mustn't blame the people responsible for one's comments, as they ultimately will endure the ramifications of it, should it fall foul of corrupt and unfair 'Free Speech' Legalese terminology.

I urge you PC to not succumb to the pressures of their system, as this plays directly into their hands.
They got their oppressive system installed thus far by small, sometimes tiny, progressive steps, and freedom seeking people must start to do the same, if they place a block in front of us, we must navigate strategically round it, not bounce back off it.


Nikita Kruschev called the strategy half a century ago:

"We cannot expect the Americans to jump from capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving Americans small doses of socialism until they suddenly awake to find they have Communism."

“I can prophecy that your grandchildren in America will live under socialism.
Our firm conviction is that sooner or later Capitalism will give way to Socialism. Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will bury you."

“The United States will eventually fly the Communist red flag. The American people will hoist it themselves.”

Nikita Krushchev, July 19, 1962


Why not email Admin and ask why they deleted your post? It may be simple terminology on your part that put the site in dubious legal territory.

Freedom seeking people the World over are becoming the minority at an alarming rate, and places like FR are dwindling too.
I'm British, and I don't agree with many, many things I read on FR, some of it I find offensive, but with that in mind, I still think that FR is a good place to communicate, even with people I sometimes simply don't agree with.

I hope you reconsider, greetings from Yorkshire BTW.
29 posted on 06/25/2009 1:19:33 AM PDT by bethybabes69 (Between you, and whatever you call God, there is no authority, only an illusion of it.)
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To: ThePythonicCow
would ask that in the future removals of posts made in good faith by members in good standing at least be recognized in private messages to the poster after the fact, stating the approximate cause for removal.

Sounds reasonable, but I don't know how much additional work that would entail for the mods.

This reminds me of the Bill Cosby joke about how parents are not interested in justice, they just want quiet. Sounds like that is the philosophy of some mods, too.

I hope you change your mind.

30 posted on 06/25/2009 1:22:24 AM PDT by TChad
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

Well said.

But even given that, any veteran here will tell you there are certain subjects/opinions that do not get a good welcome here.

I know for a fact that not all FReepers agree with the official conclusions about 9/11. There are some questions that need asking.

But it is totally up to Jim and the staff whether this is the place to ask them. I can definitely understand not wanting to turn this place in to a 9/11 debating site.


31 posted on 06/25/2009 1:22:40 AM PDT by djf (Go tell everybody its calm before the storm Can you hear the distant thunder baby....)
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To: KTM rider
Quite so. The editing and fine work by the mods is critical to the success of a forum, especially one touching on so many hot button issues and with such a high profile as the FreeRepublic.

But forum admins should take responsibility for their actions. They don't have to debate them or put them up for votes or even engage in public discussion of particular details.

But silently nuking a message from a user who has over 7000 prior posts over almost nine years, all taken without such problems, is unhealthy for a forum.

32 posted on 06/25/2009 1:23:29 AM PDT by ThePythonicCow (Mooo !!)
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To: ThePythonicCow

Hopefully everyone can clear this up. Don’t need to lose a long time member like yourself.

Keep posting, many will keep reading.


33 posted on 06/25/2009 1:24:09 AM PDT by VicVega (Join Jihad, get captured by the US and resettled in the best places in the world. I love the USA)
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To: ThePythonicCow
I read up for a few minutes and it sounds like Hogwash to me too

not even good hogwash, and I am usually amused by good hogwash and slick conspiracy theories, but this one is pretty weak

34 posted on 06/25/2009 1:25:52 AM PDT by KTM rider
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To: TChad
John should be able to automate it.

As MARTIAL MONK reported above, if you managed to find an old link to the now dead post and clicked on that link, you get a message stating it was pulled, and (usually) a word or two stating why.

If that message had also been automatically privately messaged to me, as the thread poster, I would have been a happier camper.

35 posted on 06/25/2009 1:29:23 AM PDT by ThePythonicCow (Mooo !!)
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To: ThePythonicCow
And my views on 9/11 have diverged from FR

And those are?

36 posted on 06/25/2009 1:30:33 AM PDT by whatisthetruth
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To: KTM rider

I read it a few days ago. A few interesting tidbits but no real smoking gun.


37 posted on 06/25/2009 1:31:14 AM PDT by djf (Go tell everybody its calm before the storm Can you hear the distant thunder baby....)
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To: djf
That's fine. As I said above, I don't dispute the thread being yanked.

