Posted on 08/02/2009 1:35:53 AM PDT by rxsid
Edited on 08/06/2009 12:10:02 AM PDT by John Robinson. [history]
“Zero declared an inheritance of shares on a tax return which a copy of was posted on some White-House website. There’s no indication who that inheritance came from. That is was from Madelyn Dunham is an assumption. It’s simply a delaration of income.”
The above statement is false.
As a retired CPA, I can assure you that the inheritance was from Madelyn Dunham. If you go to the Bank of Hawaii stock price history and put in the date of Madelyn’s death, 11/02/08, you will get the same “cost or other basis” value in column (e) of Long-Term Capital Gains and Losses section of Schedule D for the number of shares Barry says he inherited in 2009. The cost basis of inherited shares is the value at the date of death.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/president-obama-2010-complete-return.pdf
In other words, the exact value of the cost “basis” of the Bank of Hawaii shares Barry sold in January 2009 matches an inheritance of those shares from a death on 11/02/08.
Now it just might be that a different person died on the same day as Madelyn and left Barry $500,000 in Bank of Hawaii shares, but I doubt it!
hello- was wondering if there is anyway to retrieve Madelyn and stanley armour dunhams early tax records to see the number of dependents listed— I remember Fred posted a tax record of stanley ann showing only maya as the dependent child.. I think Madlyns tax records would open new doors
Oops....apologies.
http://www.jfklfoundation.org/Asset-Viewer/Archives/JFKWHP-AR6536-A.aspx
The correct date is 4/24/1961.
That page you pasted within the comment I’m responding to: My head’s about ready to explode, too. How many different hands had a “hand” in writing that document? The various formats for dates are enough to make me run for the duct tape. “Let’s print. No, let’s write in cursive.” WTH?
“Barack obama #2 not listed as a dependent- ‘only Maya’”
Correct, as would be totally appropriate if the Dunhams were claiming Barry as their dependent on their joint return because Barry was living with them and they were providing more than 10% of his room and board, thus qualifying as a dependent is defined in the IRS regulations.
This has NOTHING to due with Ann losing CUSTODY or the Dunhams or someone else gaining custody (as some have erroneously claimed (absent a court order of which there is no evidence). It is simply a matter of who is claiming Barry as a dependent in that year, which can only be done on one return, not two.
What happened in December of 1971 in terms of CUSTODY?
There is a custody question. No one wants to deal with it. But it is very real. No way Obama is in legal custody of SAD or BHO Sr. after December of 1971. They are both foreign citizens living and domiciled in foreign countries.
So who is the legal guardian as of January 1972?
No one wants to answer that sticky question, do they?
In the middle of the immigration dispute in 1967, the State Department file contains a request by some Regional Commissioner in San Pedro, California:
"There is nothing in the file to document the status of the spouse’s son. Please inquire into his citizenship and resident status and determine whether or not he is the applicant’s child… who may suffer exceptional hardship within the meaning of section 212 (e)."
Few days later a person by the name W. L. Mix produced the following memorandum:
Is there a way to retrieve stanley armours and madelyn dunhams tax records of the years, 1943 thru 1960? or anything in between those dates to see the number of dependents listed on there tax returns? Thx
I suppose that a FOIA request could get the Dunhams 1973 tax return. It is not something that I personally am motivated to do.
If the Dunhams claimed Barry as a dependent because he was living with them and/or they were providing over 50% of his support and his mother was not claiming him, it would still not prove who had legal custody of him or what his nationalities he had. Claiming a person as a dependent has nothing to do with custody or nationality.
That’s where the dunham tax returns would come in; if they had 0 as a dependent then they would have custody.
And a FOIA of the dunham passport/travel would also come in handy here.
The simplest answer may be (and I say MAY) is that the dunhams were notified by SADO and Lolo that they wanted the kid to be in Hawaii and then one of the grandparents (or both ) went to Indonesia and brought the kid back with them.
Simple and no convoluted constructions.
The reason i asked about those dates was because of the “anna” theory on post 11076- to see if another dependent would be listed other than stanley ann
“No way Obama is in legal custody of SAD or BHO Sr. after December of 1971. They are both foreign citizens living and domiciled in foreign countries.”
I do not agree. I see no evidence that Stanley Ann ever lost custody of Barry or any reason why she would. Dual (triple?) citizen children went back and forth between countries a lot without the parents being forced to change custody, it seems.
Something related to custody and/or nationality likely happened in December 1971, but it has been deliberately withheld from public scrutiny.