I have been away from FreeRepublic more this last year, and had drifted away from the FR position on 9/11 further than I realized. A "post pulled - garbage" message would have been sufficient reminder to me that I was outside what FR chooses to accept.

38 posted on 06/25/2009 1:32:54 AM PDT by ThePythonicCow (Mooo !!)
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To: ThePythonicCow
There was a time when it was three strikes and you're out/ZOT. You're lucky you're still here to give a farewell.

See ya . . . er . . .

no yitbos

39 posted on 06/25/2009 1:33:19 AM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds.")
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To: whatisthetruth
I am some species of 9/11 truther. Up until the last two or three years, I was well aligned with the FR position on this matter.
40 posted on 06/25/2009 1:34:58 AM PDT by ThePythonicCow (Mooo !!)
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To: icwhatudo

So the Moderator did give a reason on that page (which will remain on the web forever).


41 posted on 06/25/2009 1:35:11 AM PDT by deks
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To: ThePythonicCow
OK - went back through the records and found it. There were two reported complaints by other freepers asking that the tread be pull because it contained "9/11 truther BS." On inspection moderators agreed and the thread was pulled.

The reason a thread is pulled is usually posted at the top of the thread when the the thread is reopened.

The decision of the moderator was agreed to by several others who looked at the content at the time.

Sorry that you are considering leaving. I'd say that you owe yourself the opportunity to communicate with the mods... it is easy you know - and learn why users and mods here have little tolerance for those that spin lies about what happened on 9/11.

NOTE - I personally did not review the post, but I have implicit trust in the people who did.

42 posted on 06/25/2009 1:35:55 AM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

Good read. We don’t need to be the taliban on this site.


43 posted on 06/25/2009 1:37:19 AM PDT by VicVega (Join Jihad, get captured by the US and resettled in the best places in the world. I love the USA)
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To: bruinbirdman
Well, I still don't see terribly anything wrong with that earlier bankrate post that got killed three times quickly a few months ago. You can still see it at http://sanityisland.us/bank_texas_ratios.html.

So by my counting, this post tonight is my first and only strike in 7000 turns at bat, not to mention other forms of substantial contribution to FR fund drives and the Daily Dose column. If that had gotten an immediate ZOT, then that's not good in my view at all.

44 posted on 06/25/2009 1:40:04 AM PDT by ThePythonicCow (Mooo !!)
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To: VicVega
We don’t need to be the taliban on this site.

Speak for yourself.

45 posted on 06/25/2009 1:40:12 AM PDT by period end of story (Give me a firm spot, and I will move the world.)
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To: ThePythonicCow

Please post it again.


46 posted on 06/25/2009 1:41:16 AM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy ("It does no good to be a super power if you have to worry what the neighbors think." BuffaloJack)
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To: KTM rider

Me too. Pure BS.

The guy is fighting extradition from Argentina for killing his wife. He is using his photo work for FEMA at the 9-11 site to say the government is out to get him.

The other problem may have been the article title stated “9/11 FEMA videographer at Ground Zero goes public”.

He did not just go public....he was spouting this exact nonsense 2 years ago according to this article:
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_5555425,00.html


47 posted on 06/25/2009 1:42:13 AM PDT by icwhatudo (For every clinic bombed or burned, 17 to 18 churches are burned down. MSM? MSM?)
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To: ThePythonicCow

1/7,000?

You’re batting nearly 1,000%.

You must be using a corked bat.


48 posted on 06/25/2009 1:42:33 AM PDT by period end of story (Give me a firm spot, and I will move the world.)
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To: ThePythonicCow
Hi, Cow.

What about that earlier bank-info table you put up? Was it sourced? Linked? Explained?

If it were put up during a time when people were understandably nervous about bank runs, and there were no sourcing, then perhaps a mod got antsy about it, since in later discussion it would always be attributed to "Free Republic".

Get with the Mod about that earlier table and see if he can run down what happened to that, too, since it was obviously a real issue for you, both the subject matter (since you did some work on it) and the handling of it by the mods.

Stick around a bit, Cow, and let the Mods run down the story on your two pulled posts.

Good to see you again, hope you can stick around.

49 posted on 06/25/2009 1:42:36 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: period end of story

Read 24 lil hitler.


50 posted on 06/25/2009 1:42:59 AM PDT by VicVega (Join Jihad, get captured by the US and resettled in the best places in the world. I love the USA)
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