My best guess now is that it has to do with Senior bringing to Hawaii the paperwork to formally register Barry as a citizen of the relatively newly independent country of Kenya. This would not remove his US citizenship or possible prior Indonesian citizenship, but formalize his additional available Kenyan citizenship, something that Sr. may not have done for his American while he was carrying on with Ruth Baker.
He had broken up with her by December 1971, IIRC. Ruth was raising her sons Jewish and the sons took the name of her new husband, Ndesand, so perhaps the extremely egotistical and status conscious BHO Sr. decided to get interested in BHO II.
Link with info on claiming dependents and custody. Also citizenship.
Hope this helps sort things out.
He arrived in Hawaii in the summer of the grade five school year which we take to be 1971, the teacher was Mable Hefty and this lady remembers:
“...When I first met Barry, when he showed up I think it was the summer before fifth grade, he was hanging out at the tennis courts. And at the time that was the very Wimbledon-like, where everyone had to wear white clothes and white tennis shoes. Very careful about the soles of the shoes because you didn’t want to scuff up the courts, mark them up.
So yeah, I can picture him as this slightly — “chubby” is too strong, but rounded, short little guy, Barry Obama. And he told us that his father was an Indonesian king and that he was a prince, and after he finished school he was going to go back, and he would be a ruler in Indonesia. And I absolutely believed him.
I understand that he told his fifth-grade class that he was Kenyan royalty, but I never heard that story until years later. My sister and I remember very clearly that he was an Indonesian prince and that he would be going back there. So there was some reference to where he had come from, and the understanding was his family was there.
(Obviously this account doesn’t include the period he spent attending Noelani School in grade three at Christmas 1969, when he was photographed with Scott Inoue)
You want simple answers? I can think of one. There were two of them. Twins. One was going to rule Kenya, the other was going to rule Indonesia. One is now in the White House, the other was killed in a motor cycle accident. Don’t quote me, I’m finding it difficult to be serious.
“I believe Virginia Goeldner really believes anna died in 1970- that would suggest stanley ann had a sister named anna..”
I certainly to not believe that.
IIRC recently Goeldner backtracked or didn’t support that newspaper article account of what she supposedly said or believed when asked.
In any case, a stray hearsay comment from one source cannot stand against the pile of cross-corroborating contemporaneous evidence that there was only ONE Stanley Ann Dunham who was Barry’s biological mom and who was very much alive until 1995.
Well, its pretty much all theories until more docs show up- Zero has had 4 + years to bury the truth, so it will be hard to find.. Pulling Madelyn’s and others tax docs might bring some things to light.. There are so many theories, that its hard to keep up with.. I enjoy discussing it, but we just need more information and solid facts on the subject..
“The Member of Household or Relationship Test
“Did the child you wish to claim as an exemption live with your for the entire year as a member of your household, other than during temporary absences by either of you due to illness, education, business, vacations, or military service?
“Yes _____ No _____
“Is the child related to you by birth or adoption?
“Yes _____ No _____
“If you answered yes to either or both of these questions, move on to the next test. If you answered no to both questions, stop here. You are not entitled to claim the child as a dependent/exemption.
“The Citizenship or Residency Test
“Was the child a U.S. citizen or resident, or a resident of Canada or Mexico, for some part of the tax year?”
Yes _____ No _____
“If you answered yes to this question, move on to the next test. If you answered no, stop here. You are not entitled to claim the child as a dependent/exemption.”
I haven’t looked at the exact 1973 language, but the current language above includes both citizen AND RESIDENT children and custody is NOT required.
The Dunhams could claim Barry as a member of household, related by birth and at a minimum a legal resident of the US by virtue of being enrolled in Punahou and residing with his grandparents who were providing more than 50% of his support. Being a citizen is not required now and I doubt it was required in 1973.
Btw, Ruth Beatrice Baker married Simeon Ndesandjo in Kenya, Mark appears to have indicated in an article that his parents separated when he was eight years old. He was born in 1965, the year after Ruth arrived in Kenya and married the kenyan on Christmas Eve 1964.
That would suggest they were still a couple in 1973. That's two years after the kenyan showed up for his Hawaii 'visit'
thanks fred- yeah, i remember the shirley postings way back— i remembered the (2) differ social security numbers of anna and ann dunham- i remembered the media everyday telling the public over and over (everyday in 08) that madelyn only had 1 child - and that really got my attention, but i wont post anymore about it, or on the subject.. BTW- nice find fred, awesome
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